Quoting Harry Delano <
harry@comtelsys.co.ke>:
>
>
S. Murigi,
>
> Hey is it an ipad you typing on....?? Anyways, just
on a lighter note...
>
> So, what could be the best way forward?
It seems, we just got a whole myriad
> of organizations out here, some
of them I'm hearing for the 1st time..
>
> Harry
>
>
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On
> Behalf Of S.Murigi Muraya
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010
3:25 PM
> To:
harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Cc:
KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT
Board? Hijacked
>
> About 2 years ago went to the KICTB offices
then at Waiyaki Way. My purpose
> then was to find out what they were
about.
>
> Was referred to a visibly irritated fellow who was done
with me in less than
> 1 minute only telling me to check the KICTB
website.
>
> Have waited to see what they would come up with and
am not too disappointed.
> For one they organize, co sponsor or market
industry events that yuppies can
> be involved in without falling
asleep. Being sort of experienced in the
> professional tech skills
development field this can authoritatively say this
> is one of the
'enabling situations' we have lacked locally.
>
> We need skills
but companies are not willing to train unethical techies who
> jump ship
immediately after being sharpened. On the other hand techies are
>
unable to effectively educate themselves without corporate or tech
community
> support eg.
www.ihub.co.ke>
> Training centers are not too
doing well financially & cannot hire the best
> (often more
experienced) techies because corporates are not training as much
> as
they should. By working with industry giants (eg Google, Microsoft,
>
Oracle) & their partners the KICTB is somehow helping educate techies
via
> these industry events.
>
> If anything, the KICTB
needs to exist for this purpose -> to help build
> capacity in the
local tech industry. They are exposing budding software
> entreprenuers
to Indian outsourcing practices to name another 'situation'
> they are
enabling. GITS, NCS etc do not do this as far as I know.
>
>
Nimechoka - typing on a mobile.
>
> SMM
>
>
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>
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 16:52
> To:
murigi.muraya@gmail.com> Cc:
KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
>
> Dr.
Siganga,
>
> Your write up makes sense, i guess we have been
mixing too many issues, in
> other words we handle government agencies
and industry associations
> separately, sounds like the meeting is a
welcome idea, i suggest government
> agencies first.
>
>
Regards
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM, waudo siganga <
emailsignet@mailcan.com>
>
wrote:
> > Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory
body to
> > regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and
the
> > discussion did not go far. Some said that we would be
interfering with
> > "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy
who has done much but
> > does not have any professional
qualification. Yet others had other
> > stories (e.g. the three blind
men story from Brian and his note to
> > Walu on 7/7/08:
>
>> I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have
a
> >> single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer
to would
> >> probably be more appropriate to some of the
professional disciplines
> >> within the ICT sector e.g. Software
Developers Guild, System
> >> Administrators Association, CIO/CTO
Society - within which there can
> >> be certain codes of
behavior, ethics, values, best practices etc...
> >
> > On
10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory body
>
> such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I
even
> > included a "draft ICT Professionals Act". The idea
received cold
> > water except from Kamotho.
> >
>
> One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I
see
> > statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than
"industry".
> > Industry bodies are normally private sector
initiatives formed by
> > interested persons to achieve common goals.
I can be surprised to hear
> > the government being asked to help set
up an "industry" association of
> > any type. Private sector
associations engage the government, so how
> > can the same
government be involved in their set up? The other
> > axiomatic thing
about associations is that the ones that do not
> > deliver
invariably die a natural death - and there are many examples
> > of
this in Kenya even within ICT. It is not difficult to set up a
> >
membership association (just like a Church or Club which are set up
under
> the same "Societies Act").
> > People cannot be stopped
from setting up associations because the
> > Constitution guarantees
freedom of association. This means those who
> > have any bright
ideas that are not accommodated by existing
> > associations cannot
have an excuse or choose to take up the role of
> > professional
hecklers of existing associations.
> >
> > Within ICT we
agreed some years to accommodate multiple associations
> > which then
converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified voice.
> > This I
think is working very well as recently exemplified at the Prime
> >
Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well articulated.
>
>
> > With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government
agencies and
> > private sector associations at the same meeting I
think that would
> > create much confusion and even opportunities for
red herrings to be
> > thrown around. It is mixing oranges and
apples. The word "association"
> > is actually a short form. The
exact terminology is "membership
> > association". An association is
made up of members who voluntarily
> > come together and run their
interests. The members have their own
> > channels to discuss their
issues. It does not take much imagination to
> > realize that someone
who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have
> > overflowing goodwill
towards (leave alone information about) the
> > association. However,
associations face a lot of challenges and a
> > specific get together
of associations to discuss best practices and
> > ways of being
sustainable and more effective would be welcome. The
> > Business
Advocacy Fund is for example doing a great and positive job
> > in
the direction of capacity building and funding. Well done to them.
>
> Another useful type of meeting is the type you refer to that was
held
> > at KICC a couple of years ago where associations can inform
a wider
> > audience about their activities and roles and, perhaps,
recruit more
> members. Overall, an associations'
> > meeting
should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for
> >
government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's
>
> limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations
that
> > are not effective" to include those which are effective so
that others
> > can learn from them as well.
> >
>
> Waudo
> >
www.cskonline.org> >
> >
> > On
Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500,
ikua@lpakenya.org wrote:
> >>
Dear listers,
> >> Did we not have a similar meeting not too long
ago? I think it was
> >> about two years or so. Cant remember who
had organized it but it was
> >> there at KICC. Same theme of
taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant
> >> remember if the
Government agencies were represented.
> >>
> >> Not
that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we
>
>> need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind
of
> >> gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is
awash with
> >> all manner of associations/organizations and
Government bodies. Isn't
> >> it time that we had the sort of
organization that we see with other
> >> professions like
Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the
> >>
Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily
>
>> be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented
by
> >> the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was
passed not
> >> too long ago.
> >>
> >>
Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance
>
>> that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have
an
> >> industry body that would take care of all others, say like
a CSK that
> >> is recognized by an Act of parliament.
>
>>
> >> Regards,
> >> Ikua
>
>>
> >> Quoting Mwololo Tim <
timwololo@gmail.com>:
>
>>
> >> > Dear all,
> >> > The discussion
needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs
> >> > in
Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and
> >>
> DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT industry
>
associations that are not effective.
> >> > I can organize such
a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one.
> >> >
However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded
>
>> > by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two
> >> > persons can prepare presenations to guide the
discussions, with
> >> > these presentations being made
available earlier for participants
> >> > to acquint with them.
I am also prepared to be one of those
> >> > persons.
tim
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10
PM, Barrack Otieno
> >> > <
otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> >
> >> >> Daktari,
> >>
>>
> >> >> Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not
sure i saw the
> >> >> document as well it must have been
hijacked. A town hall meeting
> >> >> is a welcome idea i
second it, Kippra felt sufficiently
> >> >> philanthropic
before the last town hall meeting i wonder whether
> >> >>
they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn Magolo
>
>> >> can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda.
>
>> >>
> >> >> Regards
> >>
>>
> >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon
Mburu Kamau
> >> >> <
solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> > On 04/04/2010,
bitange@jambo.co.ke <
bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
>
>> >> >> Barrack,
> >> >> >> Several
posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it
> >> >>
>> will be
> >> >> wise
> >> >>
>> if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we
had
> >> >> >> on
> >> >>
Malili.
> >> >> >> Honestly it feels as though some
Neanderthal decided to create
> >> >> >> these
agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms
> >>
>> >> are good only when you point out where there are
gaps.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only
>
>> >> >> one
> >> >> person
>
>> >> >> did respond. What it means then is that this
forum ni ya
> >> >> >> kuchongoana
> >>
>> tu.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy
>
>> >> > proposals as a new thread so that interested parties
may respond?
> >> >> > If sent within this thread, I'm
afraid they'll be swallowed
> >> >> > along the
>
>> >> way.
> >> >> >
> >>
>> >> Which really is unfortunate. I have four other
policy
> >> >> >> proposals that I really think should
push through then arouse
> >> >> >> sufficient
interest from
> >> >> the
> >> >> >>
membership here.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
I also think you should send them so that we react to the contents!
>
>> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >>
>> >> Ndemo.
> >> >> >>
> >>
>> >>
> >> >> >>> This is truly "Jicho
Pevu", i think some answers to this
> >> >> >>>
questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can
> >>
>> >>> someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved
in
> >> >> >>> ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do
some tooth comb analysis, i
> >> >> >>> saw a
post from Paul on what the board has achieved early
> >>
>> >>> this year, that was very much in order we need something
from NCS
> as well plus any other agencies.
> >> >>
>>>
> >> >> >>> Regards
> >>
>> >>>
> >> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 3,
2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga
> >> >> >>> <
volunga@yahoo.com>
> >>
>> wrote:
> >> >> >>>> There is also
another body , National Communications
> >> >>
>>>> Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT
Baord
> >> >> >>>> and how do the two
bodies
> >> >> relate
> >> >>
>>>> with respect to advisory services to the governement on
ICT
> matters?
> >> >> >>>>
>
>> >> >>>> Regards
> >> >>
>>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >>
>> >>>> Vitalis
> >> >>
>>>>
> >> >> >>>>
________________________________
> >> >> >>>>
From: robert yawe <
robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
>
>> >> >>>> To:
volunga@yahoo.com> >>
>> >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> >>
>> >>>> <
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>> >> >>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22
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> >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is
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> >> >> >>>>
>
>> >> >>>> Hi,
> >> >>
>>>> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a
monolith,
> >> >> >>>> Try reading this... (pdf
file), as I feared it is mandated to
> >> >>
>>>> do anything and everything under the sun that could be
called
> >> >> >>>> ICT which includes your
microwave oven and copier.
> >> >> >>>>
Functions of Kenya ICT Board
> >> >> >>>> The
core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the
> >>
>> >>>> Kenya
> >> >> Gazette
>
>> >> >>>> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007:
>
>> >> >>>> ? To advice the government on all
relevant matters
> >> >> >>>> pertaining to
development, coordination (remember the PM
> >> >>
>>>> post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country.
>
>> >> >>>> ? Promote both locally and
internationally the opportunities
> >> >> >>>>
for investments in ICT technology ? Facilitate and manage
>
>> >> >>>> ICT industrial incubation parks and
>
>> >> technology
> >> >> >>>> parks
together with associated facilities on sites, estates and
>
land.
> >> >> >>>> ? Partner with agents
within and without the country to
> >> >> >>>>
carry out
> >> >> such
> >> >>
>>>> functions as it may consider necessary.
> >>
>> >>>> ? To transform and empower society through
deployment and
> >> >> >>>> use of
>
>> >> ICTs.
> >> >> >>>> ?
Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT
> >>
>> >>>> products
> >> >> and
>
>> >> >>>> services.
> >> >>
>>>> Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G,
yes
> >> >> >>>> you
> >> >>
guessed
> >> >> >>>> it I
> >>
>> >>>> still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi.
>
>> >> >>>> Regards
> >> >>
>>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >>
>> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
>
>> >> >>>>
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