I'm now putting the blame for this bill squarely on you Walu. Your article seems to be describing exactly the bill's contents, they just switched out professionals for practitionersđ. Now let me go into why you're wrong: *So far, there has been no Act of Parliament that would empower a particular organisation to regulate ICT professionals in Kenya and speak on their behalf. As the country adopts more and more technology, the absence of a statutory body mandated to provide leadership in the ICT space will become more pronounced.* I have to ask why we need one body to speak for ICT professionals? We've had instances in which the professional bodies have been wrong, or have pushed agendas that put short term profit ahead of public good. Do you know why bodies for lawyers, doctors and accountants exist? Because these are professions that have existed for ever, figuratively. They have well established norms and methods. They're also extremely slow to innovate. ICT, in all it's forms has barely been around for 60 years and is still evolving. Give ICT another century to settle. *Already, many examples that would have benefited from an objective, non-political analysis from ICT professionals have come and gone. The Laptop procurement saga, the spectacular failure of the IEBC electronic systems, and practically all the Anglo âfleecingâ ICT-related projects quickly come to mind.* *Would these projects have turned out differently if the individual ICT professionals involved knew that a statutory ICT professional body could revoke their licence to practice if at all they were found culpable of professional misconduct?* No these projects would not have turned out differently, malpractice exists doesn't matter if you have a certificate or not. Infact having a certificate may lead people not to scrutinise the work of these professional carefully and sanction mediocrity. The one reason you seem to have for such a body in law is so that the interests of ICT professionals can be represented however we have the Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) described as a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation, and it seems to be doing a decent job without legislation to "legitimise" it. On 6 July 2016 at 15:26, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Alex, @Muthuri,
Thnx for 'bursting' me @
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
It does seem the Internet does not forget :-)
Anyway, I still stand by those earlier views. That the ICT professionals should be better organized and speak with one strong voice in order to guide the nation in prosperous and in difficult moments. And that an Act of Parliament would go a long way in ensuring that such a voice is grounded in legislation and therefore cannot be wished away by current or future governments.
However, what I do not agree with is the way such an important bill may have gone 'below the radar' - all the way to the 1st reading. Without most people being aware of it, let alone having a chance to contribute and shape it.
In short, I have always appreciated the problem, but I do not necessarily agree with solutions (contents of the proposed bill), least of all the 'modus-operandi' methods applied to push it through.
So there you have it :-)
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Dennis Muthuri via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>; Alex Watila < awatila@yahoo.co.uk>; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 2:37 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Thanks Alex,
Iâd like to hear bwana Waluâs views. This is dialogue after all and not a witch hunt. All of us want the best way forward for all stakeholders at the end of the day.
Regards
On 6 Jul 2016, at 2:17 PM, Harry <harry26001@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Alex,
Bwana Walu seems to have ducked "under" on this one, though my sentiment would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector.
So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where was the consultative engagement..?
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Walu, Do you need to defend yourself?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
Regards,
Alex
-----Original Message----- From: Alex Watila [mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk <awatila@yahoo.co.uk>] Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: 'Harry' <harry26001@gmail.com>; 'Dennis Muthuri' < muthuridennis@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Dear All, I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies, governments make laws and then enforce the laws."
It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to be in the process of being given legal authority.
Regards,
Alex https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet [ mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke <kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf Of Harry via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:14 AM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Harry <harry26001@gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Hey Dennis,
Welcome on board..!
The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings.
Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'..
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Hary,
Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I donât have much context into the matter.
Thanks.
Dennis
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