Hi Mutemi,

This conversation is educative, i think we should keep it here. Mercy
and George can shed more light on the issues so that we can all learn
as a Community.

Regards

On 5/6/19, Mutemi wa Kiama via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Dear Ebele & FB team,
>
> Once again thanks for the prompt response.
>
> Am sure Mercy and team are following the conversation though I got a
> vacation/traveling responder from her email. For the benefit of Listers
> here who could be having similar concerns, could we keep the conversation
> here?
>
> I appreciate your response vis a vis difficulty moderating global cultural
> attitudes towards skin, genitalia and nudity as well as need to protect
> children. However, surely the three images I attach here again for your
> benefit do not fit in that mould?
>
> I would really appreciate your advice on what is considered offensive in
> these three images, especially considering someone in my FB Community could
> have reported them. It will also be useful in guiding my own self
> moderation.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Edwin Kiama
>
> Thoughts become things... choose the good ones!
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Social Innovator, Social Justice Entrepreneur, Catalyst, Human Rights
> Defender, Social Accountability Champion, Rhize Coach
>
> #DevolutionIsRevolution Champion
>
> The Wanjiku Agenda Kenya Foundation (WAKenya)
> Ordinary, Fearless Kenyans.
>
> Sauti Ya Wanjiku Social Movement www.sautiyawanjiku.com
>
> https://www.facebook.com/wanjikurevolutionkenya
>
> https://twitter.com/WanjikuRevolt
>
> https://plus.google.com/u/1/+WanjikuMapinduzi/posts
>
> http://www.scribd.com/wmkenya
>
>
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change
> the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." ~Margaret Mead
>
> On Mon, 6 May 2019, 08:53 Ebele Okobi, <ebeleokobi@fb.com> wrote:
>
>> Mercy and George are the right contacts, and you can engage directly,
>> w/out posting your account details to KICTAnet. She will need the link to
>> the specific pieces of content you are addressing, as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mercy and Fadzai can explain in more detail, but it is highly unlikely
>> that most of the content you are describing was removed as a result of
>> algorithms. The most likely scenario is that it was reported by a member
>> of
>> your own Facebook community. It was then reviewed by one of our human
>> reviewers, and if the content was fully frontal nudity, was removed as
>> being against policy. We continue to grapple with how to craft and
>> implement global policies that address the most harm while allowing the
>> most speech. As a result of significant risk related to child
>> exploitation
>> content and consent, our rules currently do not allow for images of
>> children’s genitalia. I am a mother, of African children. I recognize
>> that
>> my cute picture of my son in the bath is not child exploitation content,
>> but unfortunately, at scale it is very difficult to apply a rule that
>> recognizes that nuance, and which would leave up my cute naked African
>> child and take down that same cute African child in an account that, for
>> ex, collects images of those cute naked children w/out the consent of
>> their
>> parents and posts them on a page for the review of less benign viewers.
>> Note that this is not actually an “African” problem (many Danish and
>> French
>> and Bangladeshi and Fijian mothers/cultures also want to post pictures of
>> naked children) , and also note the implications of allowing only African
>> children to be depicted nude on our platforms while taking down pictures
>> of
>> European children.
>>
>>
>>
>> We have often hosted “ask me anything” and similar events discussing our
>> content policies. They are useful for helping to give an understanding of
>> the amount of thought that goes into creating and enforcing. It’s
>> impossible for these global rules to be perfect, and feedback is
>> welcomed,
>> but it’s also most useful with an understanding of the context in which
>> they were created. Mercy would be delighted to explore whether another
>> one
>> for this community would be of interest.
>>
>>
>>
>> In the meantime, these articles are illuminating-there might be a
>> paywall-alas, nothing I can do about that.
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/27/world/facebook-moderators.html
>>
>>
>> https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/inside-the-team-at-facebook-that-dealt-with-the-christchurch-shooting
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best, Ebele
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Mutemi wa Kiama <eddiekiama@gmail.com>
>> *Date: *Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 9:35 AM
>> *To: *Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi@fb.com>
>> *Cc: *Mercy Ndegwa <shikondegwa@fb.com>, George Owuor <gowuor@fb.com>,
>> KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, Fadzai
>> Madzingira <fmadzingira@fb.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: Facebook "Community Standards£.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you Ebele for your quick response. Here is a link to the profile:
>> https://www.facebook.com/MutemiWaKiama
>>
>>
>>
>> Additionally, the FB algorithms also seem no to recognise that some
>> African nudity is not culturally "inappropriate", eg young boys swimming
>> in
>> a river, or the two children I have attached in the original email.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Edwin Kiama
>>
>> Thoughts become things... choose the good ones!
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Social Innovator, Social Justice Entrepreneur, Catalyst, Human Rights
>> Defender, Social Accountability Champion, Rhize Coach
>>
>> #DevolutionIsRevolution Champion
>>
>> The Wanjiku Agenda Kenya Foundation (WAKenya)
>> Ordinary, Fearless Kenyans.
>>
>> Sauti Ya Wanjiku Social Movement www.sautiyawanjiku.com
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.sautiyawanjiku.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=HN9QGITARk6W6QsjdsO0c_5RGVswg_WywLfejq5SFXY&s=6Rvbs65q7oD-9RMFncGgvwbFIyCQebeK_r6vVlmpwaQ&e=>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/wanjikurevolutionkenya
>>
>> https://twitter.com/WanjikuRevolt
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_WanjikuRevolt&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=HN9QGITARk6W6QsjdsO0c_5RGVswg_WywLfejq5SFXY&s=BUDlm7M7BKY3odCeKHo6nghaIXxLWVcFdWKeWKPHfEw&e=>
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/u/1/+WanjikuMapinduzi/posts
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__plus.google.com_u_1_-2BWanjikuMapinduzi_posts&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=HN9QGITARk6W6QsjdsO0c_5RGVswg_WywLfejq5SFXY&s=mcYsYkXxhoCTulZIH9_wUi-NrpACV49-pRAXLk-Ieoc&e=>
>>
>> http://www.scribd.com/wmkenya
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.scribd.com_wmkenya&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=HN9QGITARk6W6QsjdsO0c_5RGVswg_WywLfejq5SFXY&s=oLwjbDMEm25xLKhRehUafznf8tCGJjIDeXOTN6K-4Cg&e=>
>>
>>
>> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can
>> change
>> the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." ~Margaret Mead
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 4 May 2019, 21:33 Ebele Okobi, <ebeleokobi@fb.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you have a question about Facebook, you may always contact us
>> directly.
>> I have cc’ed Mercy Ndegwa (Head of Policy for East Africa) and George
>> Owuor
>> (Policy Manager for East Africa) for follow up.
>>
>> Please send them the link to the account from which content was actionned
>> so that they can escalate. You may need to wait until the work week to
>> hear
>> back, unless this is an emergency involving threat to life or similarly
>> grave circumstances.
>>
>>
>>
>> The relevance of Cambridge Analytica in this context is unclear, but I
>> trust you will discuss in detail with my team.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you so much for bringing this to our attention.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Ebele
>>
>> ebele okobi
>>
>> public policy director | africa, the middle east & turkey
>>
>> facebook inc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 4, 2019, at 7:22 PM, Mutemi wa Kiama <eddiekiama@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> According to Facebook these posts go against "Community Standards"!
>>
>>
>>
>> Why, because they're critical of GoK and it's leadership, advocate for
>> African wokeness, or the kids are in ethnic attire?
>>
>>
>>
>> Whose Community Standards and on what basis? Facebook has taken most of
>> them down today. Could someone please make me understand!
>>
>>
>>
>> Or has Cambridge Analytica taken over Facebook? This is censorship in my
>> book!
>>
>>
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Edwin Kiama
>>
>> Thoughts become things... choose the good ones!
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Social Innovator, Social Justice Entrepreneur, Catalyst, Human Rights
>> Defender, Social Accountability Champion, Rhize Coach
>>
>> #DevolutionIsRevolution Champion
>>
>> The Wanjiku Agenda Kenya Foundation (WAKenya)
>> Ordinary, Fearless Kenyans.
>>
>> Sauti Ya Wanjiku Social Movement www.sautiyawanjiku.com
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.sautiyawanjiku.com&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=_QpWpfV90duPcHpdUxCBEuh5HjMF3I5hGVwwLS68tts&s=odMcGIH3ia-uNBOGqxg_RX38tu1KZlcrpvLTRJTcKjM&e=>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/wanjikurevolutionkenya
>>
>> https://twitter.com/WanjikuRevolt
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__twitter.com_WanjikuRevolt&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=_QpWpfV90duPcHpdUxCBEuh5HjMF3I5hGVwwLS68tts&s=5c6MWN_m6hjmRZcDeokXbB0l660ulF8Sw1F4bdXY_HQ&e=>
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/u/1/+WanjikuMapinduzi/posts
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__plus.google.com_u_1_-2BWanjikuMapinduzi_posts&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=_QpWpfV90duPcHpdUxCBEuh5HjMF3I5hGVwwLS68tts&s=WUg7bvVguOmj2LTmKuGosg_KDR23L5lHKRQC80MYBE4&e=>
>>
>> http://www.scribd.com/wmkenya
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.scribd.com_wmkenya&d=DwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=_QpWpfV90duPcHpdUxCBEuh5HjMF3I5hGVwwLS68tts&s=wZ2Kb-C7HwI2QDXCKJBzo5fGL_Zgs3ZBIHjg6UUuLPE&e=>
>>
>>
>> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can
>> change
>> the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." ~Margaret Mead
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