Yawe, You completely misunderstood my message. I just brought out the issue we were discussing in the Sauna and its impact since we are only doing it in low tones. Kenya is a land of opportunity and we shall have it that way. I spent a great deal of time discussing morals and how we need to respect one another. I do not want to expound thid further. Regards Ndemo.
Hi,
Let us be careful about taking a position of weakness on the issue of the Somalis and by extension the Muslims. The rest of us make up 80% of the population which unfortunately consists of 32 million individuals thereby the fear we have of a unified group of only 8 Million.
With the advent of open data we should be able to easily put statical evidence on the table instead of spreading unsubstantiated rumours.
Dr. Ndemo, can we get access to the records at the Ministry of Lands indicating the stamp duty paid from which, as IT people, we should be able to confirm if it is the Somalis who are raising the price of housing?
Growing up in Buru Buru in the late seventies and early eighties I experienced the initial influx of the immigrant Somali, I went to school in Eastleigh which is why I appreciate the difference between the Kenyan and Somali Somali.
When the refugees arrived they shot the price for rental of a 3 bedroom house from 5,000/- to 15,000/- per month. Note that they live as large families which is why they could afford to offer higher rents than the single family locals. In addition they were desperate for accommodation which is why they where willing to pay a premium.
The rising cost of housing in Nairobi is more as a result of the sheep mentality that many of us suffer from which results in rising prices due to a perceived shortage. Nairobi has a built up area of less than 20% so what is the rush to buy overpriced houses? The exponential increase in the prices of houses is therefore clearly as a result of our pedestrian approach to issues even though we are better educated than our parents and grand parents for some untold reason we are less intelligent.
Even the Kileleshwa that we keep being told is running out still has more than 60% of its land surface either underutilised or vacant, you can use google earth to confirm or refute my statement.
Once we have exhausted all the available land and redeveloped Eastlands we can then relocate Statehouse and DOD so that we can redevelop the land. But with the counties taking shape that situation is unlikely to happen.
The church I worship at in South C is sandwiched between 4 or maybe 5 Mosques but this does not cause me sleepless nights because to me it is a wakeup call that my faith needs to become a lifestyle and not a once a week activity.
So Doctor Ndemo, should the Muslims and immigrant/refugee Somalis be concerned about their continued stay in Kenya when you take over as president?
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________________________________ From: Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> To: robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wed, 17 August, 2011 10:05:16 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Bitange for President? Xenophobia
I think bwana Bitange is right.
Everyone I know is talking about the Somalis buying up property but its not discussed in public forums and we never hear their side of the story. Their faith along with the often quoted Abuja declaration doesn't help matters either. We need to talk about it and in as open a manner as possible and get their side of the story if there is one for the populace to be at ease. Otherwise the other citizens start feeling caged in and react violently and lead to anarchy which will probably happen anyway if history is to be relied on.e
-- Regards,
Mark Mwangi
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