Thanks to everyone who has spoken today including the CS, Walu, Ali, Gakuru, Gideon and Waudo. @ Ali, thanks for sharing the useful resource. Will include it the references section in our final document. @Walu, I agree with you entirely! This is the time to contribute and shape the AUCC. Truly we should not complain when given the opportunity unless our views are ignored. This is an sign that we need a framework that allows stakeholders contributions to be reflected in the final outcome. @Gideon, thanks for sharing your analysis. Your suggestion on the need for state prerogatives to be well defined so as not to breach the rights of a private life online or offline is noted. Further, the selection of an all inclusive and not necessarily government Protection Authority is a good input. @Waudo, the National Communication Secretariat has not been disbanded, maybe just quiet. Perhaps we should be inquire its role in policy formulation. @Gakuru, thanks for the article. You raise an important point: Is the intent to protect Africans data from external violations of privacy among other fundamental rights? A point to think about. Listers, please feel free to go back to any day of the week and raise the issue(s) that you may have. Rgds GG From: ali@hussein.me.ke Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 05:41:08 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ISOC_KE] Day 2: On-line debate on African Union Convention on Cyber Security (AUCC) CC: isoc@orion.my.co.ke; kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com True that. But how many of us actually read the fine print? Of course you,would say that the onus is on us to read...:) Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad On Nov 26, 2013, at 11:01 PM, Kivuva <Kivuva@transworldafrica.com> wrote: 'Buyers who bought this item also bought these items' and a list of recommended items similar to what you bought appears under your shopping cart. How would we categories this? Some may say that this is smart coming from Amazon. Some may consider it spooky and border line privacy issues. The point I'm making is that I don't want some 'Smart Alec' government functionary deciding for me what I should see or not see online (or off line for that matter). That is a personal choice and of course we have plenty of tools to stop some of these 'intrusive' online practices. I feel you Ali, But Amazon can claim that their business intelligence is in their terms of service _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/ggithaiga%40hotmail.co... The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.