On Jul 27, 2016 12:23, "Barrack Otieno via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Hi @ Kelvin,

I think the issue of employees handing over passwords is a factor of
company ICT policies. The motive needs to be scrutinized as well, this
brings in the question of whether the bill is aligned to global best
practices that are used by organizations to develop ICT policies in
addition to Standards such as ISO 27000 series.

Thank you

Regards

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 9:02 PM, Kelvin Kariuki via kictanet
<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Dear Listers,
>
> The bill clearly outlines the unauthorized disclosure of a password as a
> crime, however, it is silent on a situation where an employee 'refuses' to
> hand-over passwords of certain accounts including servers, and web domain
> registrar or claims to have 'forgotten' those passwords, especially in
> situations where they have lost their job . So my questions are:
> 1. Is that a criminal offence?
> 2. Should it be dealt with the company policy or should it be included in
> this bill?
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 8:12 PM, Francis Monyango via kictanet
> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>> On Cyber squatting, I don't see the rationale of it being a criminal
>> offence. It being a civil wrong, maybe yes. But as lawyers say, equity aids
>> the vigilant and not the indolent.
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2016 2:34 PM, "Barrack Otieno via kictanet"
>> <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>>
>>> Many thanks Ali,
>>>
>>> Indeed such things happen when elections are around the corner, i also
>>> think the Computer and Cyber Crimes Bill will become more relevant as
>>> we approach elections, reading the act i cant help but observe that
>>> some of the offenses attract fines for as much as 7 million shillings
>>> are we getting over excited or is this the norm internationally? i
>>> hope other listers have had a change to review the bill.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> On 7/25/16, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
>>> > Barrack and all
>>> >
>>> > To address the issue of uhuru.co.ke in relation to the cyber crime Bill
>>> > 2006.
>>> >
>>> > Let me first address the issue of cybersquatting as opposed to the
>>> > practice
>>> > of selling domains in the Domain After Market.
>>> >
>>> > Cyber-Squatting is best described as the practice of registering names,
>>> > especially well-known company or brand names, as Internet domains, in
>>> > the
>>> > hope of reselling them at a profit. For example:-
>>> >
>>> > Walmart.co.ke
>>> > Carrefour.co.ke
>>> > Yahoo.co.ke (which incidentally I once owned when I didn't know any
>>> > better!
>>> > :-) )
>>> > Google.co.ke (which incidentally was free once not too long ago)
>>> >
>>> > The domain aftermarket is the secondary market for Internet domain
>>> > names
>>> > which a party interested in acquiring a domain that is already
>>> > registered
>>> > bids or negotiates a price to effect the transfer of registration from
>>> > the
>>> > registered holder of that domain name.
>>> > The professional pursuit of speculation in the domain aftermarket is
>>> > known
>>> > as domaining. The domain aftermarket has grown substantially, as an
>>> > increasing number of generic domains names that promise 'marketing
>>> > appeal'
>>> > and 'desirability' are registered by domain warehouses, or resellers.
>>> >
>>> > The domain aftermarket is facilitated by auction houses which provide
>>> > communication methods for buyers and sellers to interact, often
>>> > anonymously,
>>> > to negotiate and close a transaction. They often provide additional
>>> > services, such as financial escrow services and domain parking.
>>> >
>>> > Now let's address the uhuru.co.ke case. This is similar to the Evans
>>> > Kidero
>>> > case sometime back. In that particular case the Good Governor's team
>>> > had the
>>> > good sense to negotiate and acquire the domain that had slipped through
>>> > their fingers.
>>> >
>>> > So is Uhuru a Brand Name or a Generic Name?
>>> >
>>> > A quick look at Google search results indicate that the word Uhuru has
>>> > a
>>> > generic meaning (freedom) and is also a name.
>>> >
>>> > So which one is it? A Brand Name or a Generic one.
>>> >
>>> > Let's do another exercise.
>>> >
>>> > Word. Generic name or brand name for one of the most successful
>>> > computer
>>> > programs ever?
>>> >
>>> > You get the picture..
>>> >
>>> > Does this issue belong in the Cyber-Security bill?
>>> >
>>> > My take:- A resounding NO. Let's apportion the blame where it
>>> > belongs..with
>>> > the guys who should have known better and let such a valuable Generic
>>> > Name
>>> > lapse.
>>> >
>>> > KeNIC are you listening? Seems like some people need 101 lessons on
>>> > Defensive Domain Registration.
>>> >
>>> > And to Corporates out there here's my advise for free:-
>>> >
>>> > Move your domain custodian services from the IT Department to the
>>> > Marketing
>>> > Department.
>>> >
>>> > My two cowrie shells..
>>> >
>>> > Ali Hussein
>>> > Principal
>>> > Hussein & Associates
>>> > +254 0713 601113 / 0770906375
>>> >
>>> > Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>> > Skype: abu-jomo
>>> > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking
>>> > what
>>> > no one else has thought".  ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPad
>>> >
>>> >> On 25 Jul 2016, at 9:45 AM, Barrack Otieno via isoc
>>> >> <isoc@lists.my.co.ke>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Listers,
>>> >>
>>> >> As you prepare your comments, we had an interesting case last week of
>>> >> www.uhuru.co.ke. Apparently the owner of the domain was ready to part
>>> >> with it for a tidy sum of money. There were counterarguments as to
>>> >> whether the domain was a generic name or whether it was a trademark
>>> >> :-)(you know what i mean), it also brought to fore the issue of
>>> >> cybersquatting and whether it is an illegal activity on the dot Ke
>>> >> space. There are those who felt that this is a genuine mode of
>>> >> business akin to speculation in real estate. Was this an offence in
>>> >> light of the Computer and Cybercrimes bill 2016?
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 7/25/16, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> Listers,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> As announced last week, online discussions on the Computer and
>>> >>> Cybercrimes bill 2016 will start today.  The Computer and Cybercrimes
>>> >>> bill can be accessed using the following link
>>> >>> http://www.mygov.go.ke/?p=11234.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Today we focus on part II of the bill which focuses on the offences:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Questions
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 1. Does the section address computer and cyber crime related offenses
>>> >>> in a comprehensive manner and according to International standards ?
>>> >>> 2. If it does not can you point out areas that need to be
>>> >>> incorporated
>>> >>> into the bill?
>>> >>> 3. Are there clauses in this section that will impede the growth of
>>> >>> electronic commerce or affect online citizen participation as seen on
>>> >>> Kenyans on Twitter (KOT) ? If that is the case , how should the same
>>> >>> be phrased?
>>> >>> 4. Do you have any other proposals that can be incorporated into part
>>> >>> 2 to improve it?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> We welcome your feedback on the questions above,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Thank you
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Kelvin and Barrack
>>> >>> --
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>>> >>> +254733206359
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>>> >>
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>
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