Hey Mr. Waudo, I weren't aware of this stakeholders meeting. Looking at the excitement generated with the regulations coming into effect, it looks like there weren't any in the first place. Or perhaps, a 'consensus' weren't achieved. Or maybe one or more of the parties is not being forthright... Which is which..? Harry -----Original Message----- From: waudo siganga [mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 11:10 AM To: Harry Delano Cc: 'ke-users'; 'Angela Nganga- Mumo'; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: {Disarmed} Re: CCK vsSafaricom?- and now Safcom vs the Rest? Hi Delano - is the meeting you are asking the Government to convene different from the one that was held some months back at the KSMS to discuss these regulations with stakeholders? These regulations were amongst those published by the CCK in September last year and they were available since then on CCK website etc. They received discussion on this list in September 2009 and in January there was also list discussion focussing on the media. I am just wondering what difference a second meeting for stakeholders would make. Waudo On Thu, 06 May 2010 09:29 +0300, "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote:
So that we do not start taking divergent positions, I suggest the need for Govt to sit down with all these players, and as a 'Referee' in the room, proceed to explain in non-ambiguity terms what this policy is designed to achieve moving forward.
More precisely, the benefits accruing to grow this huge market - with the customer at the heart of it.
Harry
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of McTim Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 8:15 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; ke-users; Angela Nganga- Mumo Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Re: {Disarmed} Re: CCK vsSafaricom?- and now Safcom vs the Rest?
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is great Angela. I really need to know why the 'big boy' is suddenly crying foul.
Let's re-examine our assumptions of who the "Big Boy" in the Kenyan Telecommunications market is.
The GoK owns a huge minority shareholding in Telkom.Orange (and may in future own a majority share). When Orange makes a profit, so do its owners.
The GoK owns a huge minority shareholding in Safaricom. When SafCom makes a profit, so do its owners.
The GoK collects a tremendous amount of VAT and other taxes from the telecoms market players.
The GoK collects a tremendous amount of license fees and frequencies fees from the telecoms market players.
The GoK sets policy via the CCK and the Ministry.
So from my POV, the GoK is the BIG BOY, it seems to me that this is the "elephant in the room" that no one is talking about.
In any case on this specific regulation, I applaud the intent of creating a level playing field. However, I see no monetary "teeth" or enforcement measures (read fines) in this single doc (I have yet to read the others).
My main objection is the 25% rule. My reading of this is that there MUST always be at least one dominant provider. Let me use a poker game analogy to make my point. Before the first hand is dealt, all players will have an equal amount of chips. After the first hand (and subsequent hands) there will (most likely) be a "chip leader" and a "short stack". It is not likely that there will ever be equilibrium in the game (or in the telecoms market).
I would suggest that this clause is not helpful, at least at the 25% value at which the trigger is now set.
No wonder Safaricom is complaining.
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McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel
On 06/05/2010, Carole K <mhariricarole@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you Angela, you are a star! The rest of us can now be informed about this new "unfair" regulation.
CK
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Angela Nganga- Mumo < anganga@orange-tkl.co.ke> wrote:
Dear All,
Please find a PDF copy of the regulations.
Regards,
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Angela Ng'ang'a - Mumo
Head of Corporate Communications
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Orange Fixed Plus : +254 20 2454233
Orange Mobile: +254 772 548 066
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-----Original Message----- From: ke-internetusers-bounces@bdix.net [mailto:ke-internetusers-bounces@bdix.net] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 7:41 PM To: Andrea Bohnstedt Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions; ke-users Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: {Disarmed} Re: [kictanet] CCK vs Safaricom?- and now Safcom vs the Rest?
Will send it tomorrow.
Ndemo.
I'd like to see the text, too. Dr Ndemo, could you or one of your colleagues email round a pdf with the regulations, please? Easier and a bit nicer on the environment than all of us running downtown to buy paper copies.
Thanks, Andrea
On 4 May 2010 09:32, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
the drama continues,
in a louder paid-up advert in today's press Yu, Orange and Zain support the CCK regulations and dispute yesterday's Safcom's complaint. All these without the public (or is it me?) not having copies of what they are arguing about!
Someone told me the copies of this regulations are available at the Government Printers at a small fee. Halloo? Assuming I leave in Lokichoggio, Should i spend two days on the road to come and pickup some hard-copy regulations that should be downloadable?
Sergon, can you help me, where does this leave you with your eGovernment stories?
walu.
--- On *Mon, 5/3/10, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>* wrote:
From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] CCK vs Safaricom? To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, May 3, 2010, 10:55 AM
Just seen a loud complaint from Safcom in today's Daily Nation. They quoted four regulations that have been gazetted and I have searched www.cck.go.ke to get a mouse on them but failed.
Anybody with e-copies on these regulations or specific url can plse update.
walu.
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