On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote:
NgigiYou are absolutely right.The Safaricom example though may be misplaced...to cover those areas that are not economically viable we have the Universal Service Fund...which in my humble opinion has been snoozing on the job..
Ali Hussein+254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113"I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert EinsteinSent from my iPadRgdsI don't think the postal corporation is short of ideas on how to make money in the obvious centres, the problem is it needs to sustain its services even in areas where there is no direct commercial benefit. And in such a country as ours where development is very centralized, that means a lot of areas that postal needs to cover at a loss.As an example, what if Safaricom was mandated by law to cover equally every sector in our country, would we also ask it to make the massive profits that it makes today?
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Edwin Onchari <eonchari@lynxbits.com> wrote:The corporation can tap into commercial ventures such as courier services
for agricultural produce as well...I consume fresh "spider flower"--aka
'saga' from my native land brought to NRB each morning using PSVs. With the
corporations presence all over, this is a service they can offer and people
like myself would not mind having this delicacy delivered to my doorstep at
a fee!
Kind regards,
Edwin
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From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>
To: Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke>
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There?s more than enough market for Postel. e.g. couriers have mushroomed
all over Nairobi, that?s business that Postel could easily monopolise (they
can hire riders in various towns to deliver letters door to door). Justbecause Nairobi doesn?t have a centralised addressing system it doesn?t mean
that Postel can?t come up with their own system, which can be adapted by the
city later.?
From:?Ngigi Waithaka Ngigi Waithaka
Reply:?Ngigi Waithaka ngigi@at.co.ke
Date:?December 5, 2013 at 2:51:15 PM
To:?Phares Kariuki pkariuki@gmail.com
Subject:? Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated
Listers,Postal corporation is an irrational corporation.?
The bottomline question that plagues most Postal Services is whether they
can be ran independently and at the same time at a profit?
Postal Services provide such basic services in elementary communication that
sometimes they would need to ran, for at least an entire country to
communicate, even if they are doing so at a loss. As an example, I doubt
there is little business sense having a Post Office for the whole of Turkana
County, but, basic service delivery demands it.
In a way, and as a country, we need to look at the previous Kenya Posts &
Telecommunications as one with some parts by default probably being the
revenue earners, others due to their very nature, revenue lossers.
The targets we set Postal Services should primarily be about service
delivery & revenue generation second. It would hence make more sense if
Postal Services could guarantee delivery of parcels across the country in
say 7 days, and hence boost eCommerce significantly when everyone, including
that guy in North Horr has a distinct Postal Address rather than make a few
billion shillings in profits by closing most of the postal outlets.
Almost 2-cents worth...
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Waithaka Ngigi
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On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
They are shutting down outlets, yet it?s almost impossible to get an address
with them. The more outlets they shut down, the less valuable the entirenetwork is simply because you have fewer locations you can mail.?
We don?t need USF to expand PCK offices, we simply need rational minds
running it.?
From:?Wambua, Christopher Wambua, Christopher Reply:?Wambua, Christopher
wambua@cck.go.ke Date:?December 5, 2013 at 1:55:03 PM To:?Phares Kariuki
pkariuki@gmail.com
Subject:? Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated
Kivuva,indeed CCK encourages it. ??That is why are basing our projections on both
?
We know that interconnection exists in the postal/courier sub-sector, and
the public and private postal/courier operators. Just to summarize my two?
earlier responses, we shall realize the target by:
1.?????? Using USF to expand PCK post offices,
2.?????? Encouraging usage of postal outlets for government services hence
securing sustainability as well as expansion,3.?????? Licensing more rural private postal/courier operators
4.?????? Liberalizing where possible certain existing postal exclusive
services currently reserved for PCK to encourage growth. We have commenced a?
comprehensive study in this area to inform the review.
Best regards,
?
?
Christopher Wambua
Manager ? Communications
Consumer and Public Affairs Department
Communications Commission of Kenya
P.O. Box 14448 NAIROBI 00800
Tel: +254 20 4242209
info@cck.go.ke
www.cck.go.ke
?
?
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From: lordmwesh@gmail.com [mailto:lordmwesh@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Kivuva
Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 12:36 PM
To: Wambua, Christopher
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated
Thank you Wambua,
?
?
I had seen that especially on Page 24 of your strategic plan "6. Postal and
Courier Penetration (Population
Per Post Office and/or Courier Outlets) from 29,992 to 20,000"
consistently at a rate of 20 outlets per annum. ?
You understand the folly of relying on private couriers, they have a
discretion of deciding where to pitch their business. Do you know even
private couriers rely on Posta and EMS to reach Lokitang, Loitoktok and
Longisa?
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On 4 December 2013 21:07, Wambua, Christopher <Wambua@cck.go.ke> wrote:
Kivuva,
?
You may wish to note that, from a regulatory perspective, postal outlets
also include private courier outlets whose numbers have been growing
?
?
According to the Kenya Information and Communications Act, Cap 411A, the
post refers to any system for the delivery of postal articles. A postal
article is anything deliverable by post.
Best regards,
?
?
Christopher Wambua
Manager ? Communications
Consumer and Public Affairs Department
Communications Commission of Kenya
P.O. Box 14448 NAIROBI 00800
Tel: +254 20 4242209
info@cck.go.ke
www.cck.go.ke
?
?
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Postal Corporation Closing Outlets - regurgitated
?
There is no e-commerce without a distribution network.
?
In CCK's 5 Year strategic plan, they have promised to increase Postal
/Courier services from 28,000people/postOffice to 20,000. I asked last week
how they intend to achieve that!
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On 2 December 2013 21:03, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Listers,
?
If anyone of you can get the following link to either the Cabinet Secretary
for IC&T Dr. Matiangi and the Posta Master General Dr. Kinara please forward
it and hopefully they will realise that closing post office locations and
laying off staff is the worst thing they can do for the growth of e-commerce
in the region.
http://www.bloomberg.com/video/a-day-in-the-life-of-an-amazon-package-oFml8Y
tmTsO0dS3yjwPZng.html
?
Regards
?
?
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
unlike many of the others seems like it will come to pass.?
?
On Wednesday, 31 July 2013, 11:44, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
Hi,
Yesterday PCK launched their payment platform which allows me to regurgitate
a post, below, that I did in 2010 when I started my public campaign to be
appointed the PMG.
At the launch a clear statement was made on how the government will use the
PCK infrastructure to deliver its services to the public a position that was
many a times reiterated by Dr. Kate Getao the ICT Secretary, her strategy
??? 1.? Dr. Ndemo is no longer in charge of the Information ministry (even
The PASHA, Digital Village and most of the other initiatives have all fallen
by the wayside and the one that was ever going to be sustainable has emerged
victorious, which raises the question of what has changed in the last 100
days?
though the former minister Hon. Pogisho was prominent at the PCK launch) ???
2.? Mr. Paul Kukubo left the KICT Board ??? 3.? KICT Board to be placed
under the e-Government docket ??? 4.? A digital focused President has taken
up the reigns
??? 5.? A realisation by those in government that PCK is more than stamps ??
Regards
???
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Hi,
around the country by?Postal?Corporation. ?This is an indication of a
?
It is with shock that I read about the closing of some of the post offices
management that has no vision or?ambition?maybe as a result of using the
corporation as a retirement centre.?
?
?http://www.cck.go.ke/services/universal_access/downloads/FinalUAreport.pdf,
With us trying to achieve universal access,
shutting down post offices is a step in the wrong direction. ?It is
unfortunate that we have heard no reaction to this issue from the ministryof information, CCK or even Kenya ICTBoard. ?
?
outsorucing service and e-commerce. ?This will avoid the appointment of
It is time Postal corporation was run by someone who understands the
transitioning of the role of the postal corporation in the digital age, to
me they are the perfect platform for rolling out digital villages,
executives who are more interested in the supply of fuel, tyres and?Unfortunately most of those who have been appointed to the post of post
insurance as opposed to moving the organisations to new heights.
?
Implementation of e-mail to mail systems would reduce the costs of transport
incurred by PCK which makes up over 60% of their operational costs.
master general have no appreciation of the role of the postal services inindicators. ?
the development of the nation.
?
Do not listen to the myopic stories about the death of the postal service
because of e-mail, facebok and twitter as you and I know that a physical
item can never be delivered electronically.
?
I believe the appointment of the next post master general and by extension
the chief executive of the Kenya ICTBoard and CCK need to include vetting
and recommendations from the private sector with clearly defined performance
?
Regards
??
Robert Yawe
KAY System Technologies Ltd
Phoenix House, 6th Floor
P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
Kenya
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
?
?
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