On Mon, 5 Dec 2016, 05:11 Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet, <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Ali,Easy :-).It was a consensus document by students learning Internet Governance. And the consensus was reached because participants were made to stay up until 1am (It happens in real life anyway). So some gave up so that they can catch up with their sleep. Just that you know, those who played the role of government and put that clause allowing "some shutdowns" were actually civil society practitioners in real life :)Have you ever noticed how people change when they get into government? They literally wear a different cap. Like the reminders being sent on the list requesting some information from government. It's like asking for blood donation from a housefly.Regards_______________________________________________On 5 December 2016 at 05:44, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:MwendwaThanks for sharing this. I'm of the hardline stance. No Internet Shutdowns. Period. Let me share some excerpts:-
- We also recognize that there are cases when Internet shutdowns are a means to ensuring the wellbeing of citizens, such as during cyber attacks from outside the country, military attacks and terrorist activity.
- We recommend that the independent national multistakeholder commissions on Internet Shutdowns be guided by the following:
- National security and public order
- Transparency & accountability
- Freedom of Expression and Access to Information
- Necessity & proportionality
We are just opening the door to a slippery slop of legitimizing such actions. Can you imagine a Government in Africa calling 'Mulit-Stakeholders' together to determine a shutdown? You will just have a bunch of rubber stumpers trooping to 'Government House' to lend their hand.We stand a snowball's chance in hell before that happens. Having said that I do appreciate the efforts that have gone into this and commend all the players who were involved in drafting this. If nothing else it will continue to highlight the risks we continue to face.Ali HusseinPrincipalHussein & Associates+254 0713 601113"Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-GyörgyiSent from my iPadSpeaking of declarations Grace Mutung'u,The African School on Internet Governance (AFRISIG) class of 2016, in their practicum came up with a statement on Internet shutdown. All stakeholder groups, including Government, Civil Society, Academia, Business, and Technical community agreed that the statement was balanced http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/statement-on-an-intentional-internet-shutdown/It took 4 days to produce the statement through wider consultations and consensus building. Probably this is a statement that can be expounded upon.RegardsOn 3 December 2016 at 21:39, Grace Mutung'u via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:Poncelet,Thank you for sharing. I cannot imagine the effect of a 52 hour complete and deliberate shutdown. We are glad to have you back online. Welcome back!I agree with you that we must continue to promote the African Declaration, now more than ever. Incidentally, I have not come across any pronouncements by the African Union on this matter of Internet shutdowns. Have you?Regards,PS: The African Declaration is here: http://africaninternetrights.org/2016-12-03 17:24 GMT+03:00 Ali Hussein via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>:Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nmutungu%40gmail.comPonceletCongratulations to all in The Gambia. And to the incumbent for accepting the defeat even with the shut down he initiated.One other thing..We can actually calculate the cost of Internet Shutdowns. Last year countries lost $2.4 billion. See link:-Ali Hussein
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Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with.On Sat, Dec 3, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Poncelet Ileleji via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.comPonceletKind RegardsWell enjoy the weekend, have loads to say, but will talk later on this.We need to promote more and more the African Declaration of Internet rights so our leaders know it matters in the true sense of the word the economic loss alone, we cant quantify, the joy here in the Gambia its basically the digital natives those born after the outgoing leader came to power 1994 that basically voted him out,Hi Grace,It was 52 Hours complete shutdown starting 8"08pm on election eve on the 30th of Nov and it was officially announced on TV that it was going to be down no secret about it,International Lines cut off too later local SMS weas also cut off, we came back online 12:30pm yesterday coincidentally after the incumbent had conceded defeat to the Coalition flag bearer ending 22 years of his rule.On 2 December 2016 at 01:06, Grace Mutung'u via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:_______________________________________________Listers,Internet shutdowns are almost becoming a part of African elections and reports indicate that Gambia has taken this step ahead of elections tomorrow. With an added twist- calls also seem to be blocked.A few months ago we discussed the Ugandan shutdown where we went at length into the techniques employed, including electricity blackouts. With our own elections round the corner, a few questions:Is anyone concerned that Kenya may also have a shutdown come elections?In the (hopefully hypothetical) case that we had a shutdown, who would effect it? ISPs? MNOs? Kenya Power?And who would give the orders? The Government? The Regulator?Hoping that these are just hypothetical musings.Grace--Grace L.N. Mutung'u
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