We don't use algorithms to detect adult nudity (we rely on reporting-and, just FYI, there is under-reporting of violating content across the continent, so we recognize there is much education work to be done), but we, along with many peer companies, use PhotoDNA to proactively detect, remove and report child exploitation imagery. See below for more on PhotoDNA. https://news.microsoft.com/features/microsofts-photodna-protecting-children-... Ebele Okobi | Public Policy Director, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315<tel:+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315> 10 Brock Street | London<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com> [6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B] On Sep 12, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy <ultimateprogramer@gmail.com<mailto:ultimateprogramer@gmail.com>> wrote: I have always had this question lingering in my mind. Algorithms are not by nature designed to delete content (I may be wrong though). Content that gets deleted is normally mostly flagged and reported. Secondly, algorithms are mostly very good with with textual content. To detect nudity (and in that case not verify it and straight away delete it) using an Algorithm requires Augmented Reality that is beyond what computers are allowed to Artificially process (when it comes to deleting content). I know even textual content can get flagged by an algorithm - but an algorithm does not delete a textual content item leave alone an image. Any further insights on these specific questions? On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Actually, and this is what we will discuss-the majority of content take downs rely on human review, not algorithms. We proactively moderate for child exploitation content using a powerful tool developed by Microsoft, but virtually everything else must be flagged by the community, and then reviewed by a human. If you imagine that across the billions of pieces of content posted daily by 1.7 billion users around the world, then layer in context, cultural norms, etc., it's mind boggling. Look forward to getting into this in detail with this group soon. Ebele Okobi | Public Policy Director, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315<tel:+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315> 10 Brock Street | London | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com> [6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B] On Sep 12, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com<mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com>> wrote: To change the title, i would refer to this as the tricky power of the algorithm. +1 Ngigi. Regards On 9/11/16, Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: You have absolutely captured the challenge and the responsibility. Heads up that we are planning to host a conversation in Nairobi, similar to one we hosted in Johannesburg a couple of months ago, about online speech, free expression, censorship, our community standards/reporting policies and what goes into these incredibly complicated decisions. In Jo'burg, we also had Google/YouTube-would be great to replicate that. We find that the community benefits from learning from the people at Facebook/Google making these decisions (and seeing just how much thought goes into them!), and we learn from the community in ways that help us make better decisions. Stay tuned for an invitation in the next month or so! Ebele Okobi | Public Policy Director, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315<tel:+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315> 10 Brock Street | London<x-apple-data-detectors://0/1> | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com<mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com><mailto:ebeleokobi@fb.com> [6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B] On Sep 11, 2016, at 7:22 AM, Waithaka Ngigi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Ali, From a technical PoV, I empathize with FB, Google et.al<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__et.al&d=DQMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=2z_kMMIMlmcDPfp7X7iOd5zlsp_xCbjveKR8MqmAA3c&s=BnCe_s4Fmb7MRgSw24KPQ0UmVCEPoPO2PjsxkVXTEaA&e=>. You have millions or photos, videos being uploaded by the minute and based on their policy, you need to ensure that these digital content meets that criteria. No way human beings can keep up with that, you've got to use algorithms. And considering the no of false positives we get, which is very few, they're quite good then. Then you have the problem of 'Context'.... This is one of the hardest areas in computing to figure out. And inevitably, that's what leads the algorithm to mark that photo as inappropriate because of nudity, since the algorithm didn't have the historical context of that photo. Fast forward to attending the Turkana festival, where a lot of the local women will be topless. Upload those pictures on FB, FB most likely refuses to accept them because of the nudity, you make noise as we unfortunately expect FB to start understanding culture! Such corner cases in Computing are a nightmare to solve, but fortunately, solving those nightmares is what leads to Turing Awards! Waithaka Ngigi Alliance Technologies www.at.co.ke<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.at.co.ke&d=DQMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=2z_kMMIMlmcDPfp7X7iOd5zlsp_xCbjveKR8MqmAA3c&s=NLscvSnmlT5Z3KQg5jHab0tvB7C2gJETH7-IhnL672o&e=><https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.at.co.ke&d=DQIFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=lz1o3aMr1q3P5bUAXPKQkI3cM7vlTAgj3mUIMV2dMWE&s=xA4JZFvSxYsShTE47xmZKR25veNazurNbivwtg-fylo&e= > From: Ali Hussein via kictanet Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2016 7:42 AM To: Ngigi Waithaka Reply To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Cc: Ali Hussein; Nanjira Sambuli Subject: Re: [kictanet] The Tricky Power in Facebook's Hands... Listers The fact that Facebook finally reversed its decisions is commendable. And should be applauded. However, as Tony indicated it raises more questions than answers. 1. Should the most important and powerful Super Editor the world has ever seen be an algorithm or be influenced by Machine Learning? 2. If so at what point should human intervention be built in? 3. Even with human intervention we see that both Google and Facebook (rightly or wrongly) have been accused of certain biases. How do companies with such immense powers to influence our daily lives tamper their powers to ensure 'fair coverage'? I suspect both Facebook and Google are still coming to terms with these issues and that people like the Norwegian Editor and you and I must play our part to remind them to tamper their immense powers for the betterment of society. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ke.linkedin.com_in_alihkassim&d=DQIFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=lz1o3aMr1q3P5bUAXPKQkI3cM7vlTAgj3mUIMV2dMWE&s=nBswXXQi9BjtS25j1ou2URsLK3m5G2dA5jXD66ER9Hk&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ke.linkedin.com_in_alihkassim&d=DQMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=ovJ2kiZP7Ptrf5adme2oIFTw9hq5HllvDSL9jAVFdZw&s=TyeWecJj-GbaShzVImCu6-zWHkfQNmW9BUjLBbAYrOc&e=> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 10 Sep 2016, at 1:03 PM, Mildred Achoch via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: Definitely a lesson for all content regulators. "In his open letter, Hansen points out that Facebook’s decision to delete the photograph reveals a troubling inability to “distinguish between child pornography and famous war photographs”, as well as an unwillingness to “allow[ing] space for good judgement”. Mildred. Check out the Rock 'n' roll film festival, Kenya TV Channel! https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com&d=DQIFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=lz1o3aMr1q3P5bUAXPKQkI3cM7vlTAgj3mUIMV2dMWE&s=eoiiAyFivSACAO7-YYsdQ_WQSQwtLKLFe7IEPnECddQ&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__kenyarockfilmfestivaljournal.blogspot.com&d=DQMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=ovJ2kiZP7Ptrf5adme2oIFTw9hq5HllvDSL9jAVFdZw&s=rYL5gtnh83kPzJpn-V6I0_JF8d5tiuvpixfX775WEjo&e=> On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 8:01 AM, Nanjira Sambuli via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke<mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke><mailto:kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>> wrote: 1. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_technology_2016_sep_08_facebook-2Dmark-2Dzuckerberg-2Dnapalm-2Dgirl-2Dphoto-2Dvietnam-2Dwar&d=DQIFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=lz1o3aMr1q3P5bUAXPKQkI3cM7vlTAgj3mUIMV2dMWE&s=EfBZmKmxjTuGSQvrmxG_vAmjJrx7xBwCPghJat66Cio&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_technology_2016_sep_08_facebook-2Dmark-2Dzuckerberg-2Dnapalm-2Dgirl-2Dphoto-2Dvietnam-2Dwar&d=DQMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=ovJ2kiZP7Ptrf5adme2oIFTw9hq5HllvDSL9jAVFdZw&s=OxVwmlCzZtMMkX6W6SdxumdAx0int6psScq6zzJeHlo&e=> 2. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_technology_2016_sep_09_facebook-2Ddeletes-2Dnorway-2Dpms-2Dpost-2Dnapalm-2Dgirl-2Dpost-2Drow-3FCMP-3Dfb-5Fgu&d=DQIFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=lz1o3aMr1q3P5bUAXPKQkI3cM7vlTAgj3mUIMV2dMWE&s=SMD5HxOSvVnwbL1Ox5EvJRm5rWlB9CqqVr9q6EAU8N4&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.theguardian.com_technology_2016_sep_09_facebook-2Ddeletes-2Dnorway-2Dpms-2Dpost-2Dnapalm-2Dgirl-2Dpost-2Drow-3FCMP-3Dfb-5Fgu&d=DQMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=ovJ2kiZP7Ptrf5adme2oIFTw9hq5HllvDSL9jAVFdZw&s=s-Jknt4dHi0Hbx1Hnd0K0GaaNxpkWgUqTvTC_Phg5YM&e=> Regards, Nanjira. 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