On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Andy G <andy.gesora@gmail.com> wrote:

At times you wonder whether making "noise" is just a matter of being relevant, I highly doubt Cofek represents me as a consumer... Not that i am biased, but on what basis / agreement with the consumer does Cofek portend to be the rep?

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:

Arbitration works where two parties that had an agreement disagree.

In this matter, COFEK has cooked up grievances and created a problem where there wasnt one. How will an arbitrator help? Maybe a psychiatrist is what is needed...

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On Jan 13, 2013 4:40 PM, "Lucy Kimani" <lkimani@yahoo.com> wrote:

Question is Arbitration an option?

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On Jan 13, 2013, at 12:57 AM, bitange@jambo.co.ke wrote:

> Robert,
> We are setting a bad precendence here that most people did not bother to
> ask why the entire world is migrating to Digital. No one seems to
> understand that we are behind schedule already. It took Britain and US
> eight years to fully migrate. Indeed the minimum time you need to fully
> migrate is five years. We have three years remaining before ITU switches
> off. Why does Africa always seek for extensions even where we do not need
> any. India whose per capita income is similar to ours is moving without
> law suits. I am worried about us that even if God were to give us Jesus
> time table of his second coming, we shall see people asking that we get
> extra time. To be a competitive nation we must move with the rest.
>
> This hopeless agenda by cofek will delay our LTE initiatives and make
> Kenya a laggard in matters ICT when we have become the envy of many
> nations.
>
>
> Ndemo.
>
>> Tanzania is definitely a progress nation that will definitely beat us to
>> the industrialization finish line, now you understand why they are
>> avoiding total market integration as this do not want regressive &
>> litigious Kenyans going there to complicate a system in motion
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert Yawe
>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>> Kenya
>>
>>
>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com>
>> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
>> Cc: Kictanet Mail list <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>> Sent: Friday, 11 January 2013, 14:46
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital migration and mass ignorance
>>
>>
>> IN SUMMARY
>> * The five members states had agreed to go digital three years ahead of
>> global schedule to ensure that they have ample time to fix any unforeseen
>> glitches and enable them comply with 2015 global deadline.
>> * However, only Tanzania adhered to the deadline by moving Dar-es-Salaam
>> to the new system.
>> * Policy makers say the move will give Tanzania an advantage in
>> correcting technical hurdles that the country may encounter along the way
>> as it migrates other part of the country.
>>
>>
>> A survey by Xinhua in Tanzania reveals that five out of 20 people they
>> interviewed in Arusha cannot access their favourite free-to- air channels
>> since the dealers of the gadgets mostly pay television providers who are
>> asking for a monthly fee Tsh9000(Sh489).
>> Only five out of 20 people interviewed in Dar es Salaam by Xinhua said
>> they have access to television broadcasts.
>> “We only have useless boxes in our living rooms for we cannot access any
>> stations without a decoder,” George Kaniki of Mbezi Louis, Dar es
>> Salaam, said in an interview.
>> According to a programme by the Tanzania Communications Regulatory
>> Authority (TCRA), regions set to follow in the switch- off will be Dodoma
>> and Tanga, whose analogue signals will be deactivated by the end of this
>> month.
>> http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Dar-offers-hard-lessons-on-switch-to-digital-TV/-/1248928/1661608/-/item/1/-/c7587vz/-/index.html
>>
>> On 11 January 2013 13:26, Henry Maina <henry@article19.org> wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> Find some quick and raw thoughts after the decision of the Court today on
>>> the phased digital switchover.
>>>
>>> ARTICLE 19 believes in the promise of digital switchover but also clearly
>>> understands that we must develop proper measures to mitigate any results
>>> of the transition that may undermine diversity, openness and access.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> HENRY O. MAINA
>>> DIRECTOR
>>> ARTICLE 19 KENYA/EASTERN AFRICA
>>> P O BOX 2653,00100
>>> NAIROBI
>>> TEL:+254 (20) 3862230/2
>>> FAX:+254 (20) 3862231
>>> EMAIL: henry@article19.org
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: kictanet
>>> [kictanet-bounces+henry=article19.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] on behalf of
>>> Stephen Mutoro [smutoro@yahoo.com]
>>> Sent: 19 December 2012 09:20 PM
>>> To: Henry Maina
>>> Cc: Kictanet Mail list
>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital migration and mass ignorance
>>>
>>> Thanks for thinking for consumers in a more broad and realistic spectrum
>>> (including rural proletariats) beyond the minority but noisy middle to
>>> higher income Nairobi CBD/Upper Hill techies who are obsessed about 4+G
>>> when millions of others can't access 2-G. There is nothing like "mass
>>> ignorance" or "mass intelligence" on a matter of human/consumer rights as
>>> ably articulated within Consumer Protection Act, 2012 (which took effect
>>> on December 13).
>>>
>>> Stephen Mutoro
>>> www.cofek.co.ke
>>>
>>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Digital broadcast is great, no doubt about that, and the benefits are
>>>> boundless. But let us not be elitist in the way we conduct the
>>>> exercise.
>>>>
>>>> You can free the airwaves, and create thousands of digital channels
>>>> and jobs, but if I in Kibera and Mathare, I cannot afford to buy a
>>>> setbox in the next year, I will be forced to use by TVbox as a stool.
>>>>
>>>> Let those with money migrate, and let the poor enjoy the poor quality
>>>> analog signal in peace until set boxes are dirt cheap.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, to reach a consensus, give us cheap subsidized
>>>> digital set boxes, say at 500bob, marked GoK, and give us adequate
>>>> time to buy them.
>>>>
>>>> Remember, 2000bob is my dinner for a month.
>>>>
>>>> You switched off my phone, which I bought with hard earned cash, then
>>>> you switch of my TV! Next you will switch of my radio, then ...
>>>>
>>>> On 12/12/2012, bitange@jambo.co.ke <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
>>>>> Listers,
>>>>> Consumer Federation of Kenya (COFEK) has gone to court to stop the
>>>>> planned
>>>>> Digital Switchover in Nairobi at the end of this month. This is most
>>>>> unfortunate considering the fact that the current analogue broadcast
>>>>> has
>>>>> been the most discriminating. Majority of Kenyans have not seen the
>>>>> level
>>>>> of communication that Digital offers (this is what the constitution
>>>>> demands). In the new platform we have seen more vernacular channels
>>>>> delivering news in a language that people understand and relate to.
>>>>> It
>>>>> therefore surprises me when an organization such as COFEK moves to
>>>>> court
>>>>> to protect an elitist broadcast platform.
>>>>>
>>>>> Further every one new channel creates more than thirty new jobs.
>>>>> There
>>>>> are more than one hundred and fifty new applications awaiting
>>>>> clearance to
>>>>> start digital broadcast. Twenty of these are already on air. If we
>>>>> get
>>>>> two hundred new broadcasters, we shall have achieved our quest for
>>>>> having
>>>>> a pluralistic and diversified broadcast environment. In whose
>>>>> interest is
>>>>> COFEK advancing the agenda of maintaining monopolistic practices in
>>>>> Kenyan
>>>>> Media? Does COFEK really understands the seriousness of unemployment
>>>>> in
>>>>> Kenya?
>>>>>
>>>>> The cost of not migrating is far too great than biting the bullet now
>>>>> and
>>>>> enable frequency spectrum to be used in more productive and inclusive
>>>>> manner. The benefits of mobile operators moving from 2G to 3G are
>>>>> glaring. We need to scale up to 4G and create a robust last mile
>>>>> that
>>>>> will reduce the rural urban digital divide; that will create an
>>>>> enabling
>>>>> playing field when we start delivering new local content to schools
>>>>> country-wide.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of the world has migrated and they fully understand why we need
>>>>> to
>>>>> free up spectrum. EAC member states agreed on the December 31st
>>>>> deadline
>>>>> and Tanzania for example has committed itself to this agreed deadline
>>>>> despite not having a completed the national roll-out of the digital
>>>>> signal. In Kenya we have adopted a phased plan starting from Nairobi.
>>>>> Technology changes every six months and Kenya must remain at the
>>>>> technological edge in order to remain the true hub of Africa. We
>>>>> seem to
>>>>> be exercising freedom without any responsibility.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ndemo.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is where we are going wrong, the digital migration has nothing
>>>>>> to do
>>>>>> with digital TV sets its about how the signal will be transmitted,
>>>>>> please
>>>>>> try and see the bigger picture here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When we moved from analogue internet connectivity where you needed a
>>>>>> modem
>>>>>> to the digital transmission where you needed a DTU/ADSL/Dongle why
>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>> you please with the government to stop the importation of Pentium
>>>>>> processor based computers or 14" monitors or AT keyboards so that
>>>>>> users
>>>>>> could transition? If you remember the ISPs never even gave us a
>>>>>> transition period and some never even implemented analogue
>>>>>> connectivity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the same case with the digital TV migration, you do not need
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> digital TV to benefit from the new method of transmission all that
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> changing is the equivalent of your analogue modem with a digital
>>>>>> receiver
>>>>>> and nothing more, also remember that this transition is a world wide
>>>>>> project and it would be foolhardy to try and stop the oncoming train.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As Kenyans, we have proven time and time again that we are resilient
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> innovative, we turned off "fake" phones and on the following day they
>>>>>> where getting reactivated thanks to the power of google, turn off the
>>>>>> analogue signal tomorrow and we shall have 500/- decoders available
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> sale along the streets of Nairobi, keep postponing the switchoff and
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> will be no meaning uptake of the digital devices, have you registered
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> election yet?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All this noise from the entrenched media houses that we are
>>>>>> propagating
>>>>>> has nothing to do with if Kenyans with black and white TVs can afford
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> buy the decoder but more on trying to delay the shift of broadcasting
>>>>>> power to a more open platform, so before you come to the defense of
>>>>>> Linus
>>>>>> and his ilk find out whose agenda you are promoting, instead of
>>>>>> coming
>>>>>> forward and responding to the discussion going on here of which I am
>>>>>> sure
>>>>>> they are listening, they send mercenaries .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr. Ndemo, I again say kudos and tell you keep the course and do what
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> right for the Nation and avoid being distracted by those with selfish
>>>>>> agendas, deliver on this and Konza has a better chance of seeing the
>>>>>> light
>>>>>> of day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert Yawe
>>>>>> KAY System Technologies Ltd
>>>>>> Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>>>>>> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
>>>>>> Kenya
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: meshack emakunat <memakunat@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
>>>>>> Cc: Meshack <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012, 16:48
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital migration and mass ignorance
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear list
>>>>>> I read this thread and all i see is the "the cart before the horse".
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> believe Mr gitahi was referring to affordability rather compatibility
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> adaptability. @Robert, don't you think Kenyans should be given enough
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> to migrate rather than have a paradigm shift in tech use. I think
>>>>>> that we
>>>>>> should ban the importation of analog TV as somebody suggested earlier
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> will have a gradual change till 2015
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