From: Wainaina Mungai <wainaina@madeinkenya.org>
To: j.maina@ymail.com
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:35:17 PM
Subject: [kictanet] Fwd: Tandaa - An Honest
Analysis
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From: Robert Alai <
alai.robert@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:04:18 +0300
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis
To: Wainaina Mungai <
wainaina@madeinkenya.org>
Hi all,
As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a
critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers.
I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus
I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses.
Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and
"subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of
subscription by choice rather than forced numbers.
I bet someone else has had the
same experience with Kazi africa, bidii
africa and other lists.
Wainaina. See the reply I gave to Gakuru. Blame your teacher and you have no
use being in KICTANET if you cant even know how to operate simple email
addresses in,lists
Alai
On 11/18/08, Wainaina Mungai <
wainaina@madeinkenya.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a
> critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers.
>
> I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus
> I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses.
>
> Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and
> "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true
reflection of
> subscription by choice rather than forced numbers.
>
> I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii
> africa and other lists.
>
> Wainaina
>
>
> On 11/18/08, Gakuru Alex <
alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Alai,
> >
> > I am somewhat now tempted to start a local content blog focusing on
> > 'opinion influencers' and opinion shapers themselves - informed by the
> > fact that, content is king and awaited 'future online content warfare'
> > arrived a long time ago.
> >
> > So despite excluding my skunkworks presentation from your firing
> > squad, I shall nonetheless shoot back at you;)
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Robert Alai <
alai.robert@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Mirembe
> >>
> >> I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference.
> >>
> >> The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother still
> >> sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we want
> >> local
> >> content we must stilldo it with foreigners'.
> >
> > Paul stated, "Let's realise that Internet is one. How can have 'our
> > Internet' so shielded away for 'outsiders Internet' to the extent that
> > 'our content' is only accessible to us yet somehow we expected to
> > make money from 'outsiders' through 'our Internet'? Maybe we should
> > not use downloaded [even-free] 'foreign' software, 'foreign'
> > computers,
'foreign' concepts, nothing 'foreign' except only localyy
> > made?" That was heavy!
> >
> >>Let me tell you a thing. We
> >> must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of Joe
> >> Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have
> attended
> >> in
> >> which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan. The
> >> fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan
> should
> >> make Mucheru sell Kenya more.
> >
> > Its what all (or at least the majority of) the people in that room
> > were there *actually doing* Give Mucheru a break. (You stand accused
> > of promoting 'foreign content' by using Google mailing lists;)
> >
> >> If you wanted a subscription website, you
> >> should have started with
kenyalaw.org. If you wanted affiliates,
> >>
mamamikes.com has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it lots of
> >> thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign ones
> >> just
> >> as an after-thought.
> >
> > I wish you had asked ICT Board to make a presentation to the audience
> > to articulate you point?
> >
> >> We want the companies to give the local content much thought and they
> can
> >> only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe that
> >> facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are
> engaging
> >> more in
bongo5.com and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They are
> >>
actively loading pics and content and these two websites are really
> coming
> >> up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice things
> >> from them. We should not glorify anything western. We must start
> >> appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good site,
> >>
www.kasarani.com> >
> > Kasarani is your website, right? The conference was not a sales pitch
> > for *anyone* but a conversation exploring various ways to promote
> > local content.
> >
> >> When I started my start forum and blogging thing,
jamiiforums.com, we
> had
> >> lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum which
> >> is
> >> being run by my great friend Maxence, was
going nowhere because
> Tanzanians
> >> don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't think that there
> >> is
> >> any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic.
> >
> > Me, me, me again... Try a bit of our, our, our, country's local content.
> >
> >> There is no forum
> >> in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when issues
> are
> >> being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in Swahili.
> >> We
> >> must focus on being local if we want local content.
> >
> > 'Government' is a strange 3-legged animal Executive, Legislature, and
> > Judiciacy.
> > If one makes this animal 'shake like hell,' that person ought to be in
> > very serious trouble...
> >
> >> NMG bought a script from Germans and
installed it on their site without
> a
> >> forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV, EasyFm
> >> and
> >> QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox are
> >> plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and articles
> in
> >> entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from magazines
> like
> >> cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word.
> >
> > Why so excessive negative energy? There must be something NMG have done
> > right?
> >
> >> The Tandaa website was .com and not .
co.ke. Even if you are not hosting
> >> locally, you could still have had a local domain registration.
> >
> > Had you tried
http://www.tandaa.co.ke/
before the conference? BTW, I
> > host websites abroad many times and I have no problems with it. It can
> > be a business decision why host locally with painfully expensive ISP?
> > Host 'politically incorrect' website at a pro-conformist provider
> > 'anti-telcos' content with one of them.... etc.. It's a matrix of
> > decision making procees..
> >
> >> The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7 speakers
> >> speak for 15 minutes each and then the forum audience is given 10
> minutes
> >> to ask questions and suggestions?
> >
> > The sun waits for no King and time has never been enough.
> >
> >>Do you know that the slides from Capital,
> >> NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco and
> >> others are shown to us almost in every conference we
attend. They have
> >> become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and even
> >> slides which you have never seen is from the public.
> >
> > Would you also be suggesting that new school textbooks be published every
> > year?
> >
> >>Givingg 15 minutes to
> >> each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the
> audience
> >> asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and shows and
> >> attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might
> embarass
> >> the speakers with questions.
> >
> > You just created conveniently suitable circumstances to arrive at your
> > conclusion?
> >
> >> The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags, was ok
> >> but
> >> I think that we can do
alot of improvements by having power cable well
> >> spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to
> rely
> >> on
> >> my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down.
> >
> > Would it not have been fair to mention some of those 'ok' facts. Its
> > called "fair commentating"
> >
> >> We also think that we can have an active network and the best place to
> >> start
> >> is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open
> vbulletin
> >> run forum with CMS managed frontpage like
www.haitiwebs.com and
> >>
www.mustangevolution.com. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont take us
> >> even
> >> a day to have this thing up and
running.
> >
> > Dunno..
> >
> >> Senior members, what do you think?
> >
> > I just have. But allow me to add that *nix users have this thing about
> > multi-thread thought processes which lead me to advice users to format
> > their Windows and install *nix. It makes engagement multi-faceted
> > critique and criticize when necessesary but also appreciate and praise
> > excellent achievement.
> >
> > Tandaa.08 was an excellent event and I wish the ICT board could
> > explain to us who were the brains behind it. They can count on me for
> > their next such conference.
> >
> > Rider:
> >
> > There is a clip one run NTV of an Edloret pharmacist who literary and
> > severally slapped himself on the face upon being visited by Pharmacies
> > and Poisons Board drug
inspectors.
> > Let's not always take the shrtest route to slap every great
> > initiative, erroneously.
> >
> > Also we avoid "local content spam", for example, forced mailing lists
> > subscriptions;)
> >
> > G'day,
> >
>
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