Quoting Harry Delano <
harry@comtelsys.co.ke>:
>
> --
> Gilda,
>
> We are awaiting you to unveil the 6 gents/ladies Task force on ICT below -
> specifically, their
> mandate/objectives who they are accountable to, and it's scope of
> participatory engagement with
> the wider multi stakeholders..
>
> When is this coming..?
>
> Regards,
> Harry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=
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> [mailto:
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> Behalf Of
godera@skyweb.co.ke
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:39 AM
> To:
harry@comtelsys.co.ke
> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
>
>
> Listers,
>
> I think this is a very healthy debate for the industry.
> Esther, whereas whatever body will face the same queries over their mandate,
> in my view, what is most important is that each respective body plays it
> part to the full and possibly even surpass the expectations of the industry.
> As long as they are all forging towards one goal (making Kenya the ICT Hub
> in Africa)in all their activities, the industry will have gained.
> What is important is that all these bodies do not fight each other, rather
> complement one another to grow this industry.
> We must all work together for good of this industry and nation.
>
> Gilda Odera
> Chair, BPO/ITES Working Group at the Office of the Prime Minister
>
> (For those not aware, a group of 6 persons from Private Sector and
> Government was recently put together for a two year term to advise on all
> these issues
> being raised in this list. Your views are being noted.)
>
> Quoting Esther Muchiri <
emuchiri@andestbites.com>:
>
> > Good suggestions Harry, but while I am not a pessimist, I have a
> > feeling that with time, whatever body will be formed will still face
> > the same attacks/questions from the industry on the mandate etc
> >
> >
> >
> > Perhaps the upcoming public forum will begin to shed some light in the
> > direction ICT development in Kenya should follow?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=
andestbites.com@
lists.kictanet.or.ke
> > [mailto:
kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=
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lists.kictanet.or.ke
> > ] On Behalf Of Harry Delano
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 6:21 PM
> > To:
emuchiri@andestbites.com
> > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lilian,
> >
> >
> > This is so comprehensive.. Hope, notes are being taken from these
> > resourceful discussions coming in.
> >
> >
> >
> > Mine, is just a proposal. Clearly, the different agencies existing,
> > happen to work within some form of
> >
> > mandate in their own areas of jurisdiction or so, whether the mandates
> > are competing mandates or
> >
> > a duplication, it may be quite difficult to just "merge" them..
> >
> >
> >
> > Clearly, Listers - one thing that is now clear, is that ICT is a huge
> > phenomenon, that cuts' out across
> >
> > the entire spectrum of Govt and ministries - beyond INFOCOM. This
> > means, stakeholders from other
> >
> > Govt. sectors need to be brought into the fold to harmonize strategy..
> >
> >
> >
> > I suppose therefore, this may call for an oversight body - to which,
> > each of the Govt agencies can have a
> >
> > representation. This oversight, could encompass reps, from all
> > sectors, private , and govt. All interests
> >
> > should be declared as a pre-requisite to serving on this panel for
> > purposes of accountability and
> >
> > transparency..
> >
> >
> >
> > If in order, I could float some names for such a body, such as:-
> >
> >
> >
> > * National ICT Task Force - (NICTAF)
> > * National ICT Agency of Kenya - (NICTAK)
> > * National ICT Oversight Board -(NICTOB)
> >
> > Other names are welcome..
> >
> >
> >
> > Harry
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: kictanet-bounces+harry=
comtelsys.co.ke@
lists.kictanet.or.ke
> > [mailto:
kictanet-bounces+harry=
comtelsys.co.ke@
lists.kictanet.or.ke]
> > On Behalf Of Lilian Karanja
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:43 AM
> > To:
harry@comtelsys.co.ke
> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, Robert.......I see.
> >
> >
> >
> > Certainly, what GoK needs is ICT Governance. "Without governance you
> > do not produce good decisions consistently. 'Governance' in the
> > context of the management of ICT crafts a clear framework in which
> > decisions are made, who makes the decisions about business and
> > technology developments, who has input into the decision-making process
> and how the decisions are formed".
> >
> >
> >
> > In my opinion, the ICT Board (under Min. Of Info Comm), the
> > Directorate of e-Government (under OP), the GITS Department (under
> > Min. Of Finance), and both the CCK and NCS (both under Min. Of Info
> > Comm) seem to have related ICT goals and objectives. They
> > (unfortunately) don't seem to oftenly collaborate in their
> > decision-making. I personally like the idea of a KITA like SITA/RITA.
> > Sometime ago, the Directorate of e-Government seemed to come-up into a
> > KITA (in the way we think of SITA/RITA), but did not 'mature' into the
> institution envisioned.
> >
> > GoK ICT Governance Decisions would ideally focus on:
> >
> > . Determining the strategic approach to e-government and ICT
> within
> > GoK
> >
> > . How the e-government initiatives should be used in GoK, to
> improve
> > services, reduce costs, develop the community, etc
> >
> > . How fundamental e-government and ICT is to GoK and the country
> at
> > large
> >
> > . The way e-government and ICT is to be managed (e.g. by what
> > mechanism and how resources are to be managed)
> >
> > . The way investments are to be made and policies on realising
> and
> > sharing benefits
> >
> > . How the required skills are to be procured (through strategic
> > partnerships, in-house, through consortium, etc)
> >
> > . The principles that underlie the ICT architecture
> >
> > . Setting priorities and determining e-government and ICT
> > investment programmes
> >
> > . Managing the foundations and regulations regarding the core
> > elements of the infrastructure:
> >
> > o Personnel - who will be responsible for their professional development
> > and where certain skills should reside
> >
> > o Methods and techniques - what project/programme management,
> development
> > and operations management standards should be used
> >
> > o Charging mechanisms and services standards (performance management)
> >
> > o Information - standards to enable the effective sharing of information
>
> >
> > o Core applications - intranet, finance systems, payroll, registries
> and
> > personnel standards, etc
> >
> > o Technical - network, consolidated service desk, data standards
> >
> > o Security
> >
> > o Legal
> >
> >
> >
> > This has conspicuously missed within GoK, in the past years. We look
> > to GoK greatly to spur 'mwananchi' by keenly committing to 'add value'
> > to broadband so that their attitude, confidence and appreciation
> > towards the use ICTs and the Internet increases (especially in the
> > rural areas, as they access Government e-Services), thus creating an
> > Internet Community and an IT culture. Am not sure we necessarily need
> > support from outside to do this, even donor funds (we don't need). We
> > can do it on our own, as we (Kenya) are, now, known to be an emerging
> > knowledge economy. GoK can lead the way to create a Kenyan way
> > 'working with'and using ICT. We have so many Youth (any way), who are
> > jobless! Lets purposefully develop capacity of these young and use them
> sufficiently.
> >
> >
> >
> > I rest my case, and I apologise for any misunderstandings.
> >
> >
> >
> > LILIAN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 4/6/10, robert yawe <
robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: robert yawe <
robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
> > Subject: Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
> > To: "Lilian Karanja" <
l_wkaranja@yahoo.com>
> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:32 AM
> >
> > Hi Lilian,
> >
> >
> >
> > Just wanted to clarify an issue, government has some of the best
> > trained ICT fellows and I know because I have regularly interacted
> > with them for over 10 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that they
> > are no fancy websites or iphone applications the men and women who
> > keep the government systems running are basically miracle workers.
> >
> >
> >
> > How they do it is beyond my comprehension and the last thin they need
> > is a capacity building what they need like all with the other areas of
> > government is a co-ordinator or a Deputy Prime Minister IS. Hon Raila
> > has definitely moved government efficiency a notch higher and without
> > a "dream team" or expatriate consultants all he did was dust off the
> diamonds within.
> >
> >
> >
> > Government has a beautiful retention strategy which is we pay you for
> > 2 hours a day and we expect you to only deliver the paid for work, if
> > you are unable to find something profitable to do with the balance 6
> > hours then that is your problem.
> >
> >
> >
> > What we need is a deputy prime minister information systems or ICT or
> > BPO whatever the name of which KICTB has proven not to be to "desilo"
> > (term coined by Dr. Ndemo during the PM Round table meeting) the
> > government activities.
> >
> >
> >
> > Can you government ICT gurus stick your heads out and defend your
> > selves, I know many of you are on this listing, so be warned that next
> > time I need to put the record strait on your behalf I will actually name
> names.
> >
> >
> > Robert Yawe
> > KAY System Technologies Ltd
> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
> > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> > Kenya
> >
> > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >
> > From: Lilian Karanja <
l_wkaranja@yahoo.com>
> > To:
robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 16:58:41
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
> >
> >
> > Dear PS:
> >
> >
> >
> > It is a little discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed
> > in this topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in
> > Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about
> > the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all, in
> > Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for economic growth
> > and development. So, please don't stop listening to us, patiently and
> > we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in dealing with these matters.
> >
> >
> >
> > This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is it
> > a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that should be
> > addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you have noted, a
> > town hall meeting is good and always welcome. However, moving forward,
> > it needs to be clear how ICT Board interacts with Government and how
> > it promotes the existence of an Institutional Framework for ICT
> > management in Government. Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge
> > chunk of donor funds for ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the
> > likes (through the KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their
> ICT technical know-how and skills.
> >
> >
> >
> > While one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is Capacity Building
> > (Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and
> > funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development)
> > over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by
> > Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of legacy
> > systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management, meagre IT Security
> > (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But
> > may be it is not deliberate laxity, it is that the Government Officers
> > who manage IT issues in Government are not continuously trained in all
> pertinent areas to raise experts and skillful personnel.
> >
> >
> >
> > I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say that part
> > of their mandate is Capacity Building, otherwise we have Government
> > Officers who cannot do much to use broadband properly and
> > strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality. The cabilities of
> > these Officers should be close to, if not better than those in the
> > private sector. And when GoK finally has real experts and engineers in
> > ICT, a retention strategy MUST be adopted to keep them and recompense
> > them accordingly. This is the future of Government IT, 'people who are
> knowledgeable and focused on a bright future'.
> >
> >
> >
> > LILIAN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 4/4/10,
bitange@jambo.co.ke <
bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From:
bitange@jambo.co.ke <
bitange@jambo.co.ke>
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
> > To: "Lilian" <
l_wkaranja@yahoo.com>
> > Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> > Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM
> >
> > Barrack,
> > Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it will be
> > wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had on
> Malili.
> > Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create these
> > agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only
> > when you point out where there are gaps.
> >
> > The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only one
> > person did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya
> kuchongoana tu.
> > Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy proposals that
> > I really think should push through then arouse sufficient interest
> > from the membership here.
> >
> >
> > Ndemo.
> >
> >
> > > This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this questions
> > > are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can someone provide
> > > us with a list of all agencies involved in ICTs and ICT4D so that we
> > > can do some tooth comb analysis, i saw a post from Paul on what the
> > > board has achieved early this year, that was very much in order we
> > > need something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <
volunga@yahoo.com
> > <
http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=volunga@yahoo.com> > wrote:
> > >> There is also another body , National Communications Secretarait.
> > >> What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two
> > >> bodies relate with respect to advisory services to the governement
> > >> on ICT matters?
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Vitalis
> > >>
> > >> ________________________________
> > >> From: robert yawe <
robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk
> > <
http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
> > >
> > >> To:
volunga@yahoo.com
> > <
http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=volunga@yahoo.com>
> > >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <
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> > <
http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.
> >
or.ke>
> > >
> > >> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try
> > >> reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do
> > >> anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT
> > >> which includes your microwave oven and copier.
> > >> Functions of Kenya ICT Board
> > >> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the Kenya
> > >> Gazette Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007:
> > >> . To advice the government on all relevant matters pertaining to
> > >> development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion of
> > >> ICT industries in the country.
> > >> . Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for
> > >> investments in ICT technology . Facilitate and manage ICT
> > >> industrial incubation parks and technology parks together with
> > >> associated facilities on sites, estates and land.
> > >> . Partner with agents within and without the country to carry out
> > >> such functions as it may consider necessary.
> > >> . To transform and empower society through deployment and use of ICTs.
> > >> . Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products
> > >> and services.
> > >> Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes you
> > >> guessed it I still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi.
> > >> Regards
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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