Hi,

Finally got a video that explains the death of mot great initiatives suggested on this forum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFNXNTVNjZM&feature=BFa&list=UU6fryLGM_FkZQ9hklhfpj2A

Regards

PS.  There are 2 ways to beat up anyone who tries to get to the ladder, flame them to a crispy ash (Yawe nd elk) or not contributing (laggards) either of which is very effective.