I think it's totally in order going forward to start getting official stats on OTTs considering their increased role in Kenya's ecosystem. I however don't agree that Telcos are making losses due to the OTTs like WhatsApp. Nowhere is it required that because you use telco X you use their SMSs now and in the future. Everyday they have to offer value to you as a customer to convince you keep using their services. On 25 May 2016 23:04, <kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Send kictanet mailing list submissions to kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kictanet-request@lists.kictanet.or.ke You can reach the person managing the list at kictanet-owner@lists.kictanet.or.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Whatsapp Users in Kenya; Total No? (Baiju Shah) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Baiju Shah <baiju@telemedia.co.ke> To: Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi@fb.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 23:02:51 +0300 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Whatsapp Users in Kenya; Total No? Hi Ebele, In my view of being transparent and to demonstrate that you have a recognition of the Kenyan customers using your services will be interesting for the group. Telco operators like Orange, Equitel, Airtel and Safaricom do have a good idea of the losses that face when a user chooses to use whatsapp for their voice and messaging needs. Therefore, consider sharing some stats with the group, maybe the Communications Authority can make is mandatory to report the usage of the different services may be or the operators can submit the required figures of their loss to what's app. Thanks, Best Regards, Baiju On 25 May 2016, at 22:47, Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi@fb.com> wrote: I think there is a bit of confusion about what regulatory requirements apply to WhatsApp or to Facebook on this thread, as well as a misunderstanding of my reply. WA has not released numbers for any countries, and there is no regulatory requirement that WhatsApp do so. Facebook does release Kenya numbers, voluntarily. It's not clear to me what "shame" has to do with this conversation, but I'm always happy to be educated! Ebele Okobi | Head of Public Policy, Africa m. +44 (0) 771 156 1315 <+44%20(0)%20771%20156%201315> 10 Brock Street | London | NW1 3FG ebeleokobi@fb.com [image: 6F376569-CC77-422B-BAD3-794055B1E02B] On May 25, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Baiju Shah via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Hi All, All mobile companies in Kenya will be able to tell you how much biz they are loosing to .what's app in terms of subscribers and further more the loss of sms traffic will provide a good yardstick. Else, get the CA to ask FB for the numbers that is easy and they Will provide the numbers if they want to comply with regulatory requirements. FB - please provide the numbers it is nothing to be ashamed about. Thanks, Best Regards, Baiju On 25 May 2016 21:45, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Those are very possible numbers considering even my grandma is on our family whatsapp group..:-) *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ke.linkedin.com_in_alihkassim&d=CwMFaQ&c=5VD0RTtNlTh3ycd41b3MUw&r=ArvepG4_wcNu_X9xi3nb_Xa9WsGLVfmK6mwPdVONOTE&m=tJwFdWWdverW-WSEjzRy7A50oBiTS7GibZWfEmYFdhw&s=CxJMAWSFI_Kb0MfHp5yLZy70ILNNJNA5CBf6pw-J3Ac&e=> "Discovery consists in seeing what everyone else has seen and thinking what no one else has thought". ~ Albert Szent-Györgyi Sent from my iPad On 25 May 2016, at 8:12 PM, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: The CEO of Ongair estimated today at #WhatsNextMedia that there more than 8m people on Whatsapp Sidney Touched not typed from my Infinix Z3 On 25 May 2016 7:14 pm, "Ebele Okobi via kictanet" < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Unfortunately, we don't have public by country numbers-apologies!
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On May 25, 2016, at 4:26 PM, Ebele Okobi via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Apologies for the delay-far too much travel. I’m not sure if we have public figures for WhatsApp by country-I’ll inquire internally and revert. Best, Ebele
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From: kictanet <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke> on behalf of Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Reply-To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Monday, May 16, 2016 at 4:59 PM To: Ebele Okobi <ebeleokobi@fb.com> Cc: Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Whatsapp Users in Kenya; Total No?
Hello Listers,
Is there any study, research or commentary that indicates the No of Whatsapp users in Kenya (i.e registered to a .KE no)
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