Wainaina et al Like the Kenyan Pundit says: She would her daughter to find a home in Africa. With the way things are going there will be no place since everything will be foreign owned and policies will be made in Whitehall, The Hague, Bonn, Whitehouse or wherever else these guys from. Joe On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 5:30 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Wainaina,
To add to your list: the anti-foreigner attacks in Europe, in the US... is there a bigger picture evolving across those continents?
Google search "european xenophobia" and you'll see.
Have you tried being a Turk in Germany, an Algerian/Moroccon in France, a Mexican in the US, an immigrant in Switzerland? Remember Jorg Haider in Austria, Le Penn in France?
It is in the long-term interest of foreign investors (whether primarily of labor as in the cases above, or of cash/technology as in the Kenyan situation) to comprehensively address some of the issues raised in this forum. I for one wouldn't be comfortable knowing my investments might unravel in the near/far future due to feelings of encroachment by the local populace, however misplaced one may think those feelings are.
Saidi
Dear all,
The anti-foreigner attacks in South Africa, Zimbabwe, other African countries...and now Kenya....
Is there a bigger picture evolving across the continent?
Wainaina
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Joseph Manthi <jmanthi@gmail.com> wrote:
Brian We take exception to our country being run by foreigners because we know what it means to live in their midst. You come and live in the US - or
ask
those Kenyans who have studied in India and could not find a single job in India to do not because they did not have skills but because they were not Indian - and you will tell me what you think.
A foreign born national - especially Africans - will not be allowed the kind of access and influence you guys seem to be abrogating to self declared foreigners leave alone those ones who are quiet and do not want to be found out. And when qualified Kenyans want to return home they find everything being run by foreigners and doors closed.
Joe
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com
wrote:
Now Joseph that was entirely uncalled for. Do you begin to have even
slightest clue as to the extent that this country has benefitted from Florence "Mama ICT's" sweat, blood and tears. The question that is lurking in the bcak of my mind is why does it only (or mainly) seem to be our diaspora who are taking exception to the "visitors" in our midst? Could it be some kind of misplaced aggression? If Dr. Henry Chassia was talked about or treated by the South Africans the way you guys are addressing our valued friends then both Mandela and Mbeki would not benefit from his incredible input in their Presidential Advisory Committee on ICTs. Please desist from these kind of racial slurs.... Brian
Sent from my iPhone On 14 Jul 2008, at 7:27 PM, "Joseph Manthi" <jmanthi@gmail.com> wrote:
Florence: Don't you think you should let Kenyan's deal with their own stuff instead of you foreigners interfering? This is equivalent to you being invited to someone's else's house and asking to sleep in the parent's bed. It is high time you let us do our own things for our benefit.
Brian, I vote no to this.
Joe
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Florence Etta < feanywhere@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
My dear Brian,
May I humbly publicly offer my services to facilitate such a Forum
since
I am NOT Kenyan I wil not take sides.
Besides, I am passionate about developments in this sector and in the continent at large and I love to bring people together to discuss constructiuvely. Trust me.
Cheers, Florence Etta
Alternative Email:florence.etta@gmail.com<Email%3Aflorence.etta@gmail.com>
----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <brian@caret.net> To: feanywhere@yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 14 July, 2008 4:39:57 PM Subject: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Sector Stakeholder Public Forum (was Re: Legislation and Discipline & Ethics)
Hi all, We are proposing a Public Forum on Thursday 31st of July to be held at a suitable venue in Nairobi. The objective will be to provide all the different ICT stakeholder organisations within Kenya a chance to introduce themselves and their policies to the public. There will also be opportunity to evaluate Kenya's ICT ecosystem, especially with regards to the different entities, their missions, roles and goals. As well as provide organisations such as KEPSA with an opportunity to share their view/vision on how they expect ICT sector input/engagement. Formal announcement will be posted once details have been worked out, but in the meantime please pencil this into your schedules. We can also explore the possibility of an IP stream for the Diaspora... if there is interest in tracking this. Warm regards, Brian On Jul 14, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Bill Kagai wrote:
Daktari,
I agree with you to some extent. If I were to chronicle the genesis of the problem, some organisations were/are feeling choked by KIF especially in relation to KEPSA. In my opinion, this means that KIF has managed to do many things better than others to get where they are. However, that should not mean that KIF now becomes the blanket representative of the industry in matters pertaining to KEPSA. Other specialised organisations e.g. Skunkworks, CSK, Kictanet etc should have equal opportunity to adress
sector specific concerns with any stakeholder. [Government/Industry/Public]. E.g. If a foreign software house came to Government seeking advice on how to partner with the local industry, why should KIF seize the opportunity when we know that Skunkworks is more adept in those matters?? [Caveat - organisations mentioned for purpose of elaboration only]
The crux of the matter is that these new organisations do not come up because of sector specific concerns they wish addressed...service, bandwidth, policy, payment gateways etc but because officials running established organisations have become 'Mugabes' resisting change and growing old [literally] in those positions.
You are best placed to provide leadership here by insisting that you will only engage with organisations that run efficient structures with clear mandates from their electorates and I will follow by paying membership in all organisations that I feel will help air my business concerns in
industry. Actually, I will be comfortable dealing with your ministry
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina.mungai@gmail.com> wrote: the their the through
my sector organisation instead of all us queueing at your reception. And I will hold my organisation leader responsible and thus create more time for you to engage with others.
Waudo::: You know what am talking about. Be brave...wachia vijana usukani.
Bill
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:30 PM, <bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
Bill, In my view, such fracases are an indication of the level of activity
in
our sector. We however must exercise our freedom of speech with responsibility. If nothing was happening, nobody will feel squeezed.
We must show the world that inspite of our differences, we are able to remain focused. I wish we spent more energy on diffusion of technoloy. We have limitless opportunities in this sector that we must encourage more foreign equity participation to ensure a flow of technology transfer. This is what the NICs did.
Asante.
Ndemo.
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