Thanks Walu, Alex...And a gentle reminder of the rules: Mind your manners - * Be polite - virtual members are real not a cyberspace borg with no feelings. * Watch your words - They can’t see your face, and the emotions in words can get misinterpreted. * Kick the bad language - People are listening. * Laws are laws - What’s real in the real world are the same in cyberspace. * Don’t send rude or offensive e-mails or postings. * Newbie tolerance - You’re an expert in cyberspace, don’t forget there are newbie’s trying to learn as much as you had to. * Be ethical in your posting. Don't lie, plagiarize, or deliberately do harm to another KICTANet forum user. best alice John Walubengo wrote:
I must agree with Alex,
sometimes one does get quite heated-up online and unleashes lines that if read by third parties sound quite on the edge/offensive.
Here's what I have learnt to do when i feel the blood boiling in my throat and want to hit back. I always Breath in (x3), Edit the text, then send.
As they often say - we may not agree on the issues, but can at least agree to disagree diplomatically.
walu. --- Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote:
I know that I am usually hard hitting at my opposition discussants, but I am feel expressions used below are uncalled for no matter how opposed the writer's view is.
--- Joseph Manthi <jmanthi@gmail.com> wrote:
Sean, You of all people, a man living in England, reaping wealth from the ignorance of Africans, should not be making comments like these. You do not want Africans to realize what is going on. Do not wake a sleeping giant. It is high time we started taking care of our own. Why do you think that what SA is doing is "Rubbish"? Doesn't this honourable minister have the right to protect SA assets from nyangaus like you?
I wish every African government is like South Africa where we can weed off foreign ownership of African assets.
Bravo SA.
Joe
On 9/13/07, Sean Moroney <seanm@aitecafrica.com> wrote:
Yes, the security angle struck me as typical
Newspeak from a regime that can
get away with rubbish like that where there is no
effective opposition. How
like their Apartheid forebears they sound!
Sean Moroney Chairman AITEC Africa seanm@aitecafrica.com
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Behalf Of Kai Wulff Sent: 12 September 2007 12:54 To: seanm@aitecafrica.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fwd: SV: [AfrISPA.Discuss]
Undersea cable
plantangled in acrimony inSouth Africa
I second that!
It is comforting to know that SA will provide
security to Africa by
insisting on a majority ownership of the cables!
I am sure this attitude will change once Kenya
receives capacity @ less than
USD 100,- per M ..
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Undersea cable plan
tangled in acrimony inSouth Africa
I used to have a difficult time explaining to
fellow Kenyans that it was
very difficult dealing with our brothers in SA
because at every meeting
goal posts kept on shifting. Perharps now
everybody understands that the
veto power in the NEPAD protocol was a control
tool. Below please find
additional material.
Ndemo.
Cables require local ownership BY DAMARIA SENNE &
CHRISTELLE DU TOIT
<mailto:damaria@itweb.co.za> [ Johannesburg, 10
September 2007 ]
South Africa requires that all undersea cables
landing here be majority
owned by South Africans, says communications
Minister Ivy
Matsepe-Casaburri.
Speaking at the Southern African
Telecommunications Networks and
Applications Conference (Satnac) 2007, in
Mauritius, this morning,
Matsepe-Casaburri said government was happy with
indications that
investors plan to land cables in the country. However, she will soon announce new landing
guidelines that require that
"all cables " landing in SA be majority owned by
South Africans, she said.
The guidelines will also be consistent with SA's
foreign policy and take
the security of the country, and the African
continent, into
consideration, she said. "Every cable landing or leaving SA should
incorporate in it the Nepad [New
Partnership for Africa's Development] Broadband
Infrastructure Network."
Security measures are important, given the state
of our insecure world,
she added.
Matsepe-Casaburri said that she instructed Dep.of
Communications
Dir-General Lyndall Shope-Mafole to propose the
landing guidelines to the
Interim Inter-Governmental Assembly for
discussion. She also noted that
her department studied the communications
regulations of other countries
when drafting the landing guidelines, ensuring
they are consistent with
international trends.
Determination expected BMI-TechKnowledge senior analyst Richard Hurst
says the implications of
the ownership stipulations are that "those who do
end up rolling out
cables will have to do so via partnerships". He
cites Seacom and Neotel's
interaction as an example of this, where "Neotel
basically would control
the landing rights of Seacom in SA". According to Hurst, "government is trying to hedge
its bets", but the
stipulations set out by the minister have
generally been expected. He says
South African companies should benefit from the
directives, as should the
consumer. "It should open up access to those cables and
bring prices down." He adds
that, as the international community moves towards
always-on broadband, SA
will also increasingly need high-speed capacity.
However he reiterates:
"The more bandwidth we have, the better."
Investor support Meanwhile, Matsepe-Casaburri said SA was convinced
it was on the right
path to break away from the Eassy (Eastern Africa
Submarine Cable System)
cable project and support the Nepad Broadband
Infrastructure Network, as
well as initiating its own undersea cable systems.
She said there was strong support from potential
investors in the Nepad
Broadband (?) Infrastructure Network. "Instead of
people running away
from us, we have a lot of support from investors." SA and other African governments broke away from
the Eassy project because
larger operators taking part in the initiative
bought such large
quantities of capacity that there would never be
fair access for smaller
operators, she noted.
EASSY project was not in line with the Nepad
objective, which was to
facilitate fair and open access for all telecoms
providers to lower the
cost of telecoms on the continent, she said. She
noted that SA's
Parliament had ratified the Nepad Broadband
Infrastructure Network
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