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From: "eadera@idrc.or.ke" <eadera@idrc.or.ke>
To: j.maina@ymail.com; eadera@idrc.or.ke
Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:55:30 AM
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested Interests

Anyone has taken the time to thoroughly study the secret behind
Dubai's tremendous growth? (U.A.E in general). There are some useful
lessons!



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>---- Original Message ----
>From: j.maina@ymail.com
>To: eadera@idrc.or.ke
>Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd:  PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested
>Interests
>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:03:50 -0700 (PDT)
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>>Lizette
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>>I think that you have racially inclined your mind.
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>>When did KENCALL directors become Kenyans? After getting good
>friends to bribe their way to this country. And let me tell you that
>the money the so called investors are using are Kenyan money not
>money from foreign banks.
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>>They have come and borrowed from Kenyan banks. How much does the
>most profitable telecomms companies leave in this country, very small
>amount. We have Telecomms companies which are on their marks. They
>have very inferior systems and dont actually deliver in service but
>make billions and run away with the billions.
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>>Dada Lizette, we know that there are Kenyans who are white, black
>coloured and all but know that I am a mixed race Kenyan and really
>sad when our brotehrs have to suffer because of bad policies from
>people like PS
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>>JM
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>>----- Original Message ----
>>From: Lizette Kraft <lfkraft@gmail.com>
>>To: j.maina@ymail.com
>>Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>>Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:52:07 PM
>>Subject: [kictanet] Fwd:  PS Ndemo, ECONET Scandal aand Vested
>Interests
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>>Just my two pennies worth here.
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>>Kenya is not an Island that it can survive on its own even through
>local investment. Most times we dont have the funds. I do agree
>though about the Government and banks not supporting local investors
>with loans etc. They must start giving them the opportunity to setup
>local expertise and turn them in money making ventures, if only they
>wouldn't fleece their own companies.  Even America, the giant needs
>investors!!! You all have a valid point but use it for the best
>interests of Kenya and its people first and foremost. Not just self
>interest for the few.  And by the way Kenyans come in all shapes,
>sizes, COLOURS, and creed. So please don't generalise who is kenyan
>and who is not!!!  Kencall directors and owners are Kenyan and not
>outsiders if I understand correctly. When we are taxed whether
>individually or coorporately, the money is used for Kenya and Kenyans
>and not for outsiders who invested!  Forcing local partnership in
>foreign owned companies has
>> its negative and positive effects.
>>This needs to be look at more seriously to make it a win-win
>situation. It has been known in the past that foreign investors with
>forced local partnership have been subjected to threats and
>intimidation by the local partners when they wanted more than their
>fare share, (given to them mind you). Thus the weariness o
>>of being forced now. This does not attract any investor. But the
>foreigners should not fleece the country either!
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>>Let us have some constructive critisism without being racially
>inclined. Fight to make things right no matter what but without
>pinpointing nationalities or colours of people.
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>>On 10/7/08, John Maina <j.maina@ymail.com> wrote:
>>http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=3150#poest3150
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