Ngigi, That's a fair argument. Except that Universities (Public or Private) are not your typical organisation. There is usually that thing called Academic Freedom. We tend to be entitled to, and defend our own thinking - and reserve the right to disagree with someones else thinking. Irrespective of whether it is the Vice Chancellor, the Minister or the President who is having contrary opinion. I think someone with this background or culture is infact more "independent" than someone who sits on a board representing specific and narrow interests, be they commercial, political or otherwise. In another words, as an academic, I can disagree with my boss on an issue and live to earn my salary the following day, because my terms of employment guarantee my my academic freedom/right to disagree. Not quite sure this applies in the private sector :-) Nevertheless, your argument does hold some water, but perhaps applies only to folks in what we used to call "Central" and now "National" Government a.k.a the CORE civil servants. I still dont think Public University dons fall in this category of core civil service. But as @Mwendwa said, I could be biased.. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 8/9/14, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority Board Appointments Quashed by the High Court To: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, "John Walubengo" <jwalu@yahoo.com> Date: Saturday, August 9, 2014, 12:11 PM Walu, It could be that Public Servants sitting in boards of Public bodies is an 'incestious' relationship that does not allow for the *independence* that external members of a board are supposed to bring to the table. Take your case, you are at MMU, which is under Min ICT, then you get to be a board member at CAK, also under Min ICT. One phone call from you know who and you basically sing their story :-) Waithaka Ngigi Alliance Technologies Nairobi, Kenya www.A1.io On 9 Aug 2014 12:00, "Walubengo J via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Mwendwa, am three quarters(3/4) of a don, one quarter (1/4) to go before am a full don :-) Anyway, my beef in all this saga is that the Kenya Communications Act (revised 2013) has a clause that stipulate that public servants (including dons in PUBLIC universities) should not sit on some boards including the Communication Authority, Universal Service, ICT Authority amongst others. It however does not bar dons from PRIVATE universities to sit on these very boards. I am just not able to understand the rationale behind this - perhaps I will when I complete the remaining 1/4 of my studies. But meanwhile the drafters of this clause are on this list (National Communication Secretariate lurkers :-). Maybe they could break it down for us in simple english. But bottom line, I want to believe nobody should be barred whether they come from private or public university. walu. -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 8/8/14, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority Board Appointments Quashed by the High Court To: "Walubengo J" <jwalu@yahoo.com>, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Friday, August 8, 2014, 10:29 PM Walu, you might have a point, but being a don yourself (or on the way to donship), I think your argument is biased. Any professional at any educational level can give good advice to national boards. Most successful Ministers at the Kibaki regime were not necessarily PhD holders. I am not discounting the value of education at all, and in 5 years, I will be a don too. And I agree, the law is biased by preventing public university employees from sitting on public boards but allowing private university employees and other private citizens to sit on the same boards. Although I have a contradictory view that education and research will suffer if the said professors are overloaded with side jobs (something they will still do with private consultancies). It's a catch22 On 08/08/2014, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > > @Kamotho, > > am yet to read the full ruling. But if i recall well the key contention/plea > was that the appointment of Public University staff into the various ICT > Boards to be be found illegal. > > it appears the judges are in agreement. However, considering the amount of > intelkectual talent within public universities - dont you think it is > discriminatory that that group of staff are barred from contributing to > national development at a Board level? > > Is it time to review this clause or it does serve the purpose? > > walu. > > > ------------------------------ > On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 1:19 PM AST (Arabian) Kamotho Njenga via kictanet > wrote: > >>The illegal appointments made by the ICT Cabinet Secretary, Dr Fred >>Matiang'i have been quashed by the High Court. Details on the background >>and the orders of the court are available at >>http://www.ictak.or.ke/resources/news-and-events/235-statement-on-the-high-c... >> >>For the avoidance of doubt, partial implications of the certiorari orders >>are that the impugned board was illegal *ab initio*. So it is like the >>board never existed. Reports attributable to the CS are that he plans to >>appeal the decision. He has an inherent right to do so. What must be clear >>is that the quash orders are in full force w.e.f yesterday and the board >>cannot purport to transact or to be seen to do so. >> >>This is a crisis the Cabinet secretary has precipitated himself because of >>a trademark unilateralism approach and failure to engage. Any attempt by >>any person whatsoever to overlook the prescriptions of the court's decree >>has obvious sanctions. >> >>Kamotho > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kivuva%40transworldafr... > > The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for > people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and > regulation. 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