Listers, If anyone has access to a legal definition of ICT, internationally recognised, please share on the list so that we can all move forward with a common understanding. John Kariuki. Sent from Samsung Mobile -------- Original message -------- From: Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: To: ngethe.kariuki2007@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Ahmed Mohamed Maawy <ultimateprogramer@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya's ICT Practioners Bill: Pay 46K per year for license to practice! As if its not enough to go to a University to pay to get a degree. Historically every red-taped innovation company has failed in its own inability to Innovate. We do not need to go any further than companies like BlackBerry who's app store approval process sometimes even took ages. They ended up selling off after being corporate giants with a force to recon, because less red-taped innovation outfits came up (iPhones and Androids). On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 8:48 PM, Grace Githaiga via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Listers I have changed the subject of this thread to its rightful title, since this discussion is not based on the Draft ICT Policy. The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. It has interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. Read the draft bill here: http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic... Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 20:18:12 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] FW: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy From: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke CC: arebacollins@gmail.com To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com Skunkworks should regulate ICT in kenya. J From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+arebacollins=gmail.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of DigitalTVAfrica via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Reply-To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, 5 July 2016 8:08 pm To: Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com> Cc: DigitalTVAfrica <wainaina@DigitalTVAfrica.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] FW: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy This brings up the question of the Computer Society of Kenya (CSK) led by Waudo Siganga.....versus the new ICTAK led by Kamotho Njenga / Selasio Kiura. What was the criteria for picking which of these and any others will basically regulate the ICT "profession"? ------------ ICTAK "While I did not intend to comment on the contents of the Bill, I can't help but notice that one ICT Association of Kenya will have the arduous task of appointing five (out of nine) people to the Council that will regulate professionals (Section 4). Pray tell, who is this association?" CSK (on their website) "The Computer Society of Kenya is the recognized association for Information, Communication and Technology industries and professionals in Kenya, attracting large and active membership from all levels of the IT industry and providing a wide range of services to its 6,000 + members." On Tuesday, July 5, 2016, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Interesting developments Alex. My initial reaction after reading the Bill is, questions questions questions: First of all, why would anyone conceive such an idea? To cure what problem? How will it better society as a whole? If indeed there was a problem to be addressed, couldn't the same have been dealt with in the policy process first? Assuming this Bill emanated from the Ministry, why would the Ministry undertake a policy review process and at the same time undertake a legal process to regulate the profession? And why is regulation of ICT professionals not even mentioned in the draft policy? We are always ready to engage and I am shocked to have learnt of the process so far in the day. Or did ICT professionals have a processes the outcome of which is this Bill? Speaking of a profession, what is the ICT profession? I see the Bill has attempted a definition at section 2 but isn't ICTs the most dynamic and cross cutting "profession" we have? Was there a study done to support such a disruptive regulation of the profession? Are there other countries that regulate their geeks this much? So what informed this legislation? Think of all the young people who eke a living from ICT related businesses. Why would anyone want to subject all these youth, together with those graduating from colleges and universities to one more hurdle before they can start working? Can't we leave it to the market to separate the very good practitioners from the average ones? I do not understand the Kenyan obsession with ever regulating professions. What I know is that it is expensive for parents to perpetually pay fees before their (overgrown) children can finally get employment. It is also an additional cost to businesses as they have to foot the cost of compliance for the various professionals they employ or outsource. Finally, what are our legislative priorities in this sector? I would have thought the Data Protection framework is more urgent and maybe a Cyber Security one. While I did not intend to comment on the contents of the Bill, I can't help but notice that one ICT Association of Kenya will have the arduous task of appointing five (out of nine) people to the Council that will regulate professionals (Section 4). Pray tell, who is this association? Regards, 2016-07-05 14:03 GMT+03:00 Alex Watila via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>: FYI -----Original Message----- From: nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com [mailto:nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Schofield Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:37 AM To: nairobi-gnu@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [nairobilug] Draft National ICT policy This could be a crushing blow to Kenya's ICT industry. If the USA had such a law then so many of their major ICT companies would never have happened. To name but 2, neither Steve Jobs nor Bill Gates gained any formal ICT qualifications, in fact neither of them passed a degree in anything. Several of the leading Linux kernel developers have no formal ICT training. Tim On 4 July 2016 at 14:04, Tony White <tony.mzungu@gmail.com> wrote:
...and *this*:
http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCo
mmunicationTechnologyPractitioners_Bill_2016.pdf
Which was introduced in the National Assembly last week, which will rquire all ICT 'practitioners' to be licenced (annually!!) and registered, with examination of qualifications, and ongoing 'training'!!
Phew!!
Tony
On 04/07/2016, Ibrahim Ng'eno <eebrah@gmail.com> wrote:
Y'all have seen this[1], yes?
[1] http://www.information.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Draft-Nationa l-ICT-Policy-20June2016.pdf
-- Ibrahim
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