In addition to the matter of changing the script, any practicing filmmaker is aware that a script or screenplay is only a blueprint. As a screenwriter, I know only too well that the finished film is never the exact copy of the screenplay. It doesn't make sense to rate screenplays.Regards,Mildred Achoch.Moral beliefs aside, I thought KFCB was moving from censorship to classification. Would it not have sufficed to classifying the film as only appropriate for adults and give warning if it contained violence, nudity and "lgbtqia" ?Our policy makers should also trust we, the society that donates them the power they wield, are reasonable human beings who can make good choices.PS: The paragraph in the letter implying that an artist must refer to the Board while changing a script is just sad. In a country where we want to grow the arts?
Il lunedì 30 aprile 2018, Sidney Ochieng via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> ha scritto:Athar,Actually this does affect ICT policy. The Kenya Film Classification Board, according to its chair and the board itself, has the power to block(viewing/distribution) of not just films but really any video it deems to violate so called "morals and values" of Kenya. This a a threat not just to free speech but any businesses that make/distribute/sell videos online. The extremes of this were demonstrated when the board chair claimed that the video of that unfortunate deputy governor that surfaced the last couple of weeks was not authorised by the board and should be taken down. This was video that was taken by someones cellphone. Does that mean I need to check with KFCB every time I want to take a video on my phone? Could this be used one day to come after me if I took video of corruption happening? The censorship powers of the KFCB are far to broad.Hiding behind article 45 of the constitution is an impressive bit of slight of hand by the board. LGBTI community is not looking to get married, yet, they want to be treated as human beings.All this said I think it's time we got rid of the penal code in its entirety.On 30 April 2018 at 16:49, Athar Ahmad Bhatti via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:Admin please. This is an ICT policy group. The topic of discussion does not correspond to the purpose. In any case I stand for the survival of the human race and not baseless thrills.On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 4:43 PM, Erick Mwangi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/atharab%40gmail.comThe minute one is judged by others rather than by reality, things become warped. Because incentives, biases, and politics obscure reality’s feedback loops. Gatekeepers keep gates far worse than a crowd of buyers.E Njoroge MwangiTechnology| FINTECH | Big DataCell +44 7539372742Skype: Erick.mwangiOn Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 2:33 PM, Wamathai (HapaKenya) via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/erick.mwangi%40gmail.comLet me add this one as wellOn Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 16:30 Ebele Okobi via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/w%40hapakenya.comMore data on homosexuality across pre-colonial Africa-_______________________________________________
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Is Christianity, brought to Kenya by colonizers, “Kenyan culture”? How so?
If so, doesn’t saying that it is mean that culture evolves, since Kenyan culture predates the introduction of Christianity by millennia?
If culture evolves, then what does it mean to say something is not part of one’s culture?
Finally-I’m not Kenyan. I’m Igbo, from south eastern Nigeria. Igbos had, prior to colonization, thousands of years of culture, worshipping many gods. One commonly accepted practice was women husbands-same sex marriage, in which women could take other women as wives, and those wives would bear children for their women husbands.
The British were repulsed by this, and after they brought their religion (plus the slave trade, the disenfranchisement of women, the attempt to destroy the system of republican democracy that had operated in Igboland for centuries) they banned such relationships. after this, we can now have people who say same sex marriage is against Igbo culture.
The theft of cultural knowledge is truly a crime without end.
On Apr 30, 2018, at 2:02 PM, Twahir Hussein Kassim via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Reading from the preamble to the constitution, I would like to give my thoughts below within the text of the constitution copied from a previous email
CONSTITUTION OF KENYAPREAMBLE
ACKNOWLEDGING the supremacy of the Almighty God of all creation:My belief is that this is a declaration within the constitution that the supremacy of The Almighty is ABOVE ALL. I doubt if there is any religion that accepts LGBT relationships to be fine. Going back to the scripts we will NOTE a whole nation being destroyed due to this very act. Whether Kenya has a state religion or not GAY relations shouldn't be ok.
HONOURING those who heroically struggled to bring freedom and justice to our land:
PROUD of our ethnic, cultural and religious diversity, and determined to live in peace and unity as one indivisible sovereign nation:
Proud of ethnic diversity, none of our diverse culture agree with this act. Am not refuting that it has been practised for donkey years; however NEVER has it been FORCED DOWN our throats to accept it as a norm. We did interact with gays before but they were not openly blatantly plying their trade. This only started when the west started pushing.
There is a LINE we as a people MUST DRAW! Come on guys!
RESPECTFUL of the environment, which is our heritage, and determined to sustain it for the benefit of future generations:
COMMITTED to nurturing and protecting the well-being of the individual, the family, communities and the nation:
RECOGNISING the aspirations of all Kenyans for a government based on the essential values of human rights, equality, freedom, democracy, social justice and the rule of law:
If we play the HUMAN RIGHT card, then why arrest a consenting adult who chooses to commit suicide? Isn't it his right to live?
Freedom comes with responsibility and most of all we OWE it to the generations to come to maintain a MORAL FABRIC that reflects us as a people! LGBT doesn't stand the test of morality if it goes against the very supreme being that we claim to acknowledge!
EXERCISING our sovereign and inalienable right to determine the form of governance of our country and having participated fully in the making of this Constitution:
ADOPT, ENACT and give this Constitution to ourselves and to our future generations.
GOD BLESS KENYA
These are my opinions, I don't mean to disrespect anyone.
Twahir
On Apr 30, 2018 15:26, "Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@Alex
I am open to any introduction and as I said the issue of morality is
subjective and conscience based. You may see gay relationship as okay and
right from your perspective. However, to another person, it may be immoral
depending on one's beliefs.
The board has also given the reasons behind the ban.
Regards
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Comninos
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 3:09 PM
To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Cc: ldinga@managecom.co.ke
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki
@Lawrence
Why is love between two consenting non-abusive people a morality issue?
Please explain?
There are many issues of morality in relationships, but what does the
sexual orientation of the partners have to do with anything?
So basically you are saying being gay is immoral, it would be nice if you
could back that up without resorting to the first testament.
Once again, I am more than willing to introduce you to my LGBT friends and
their morality. If you would like to be introduced and learn something,
contact me.
Kindly,
Alex
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 at 14:05, Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via kictanet <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
> Religion a side I think this is an issue of morality but I agree,
morality can be subjective and depends on one’s conscience.
> Regards
> From: Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet
> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:50 PM
> To: ldinga@managecom.co.ke
> Cc: Mwendwa Kivuva
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki
> KFCB always makes roadside pronouncements that would not pass any legal
threshold.
> And quoting the Bible here is imposing your religion on others who
believe in different deities.
> Ebele, No, there is no State religion in Kenya, and our constitution
recognises freedom of worship.
> Article 32 of Kenyan Constitution:
> 32. FREEDOM OF CONSCIENCE, RELIGION, BELIEF AND OPINION
> (1) Every person has the right to freedom of conscience, religion,
thought, belief and opinion.
> (2) Every person has the right, either individually or in community with
others, in public or in private, to manifest any religion or belief through
worship, practice, teaching or observance, including observance of a day of
worship.
> (3) A person may not be denied access to any institution, employment or
facility, or the enjoyment of any right, because of the person's belief or
religion.
> (4) A person shall not be compelled to act, or engage in any act, that is
contrary to the person's belief or religion.
> On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 2:36 PM Ebele Okobi via kictanet <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>> Does Kenya have a state religion?
>> On 4/30/18, 12:33 PM, "kictanet on behalf of Lawrence Dinga, CISSP via
kictanet" <kictanet-bounces+ebeleokobi=fb.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke on
behalf of kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>> Dear Alex,
>> I don’t know much about the movie but if it is about lesbianism then
it is
>> immoral and ungodly.
>> God only approves a relation between a man and a woman
>> Leviticus 18:22
>> You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
>> Genesis 2:24
>> Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast
to his
>> wife, and they shall become one flesh.
>> Regards
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alex Comninos via kictanet
>> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 2:05 PM
>> To: ldinga@managecom.co.ke
>> Cc: Alex Comninos ; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Banning of the FILM Rafiki
>> I am not sure what the film is about in its entirety, but the main
>> storyline is a lesbian romance in Nairobi. It is the first Kenyan
film to
>> be nominated for the Cannes film festival and will premiere there on
the
>> 8th of May.
>> Here is the trailer for the film
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M_-ucSaFpU
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 at 12:57, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> > What is the film about?
>> > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018, 1:55 PM Alex Comninos via kictanet <
>> kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
>> >> Hi
>> >> I was shocked to learn that the film classification board has
banned an
>> >> LGBT film, Rafiki.
>> >> Our Film and Publication Board recently attempted this but it was
>> reversed
>> >> by the courts.
>> >> Films are ICTs and we should be discussing this on the list.
>> >> I am looking forward to the discussion.
>> >> Kind regards,
>> >> Alex
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The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.
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The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.
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