Hi Listers, Just felt that this is a topic that needs to be kept alive until we get some serious resolutions, it is one thing to scream about local content and another providing the enabling environment. We currently have no reliable application hosting and collection service providers I had thought that with the bashing by Safaricom of the incumbent ISPs they would have gone off to develop other areas, but from what is happening they might also be beaten to this by big green. It is time those claiming to run incubators for developers realise that without reliable and cost effective hosting and collocation facilities the tools they are providing shall remain theoretical. To a web developer hosting space is more critical than office space as their work place is virtual, so providing office space still leaves 60 - 80% of the recurrent project budget going to hosting and collocation. This is one of the times when I think we are justified in calling on KICT Board and the Ministry for Information to help. Today the average cost of collocation for a 2U rack space is US $ 400/- per month and a server costs about US 1,500/- which is the bear minimum for a redundant setup you require at least 6 U space, 2 servers and a firewall/switch. If there is someone out there who can provide the service for less and is connected to KIXP please stand and be counted. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696