Hi Listers, The issue of fish farming in central province came up in the Ndemo for President thread. Find a report on the progress of fish farming across the country, please see chart on page 6. http://www.fisheries.go.ke/index2.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=14&Itemid=94 Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Michael Ouma <benomnta@yahoo.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Cc: Kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 17 August, 2011 14:58:52 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Reality Just to react to this bit here, that "Data collected from the development of fish farming in Central Province County is that they will be the largest producers of fish by the year 2015 at which time the tri-citizenship fish in Lake Victory will either have been exhausted or the lake will have died from pollution. Then bwana president how will you deal with the issue of no fish in lake victoria come 2015, or shall we wait for famine and malnutrition to fester in the region so that we can then cry on national TV and hope it will resolve the issue?" Here's something I've found online, and which can be confirmed or refuted, depending on where one stands: "It has to be; fish from the lake is much tastier than fish from the farms/ponds. I guess the lake ones are exposed to a variety of foodstuffs and nutrients that a fish farmer cannot provide. plus the space within the lake is much larger, making them swim more and grow healthier (and heavier). This is just a hypothesis; on the taste though l am sure. You can straight away tell the difference. Nearest comparison l can think of is like kienyeji chicken vis-a-vis broilers!" So whatever the size of acres being put under fish farming/ponds in other parts of the country, the fish resource in Lake Victoria is still crucial and it's importance to the area's and region's economy can't possibly be downplayed... Michael Ouma Journalist Kenya Tel:+254-725-537823 "Do not go where the path may lead, but go instead where there is no path and leave a trail," - Ralph Waldo Emerson ________________________________ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
To: benomnta@yahoo.com Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Reality
Hi Grace,
KBF is a term given to us by our wise and insightful current President that in full is "KuBaFu"
Definition has given by the other old wise man, Hon. Michuki Kubafu ni mtu ambaye anajua kile anahitajiwa kufanya lakini anakataa A Kubafu is one who knows what they need or are supposed to do but refuse to do so
This definition has been given previously in this forum but as we are unable to put content on the web in a searchable format which is why you could not get it when you searched on Google.
Regards
Coast Politician: Rais sisi watu wa pwani tuko nyuma yako President Kenyatta: Laa, sitaki watu nyuma yangu, nataka tusonge mbele bega kwa bega Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Wed, 17 August, 2011 10:51:45 Subject: RE: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Reality
Yawe What is a KBF?
Rgds GG
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From: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Reality CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
Hi Daktari,
Unless you are the first born in your mothers home then you and I started the 100 meter race 100 meters before the starting point but yet you will find that you must have overtaken those who started before you for a number of reasons some of which are;
1. Their position was not by their own efforts but a matter of chance and they are used to being pushed, those behind have a tendency to be self propelled 2. Late starters have the opportunity to learn from the mistakes of those ahead, unless one is a KBF 3. The trail blazers flatten the grass allowing those behind to make faster progress 4. While your elder siblings might have walked 5 kilometres to school you most like only walked 3 kilometres because they carried you the last 2.
There are many benefits to lagging into new territories which is why in our implementation of the technology cities and parks we needs to be better than those of Egypt, India and South Africa unfortunately we seem to have the "also ran" mentality instead of applying the principle of best practice and innovation.
On the Konza design I mentioned to you that one of the biggest issues that Silicon Valley suffers today is excessive tarmac which leads to too much motorised traffic which apart from causing traffics produces a lot of lead which affects the brain and by extension the ability to be creative. Even with the benefit of hind site Konza's designers refuse to learn from those who went before.
As the face and engine of this monumental project that the president will be breaking ground to in September are you doing to incorporate best practices from within and elsewhere?
On the issue of fish in the lake we need to realise that the dependence on faith and heavenly intervention to feed us must come to a sudden and abrupt end. You either feed the fish or go hungry, we need to stop thinking like hunters and gatherers and take responsibility for our food security .
My maternal grandfather was one of the first people to dig a bore hole in the district sometime in the late 60's and was, like I have been, laughed off as the village madman it is only today that the neighbours appreciate what he did. In those days there was no need to dig a bore hole because the rains where predictable, the rivers where clean and accessible, the population was small and the walk to the river was short.
A number of years later the short route to the river was grabbed as is traditional and those who had no direct river access like my grand parents neighbours had to walk a longer distance. The bore hole spared my grandmother the long walk but unfortunately also made my mothers siblings lazy.
I leave you to decide what the moral of the story is, might just have been a chance for me to brag about my intelligent grand father or was it?
Data collected from the development of fish farming in Central Province County is that they will be the largest producers of fish by the year 2015 at which time the tri-citizenship fish in Lake Victory will either have been exhausted or the lake will have died from pollution.
Then bwana president how will you deal with the issue of no fish in lake victoria come 2015, or shall we wait for famine and malnutrition to fester in the region so that we can then cry on national TV and hope it will resolve the issue?
In closing, since the discussion has been extended would you rather we continue with this discussion on the same threat or spin it off seperately? I prefer a separate threat has it gives me an opportunity to see how many discussions you can keep on the front banner.
Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
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To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Tue, 16 August, 2011 21:10:27 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Xenophobia
Harry, Examine Robert's logic through his metaphor of how long a cow takes to die out of hunger. If he meant that we should have seen it coming then he is a master of contradiction.
What is happening around Lake Victoria must be stopped. If indeed this were businessmen, then they need not spend money to silencing politicians. Infact some politicians speak like Robert. "Our people are lazy". This is a grave matter. We cannot fight poverty by telling our people to compete in a 200 meter race when the vistors are starting at 100 meter spot (Capital unlimited) and we cannot vouch on the sources of their immense financial strength.
The impact of excess liquidity in the market affects everyone through inflation and inflated property prices as well as rent. You do not need an economist to tell you this.
I do not blame Robert's puritanical reaction. This is typical of us when we fail to look at a global picture. If it wasn't the fact that the official "campaign" is over I would have spent more time on the economic implications of the issue at hand.
Ndemo.
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