Thanks Barrack for the heads-up. Well Noted On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 7:44 PM Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Thomas,
Its Hon Godfrey Osotsi, not Osoro.
Regards
On Thu, 20 Sep 2018 21:14 Thomas Kaberi via kictanet, < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Let's wait for the bill to be published.
Then we can connect the dots to interrogate both motive and players.
Before the final doc is on the floor and we are reading it line by line our speculation may isolate potential allies.
Some of the views from last time was to 1. get ahead of politicians
2. and draft a law that is holistic and progressive,
it's too late for the no. 1 we can work with the good Hon. Otsoro to make no. 2 happen.
I actually think he was very courteous to tell us about the bill before he brought it to the house
That's a very good sign of an open minded and progressive legislator.
And it's a good point to start.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 1:54 PM Collins Areba via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
I think the sole objective of the bill, is to define an “ICT practitioner”.
The only plausible reason people would be so keen to define this… well, Ill leave this up for discussion. ;-)
Regards,
Collins Areba, Kilifi, Kenya. Tel: +*254 707 750 788* / *0731 750 788* Twitter: @arebacollins. Skype: arebacollins On 20 Sep 2018, 1:09 PM +0300, kanini mutemi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>, wrote:
I say this in jest…perhaps what’s necessary is ‘How the Internet works’ primer. That would very quickly demystify the idea that there are certain people called ‘ICT Practitioners’.
On 19 Sep 2018, at 13:44, Thomas Kaberi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
This is a very contentious issue with multiple and divergent interests.
As Ali would put it Kila mwamba ngoma is going to vuta kwake
But let me start with congratulating you all for showing up to do this again, it clearly wasn't going to be a one time stand
On top of just fighting, this time we must be the ones to figure it out as well.
As some fight and others make noise and throw tantrums, while the majority flee and bury their heads -- in true Kenya style...
I have listed below 11 key lessons we could borrow from the previous lobbying efforts in the first round.
They are:
1. Find out the political reasons behind the bill --- there is always a few and they are the only ones that matter.
2. Work with the mover and chairs very very closely but don't forget the researchers, committee members and support staff. ---major influences oftenly ignored to the peril of many.
3. Lobby both one on one and committee. ---The members are smart human beings with personal views and positions that may not surface in group hearings for political and other reasons.
---The one on one's give a view into the undercurrents and nuances in the committee proceedings preparing us not to react but respond effectively.
4. Have a unified agenda and scenarios for both the fundamentals and specifics.
--generalities and differences only serve to make the point that we are disorganised and don't know what we want.
5. Give specific line by line recommendations. --It easier to negotiate specifics
6. Educate the committee members about implications of each clause. --don't assume they know and or connect with your views and context.
7. This is going to be a hard, rough and windy road thus plan for both the best and worst outcomes. --Frastration is a key strategy in the making of sausages that lawmaking is.
8. That even within the sector we will detractors, armchair critics and lone ranger self seekers.
---not everyone is saying what they mean and not few things are what they seem to be.
10. Focus on what people really need beyond what what they seem to seek. -- Be open to giving more than you expect to give and take much less than you bargain for.
11. Whoever hangs on long enough will have the best chance to win. --We've done it before and we can do it again and again if that's what it takes.
On Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 9:21 AM Barry Macharia via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Dear All
This is back in parliament again
https://www.cio.co.ke/kenyas-controversial-ict-practitioners-bill-re-emerges...
regards Barry
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