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   1. Re: KONZA: The failed promise of Kenya?s smart city
      (Barrack Otieno)
   2. Re: KONZA: The failed promise of Kenya?s smart city (John Tanui)


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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 07:35:36 +0300
From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
To: "Kenya's premier ICT Policy engagement platform"
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA: The failed promise of Kenya?s smart
        city
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Dear Ali,

I agree with you. My humble opinion is that Government priorities may have
changed. Engineer Tanui the Konza CEO is on the list and had at one time
invited listers to tour the facility. I think Konza can still be realized.
It will be great to revisit the previous discussion and for Engineer Tanui
to respond to the concerns that have been raised since there seems to be
life at Konza.

Best Regards

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 7:34 am Ali Hussein via KICTANet, <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> GG
>
> Thanks for sharing.
>
> Listers, even the best-laid plans can miss their targets. I'd rather we
> discuss:-
>
> 1. What went wrong.
> 2. What are the lessons to be learned.
> 3. Can the project get back on track?
> 4. Has it gone wrong? How long does it take to build a new city?
>
> Regards
>
> *Ali Hussein*
>
> Digital Transformation
>
>
> Tel: +254 713 601113
>
> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>
> Skype: abu-jomo
>
> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>
>
>
>
> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
> organizations that I work with.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 7:32 PM Grace Githaiga via KICTANet <
> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>>
>> Listers
>> This may be of interest to some here.
>> Rgds
>> Grace
>>
>> Kenya was one of the earliest countries to outsource its dreaming to
>> McKinsey. The entire Vision 2030 strategy was developed by the Kenyan
>> government in conjunction with McKinsey & Company, with Konza being one of
>> many techno-utopian urban renewal projects the firm was involved in. At
>> first, most were undertaken in Asia, then, in the 2000s, the focus shifted
>> to African countries, which were seen as growth markets for big tech and
>> financial corporations.
>>
>> ...the McKinseyfication of government and federal services often means
>> that the mere production of paperwork counts as progress. ...The
>> question then becomes, Who is responsible for the failure of Konza??
>>
>> Read on:
>> https://restofworld.org/2021/the-failed-promise-of-kenyas-smart-city/
>> --
>>
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 08:32:41 +0300
From: John Tanui <tanuijohn@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] KONZA: The failed promise of Kenya?s smart
        city
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Dear Barrack,

Konza Technopolis project is on course, we are making significant progress
especially ensuring that the key pillars for the success are in place.

Our invitation to KICTANET still stands, we consider this community key
stake holders and your partnership, collaboration  and feedback is
important.

You can get the latest information on the project by visiting also our
website and social media platforms including YouTube.

Let me know when you would like to visit us.

Regards

John Tanui

On Wed, 2 Jun 2021 at 07:39, Barrack Otieno via KICTANet <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

> Dear Ali,
>
> I agree with you. My humble opinion is that Government priorities may have
> changed. Engineer Tanui the Konza CEO is on the list and had at one time
> invited listers to tour the facility. I think Konza can still be realized.
> It will be great to revisit the previous discussion and for Engineer Tanui
> to respond to the concerns that have been raised since there seems to be
> life at Konza.
>
> Best Regards
>
> On Wed, 2 Jun 2021, 7:34 am Ali Hussein via KICTANet, <
> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> GG
>>
>> Thanks for sharing.
>>
>> Listers, even the best-laid plans can miss their targets. I'd rather we
>> discuss:-
>>
>> 1. What went wrong.
>> 2. What are the lessons to be learned.
>> 3. Can the project get back on track?
>> 4. Has it gone wrong? How long does it take to build a new city?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> *Ali Hussein*
>>
>> Digital Transformation
>>
>>
>> Tel: +254 713 601113
>>
>> Twitter: @AliHKassim
>>
>> Skype: abu-jomo
>>
>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim
>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely
>> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the
>> organizations that I work with.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 7:32 PM Grace Githaiga via KICTANet <
>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Listers
>>> This may be of interest to some here.
>>> Rgds
>>> Grace
>>>
>>> Kenya was one of the earliest countries to outsource its dreaming to
>>> McKinsey. The entire Vision 2030 strategy was developed by the Kenyan
>>> government in conjunction with McKinsey & Company, with Konza being one of
>>> many techno-utopian urban renewal projects the firm was involved in. At
>>> first, most were undertaken in Asia, then, in the 2000s, the focus shifted
>>> to African countries, which were seen as growth markets for big tech and
>>> financial corporations.
>>>
>>> ...the McKinseyfication of government and federal services often means
>>> that the mere production of paperwork counts as progress. ...The
>>> question then becomes, Who is responsible for the failure of Konza??
>>>
>>> Read on:
>>> https://restofworld.org/2021/the-failed-promise-of-kenyas-smart-city/
>>> --
>>>
>>> Grace Githaiga
>>> KICTANet Convenor
>>>
>>> KICTANet portals
>>> KICTANet.or.ke <https://kictanet.or.ke/> | Twitter
>>> <https://twitter.com/kictanet> | LinkedIn
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>>> interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. KICTANet is a
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>>> Research, and Stakeholder Engagement.
>>>
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>>> KICTANet - The Power of Communities, is Kenya's premier ICT policy
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>>>
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--
Eng. John Tanui

Wise Warriors are mightier than strong ones and those who have knowledge
than those who have strength; for by guidance you can wage your war, and in
abundance of counselors there is victory
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