Allow me to share this

"Until you dig a hole, you plant a tree, you water it and make it survive, you haven't done a thing. You are just talking."

Wangari Maathai

Founder, 

Greenbelt Movement and Nobel Laureate 

P THINK GREEN. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to! 

On 6 July 2016 at 23:32, Kelvin Mutuma via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

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Here is something I shared on the NairobiGNU mailing list before I joined this forum.

If this bill existed in some countries, including the USA. We would probably not have the following companies

1. Apple - Started by Steve Jobs who dropped out of college.
2. Microsoft - Started by Bill Gates who dropped out of Harvard. Paul Allen the co-founder was also a dropout
3. Facebook - Started by Mark Zuckerberg who dropped out of Havard
4. Dell - Started by Micheal Dell who dropped out of University of Texas.
5. Twitter, Square - The current CEO, Jack Dorsey who dropped out of NYU. Twitter co-founder Evan Williams also dropped out of college.
6. Oracle - Larry Elison dropped out of University of Chicago.
7. Plaxo, Napster, Airtime - Formed by Sean Parker who never attended college. He was also an early employee of Facebook
8. WhatsApp - Jan Koum, the founder is also a drop out of San Jose State University
9. Asana - Dustin Moskovitz who was also the first employee of facebook dropped out of Harvard in his sophomore year.
10. Nintendo - The 3rd president, Hiroshi Yamauchi, a dropout of Waseda University was responsible for converting the then small card-making company to a gaming powerhouse
11. Valve Corporation - Gabe Newell was a havard dropout. Valve is responsible for the Half-Life game series and Gabe was also the founder of Steam.
12. Wipro - Azim Premji was a dropout at Stanford. He later went back to finish school after he was tired of being called a "College Dropout"
13. Tumblr - David Karp founded this at 15
14. Digg - Kevin Rose, dropped out of the University of Nevada.
15. Reddit - co-founder, Aaron Hillel Swartz was a drop out. We was also a major contributer to Creative Common license, the markdown standard and RSS which has revolutionalized how we get news.
16. Bittorrent - Bram Cohen dropped out of SUNY Buffalo
17. Threadless, the community based t-shirt company
18. Disney - Walt Disney was a drop out.


I am sure I have missed a few more large companies. 

Not to mention the thousands of contributors to open source and people working in both large and small IT firms that are in high school, currently in college and those that dropped out. Also other ‘uncertified’ people that were part of the founding teams of these companies that we’ve never heard of.

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  1. Re: Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views (Harry Delano)
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 21:54:00 +0300
From: Harry Delano <harry26001@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
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Always good to have you back, Bwana Daktari. We miss your valuable &
insightful contributions of yore..

I was just about to respond to Kulubi's contribution, when your post came
up. It aptly sums it up..! In an earlier post I alluded to some 14 years
that have been nothing short of a truly amazing, tremendous story in the
ICT space, why..?  Because during this time, the previously heavily
regulated space opened up and was liberalized and  from there on, there was
no looking back, and everyone can attest to the achievements to date in the
sector. Again why..? Because, while those with regulatory mandate and
oversight had all within their power to further stifle innovation and
growth, they instead wisely chose  to only promote a regulatory framework
that sought to create an enabling environment for this space to thrive. And
towards this, you played your rightful role, facilitating and  engaging
constantly  with stakeholders even right  here on this forum. With one
single stroke of a pen, we can build on or lay to waste post-haste what we
achieved over the period.  So be forewarned..  But again,  who is listening
out here..??


Thanks James for putting  the whole bill into perspective..

Regards,
Harry

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Bitange Ndemo via kictanet <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Here we shall kill innovation and set ourselves back to 25 years ago.
Good people, let us stop this by all means.


Ndemo.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:41 PM, James Kulubi via kictanet <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

The fact that the Bill has been presented to Parliament before the ICT
Policy review process is completed means that it will be very difficult to
administer it when enacted into law. Usually, the policy sets vision and
mission for the sector for a foreseeable future. The policy may have a
human resource development component. The policy is then implemented
through legislation, government budget and regulations. When I read the
reason and memorandum of the bill, the only policy statement that I can see
is ?to establish a legal framework for the training, registration,
licensing, practice and standards of Information Communication Technology
(ICT) professionals in Kenya.?
The ICT practitioners bill therefore creates some unusual situation.
Those who can remember, we in the ICT sector faced a similar situation in
the period 2005 ? 2007. There were many people supporting the legislation
of the Media Bill but there were serious disagreements on the media council
membership; licensing of media practitioners; the role of the government;
the role of the media owners; regulation of print and electronic media,
offences, and the financing of the Council.
The government, for instance, while supporting the establishment of the
Media Council, did not want the Council to be financed from foreign
sources. On the other hand, some media practitioners did not want to be
financed by the government.  The middle ground was funding by member
subscriptions and accreditation. This too was opposed by many media
practitioners.
Eventually, a policy was developed through public consultation covering
such aspects as media ownership, accreditation of journalists, code of
conduct of journalists and the broadcasting code, etc.
In my view the policy informing the  ICT professional bill should have
borrowed heavily from the outcome of current ICT policy review process and
been subjected to wider stakeholder consultation. The following issues, for
instance, require wider consultation.
1. The definition provided for ICT practitioner which I quote ?ICT
practitioner (ICTP)" means a person registered under this Act as an ICT
practitioner who is also licensed under section 20 to practice? is vague,
misleading and may be viewed as discriminating.
2. Many ICT professionals qualify or are already registered by other
organizations. These include those in fields like Telecommunication
Engineering, Computer Engineering, Medical Information Systems, financial
information systems, etc.
3. The eligibility for registration which is stated as ?holder of at
least a bachelor's degree in an ICT related field from a recognized
university,? is vague and can be abused. Already, we have other fields like
engineering where applicants for registration are suffering due to this
condition. Graduates from countries like USSR which offer MSc as first
degrees cannot be registered. Similarly, those with Higher National Diploma
who have gone ahead to get MSc and even PhD cannot be registered! Further,
in some universities like Maseno all degree programmes have an extension
?with ICT.? How will the Council treat these degrees?
4. Technologists have drafted another bill which is before Parliament.
How will the Technologists bill co-exist with the ICT practitioners bill?
5. There are many institutions carrying out institutional accreditation
and certification of ICT practitioners. How will such accreditation and
certification be treated by the Council?
Best regards,
Prof. James Kulubi


On Wednesday, 6 July 2016, 19:10, Wangari Kabiru via kictanet <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:


Blessed Wednesday!
A handshake to the 2014 article!
There is a great opportunity for Techies to take their rightful place as
professionals and be invited to give valued contributions to the nation
building table.
As I said earlier, non-Techs will be there. Perhaps another
classification within the broader "ICT Professional".
*ICT Practitioners - sounds like a very broad term to attempt to compact
and create shared guidelines/standards.
On the said ICT Practitioners Bill - it seems that part of the issue is
with regard to who is/are behind it. All in all, to have gotten a hearing,
it means this is an organised group.
Which is perhaps what this community might seek to engage with and build
together before "shooting the innovator".
Blessed day.
Regards/Wangari
On Jul 6, 2016 15:47, Alex Watila via kictanet <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

Thanks Walu,
What is the way forward on the bill?

Regards,

Alex


*From:* Walubengo J [mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com]
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*Subject:* Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views

@Alex, @Muthuri,

Thnx for 'bursting' me @


http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fkiz/-/index.html



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This is sheer madness!

We already have legislation (unconstitutional at that) requiring licensing of any kind of research (Science, Technology and Innovation Act of 2015, Article 12). Was this new dispensation aimed at regulating every liberty we have even those that are natural? Regulation always opens the door for bureaucratic abuse. This stinks of the same colonial attitude that prevented indigenous people from growing cash crops. Whoever came up with this bill was of the mindset 'if you can't innovate then ride in their coat tails'!

Please can someone stop this madness?!

With kind regards,
Paul K Korir, PhD
Ordnung mu? sein

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