Quoting Harry Delano <
harry@comtelsys.co.ke>:
>
> S. Murigi,
>
> Hey is it an ipad you typing on....?? Anyways, just on a lighter note...
>
> So, what could be the best way forward? It seems, we just got a whole myriad
> of organizations out here, some of them I'm hearing for the 1st time..
>
> Harry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kictanet-bounces+harry=
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> [mailto:
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> Behalf Of S.Murigi Muraya
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:25 PM
> To:
harry@comtelsys.co.ke
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
>
> About 2 years ago went to the KICTB offices then at Waiyaki Way. My purpose
> then was to find out what they were about.
>
> Was referred to a visibly irritated fellow who was done with me in less than
> 1 minute only telling me to check the KICTB website.
>
> Have waited to see what they would come up with and am not too disappointed.
> For one they organize, co sponsor or market industry events that yuppies can
> be involved in without falling asleep. Being sort of experienced in the
> professional tech skills development field this can authoritatively say this
> is one of the 'enabling situations' we have lacked locally.
>
> We need skills but companies are not willing to train unethical techies who
> jump ship immediately after being sharpened. On the other hand techies are
> unable to effectively educate themselves without corporate or tech community
> support eg.
www.ihub.co.ke
>
> Training centers are not too doing well financially & cannot hire the best
> (often more experienced) techies because corporates are not training as much
> as they should. By working with industry giants (eg Google, Microsoft,
> Oracle) & their partners the KICTB is somehow helping educate techies via
> these industry events.
>
> If anything, the KICTB needs to exist for this purpose -> to help build
> capacity in the local tech industry. They are exposing budding software
> entreprenuers to Indian outsourcing practices to name another 'situation'
> they are enabling. GITS, NCS etc do not do this as far as I know.
>
> Nimechoka - typing on a mobile.
>
> SMM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barrack Otieno <
otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2010 16:52
> To:
murigi.muraya@gmail.com
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
>
> Dr. Siganga,
>
> Your write up makes sense, i guess we have been mixing too many issues, in
> other words we handle government agencies and industry associations
> separately, sounds like the meeting is a welcome idea, i suggest government
> agencies first.
>
> Regards
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 3:03 PM, waudo siganga <
emailsignet@mailcan.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi Evans, all - we have discussed the issue of a statutory body to
> > regulate ICT professionalism on this list in the past and the
> > discussion did not go far. Some said that we would be interfering with
> > "innovation". Some mentioned Bill Gates as a guy who has done much but
> > does not have any professional qualification. Yet others had other
> > stories (e.g. the three blind men story from Brian and his note to
> > Walu on 7/7/08:
> >> I beg to differ. ICT is too large, too deep and too wide to have a
> >> single, authoritative, representative body. What you refer to would
> >> probably be more appropriate to some of the professional disciplines
> >> within the ICT sector e.g. Software Developers Guild, System
> >> Administrators Association, CIO/CTO Society - within which there can
> >> be certain codes of behavior, ethics, values, best practices etc...
> >
> > On 10/9/08 on this list I re-introduced the topic of a statutory body
> > such as LSK,ICPAK, ... to guide the ICT profession. In my mail I even
> > included a "draft ICT Professionals Act". The idea received cold
> > water except from Kamotho.
> >
> > One distinction between "profession" and "Industry". In my mind I see
> > statutory bodies as more regulating "profession" rather than "industry".
> > Industry bodies are normally private sector initiatives formed by
> > interested persons to achieve common goals. I can be surprised to hear
> > the government being asked to help set up an "industry" association of
> > any type. Private sector associations engage the government, so how
> > can the same government be involved in their set up? The other
> > axiomatic thing about associations is that the ones that do not
> > deliver invariably die a natural death - and there are many examples
> > of this in Kenya even within ICT. It is not difficult to set up a
> > membership association (just like a Church or Club which are set up under
> the same "Societies Act").
> > People cannot be stopped from setting up associations because the
> > Constitution guarantees freedom of association. This means those who
> > have any bright ideas that are not accommodated by existing
> > associations cannot have an excuse or choose to take up the role of
> > professional hecklers of existing associations.
> >
> > Within ICT we agreed some years to accommodate multiple associations
> > which then converge under KEPSA umbrella to offer a unified voice.
> > This I think is working very well as recently exemplified at the Prime
> > Minister's Round Table where ICT issues were very well articulated.
> >
> > With regard to Prof's suggestion to discuss government agencies and
> > private sector associations at the same meeting I think that would
> > create much confusion and even opportunities for red herrings to be
> > thrown around. It is mixing oranges and apples. The word "association"
> > is actually a short form. The exact terminology is "membership
> > association". An association is made up of members who voluntarily
> > come together and run their interests. The members have their own
> > channels to discuss their issues. It does not take much imagination to
> > realize that someone who is NOT a "member" is unlikely to have
> > overflowing goodwill towards (leave alone information about) the
> > association. However, associations face a lot of challenges and a
> > specific get together of associations to discuss best practices and
> > ways of being sustainable and more effective would be welcome. The
> > Business Advocacy Fund is for example doing a great and positive job
> > in the direction of capacity building and funding. Well done to them.
> > Another useful type of meeting is the type you refer to that was held
> > at KICC a couple of years ago where associations can inform a wider
> > audience about their activities and roles and, perhaps, recruit more
> members. Overall, an associations'
> > meeting should be a focused one and not be mixed up with one for
> > government agencies; and guest list should be expanded from Prof's
> > limiting suggestion of "the plethora of ICT industry associations that
> > are not effective" to include those which are effective so that others
> > can learn from them as well.
> >
> > Waudo
> >
www.cskonline.org
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 05 Apr 2010 02:38 -0500,
ikua@lpakenya.org wrote:
> >> Dear listers,
> >> Did we not have a similar meeting not too long ago? I think it was
> >> about two years or so. Cant remember who had organized it but it was
> >> there at KICC. Same theme of taking stock of all ICT bodies. Cant
> >> remember if the Government agencies were represented.
> >>
> >> Not that I have a problem with yet another similar meeting, but we
> >> need to clearly set out what we want to achieve with that kind of
> >> gathering. Its common knowledge that the ICT industry is awash with
> >> all manner of associations/organizations and Government bodies. Isn't
> >> it time that we had the sort of organization that we see with other
> >> professions like Accountants and Lawyers etc? Isn't it time that the
> >> Government created a statutory industry association? This can easily
> >> be achieved by such legislation as the policy document presented by
> >> the PS the other day, or the Communications Act that was passed not
> >> too long ago.
> >>
> >> Inasmuch as the Government so believes in the increasing importance
> >> that ICT plays in the economy, then its imperative that we have an
> >> industry body that would take care of all others, say like a CSK that
> >> is recognized by an Act of parliament.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Ikua
> >>
> >> Quoting Mwololo Tim <
timwololo@gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> > Dear all,
> >> > The discussion needs to be on the institutional framework for ICTs
> >> > in Kenya, not just on KICTB. It needs to cover KICTB, NCS and
> >> > DEG/GITS. It also needs to include the plethora of ICT industry
> associations that are not effective.
> >> > I can organize such a townhall meeting in Chiromo like the first one.
> >> > However, for such a meeting to be useful, it needs to be preceded
> >> > by some guided discussion on the same. Alternatively, one or two
> >> > persons can prepare presenations to guide the discussions, with
> >> > these presentations being made available earlier for participants
> >> > to acquint with them. I am also prepared to be one of those
> >> > persons. tim
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Barrack Otieno
> >> > <
otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Daktari,
> >> >>
> >> >> Thank you for setting the ball rolling, not sure i saw the
> >> >> document as well it must have been hijacked. A town hall meeting
> >> >> is a welcome idea i second it, Kippra felt sufficiently
> >> >> philanthropic before the last town hall meeting i wonder whether
> >> >> they can double their offer during this easter season, bwn Magolo
> >> >> can we count on you. Walu can set the agenda.
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau
> >> >> <
solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > On 04/04/2010,
bitange@jambo.co.ke <
bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
> >> >> >> Barrack,
> >> >> >> Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I think it
> >> >> >> will be
> >> >> wise
> >> >> >> if we sorted this in a town hall meeting similar to one we had
> >> >> >> on
> >> >> Malili.
> >> >> >> Honestly it feels as though some Neanderthal decided to create
> >> >> >> these agencies without putting some thought to it. Criticisms
> >> >> >> are good only when you point out where there are gaps.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> The other day I posted a policy proposal for comments but only
> >> >> >> one
> >> >> person
> >> >> >> did respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya
> >> >> >> kuchongoana
> >> >> tu.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Dakitari, with due respect, would you mind resending the policy
> >> >> > proposals as a new thread so that interested parties may respond?
> >> >> > If sent within this thread, I'm afraid they'll be swallowed
> >> >> > along the
> >> >> way.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy
> >> >> >> proposals that I really think should push through then arouse
> >> >> >> sufficient interest from
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> membership here.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I also think you should send them so that we react to the contents!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Ndemo.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this
> >> >> >>> questions are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can
> >> >> >>> someone provide us with a list of all agencies involved in
> >> >> >>> ICTs and ICT4D so that we can do some tooth comb analysis, i
> >> >> >>> saw a post from Paul on what the board has achieved early
> >> >> >>> this year, that was very much in order we need something from NCS
> as well plus any other agencies.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Regards
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga
> >> >> >>> <
volunga@yahoo.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>>> There is also another body , National Communications
> >> >> >>>> Secretarait. What is the diffrence between NCS and ICT Baord
> >> >> >>>> and how do the two bodies
> >> >> relate
> >> >> >>>> with respect to advisory services to the governement on ICT
> matters?
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Regards
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Vitalis
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> ________________________________
> >> >> >>>> From: robert yawe <
robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
> >> >> >>>> To:
volunga@yahoo.com
> >> >> >>>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> >> >> >>>> <
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> >> >> >>>> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM
> >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Hi,
> >> >> >>>> I rest my case on this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith,
> >> >> >>>> Try reading this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to
> >> >> >>>> do anything and everything under the sun that could be called
> >> >> >>>> ICT which includes your microwave oven and copier.
> >> >> >>>> Functions of Kenya ICT Board
> >> >> >>>> The core functions of Kenya ICT Board as documented in the
> >> >> >>>> Kenya
> >> >> Gazette
> >> >> >>>> Legal Notice No 26 of the May 2007:
> >> >> >>>> ? To advice the government on all relevant matters
> >> >> >>>> pertaining to development, coordination (remember the PM
> >> >> >>>> post) and promotion of ICT industries in the country.
> >> >> >>>> ? Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities
> >> >> >>>> for investments in ICT technology ? Facilitate and manage
> >> >> >>>> ICT industrial incubation parks and
> >> >> technology
> >> >> >>>> parks together with associated facilities on sites, estates and
> land.
> >> >> >>>> ? Partner with agents within and without the country to
> >> >> >>>> carry out
> >> >> such
> >> >> >>>> functions as it may consider necessary.
> >> >> >>>> ? To transform and empower society through deployment and
> >> >> >>>> use of
> >> >> ICTs.
> >> >> >>>> ? Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT
> >> >> >>>> products
> >> >> and
> >> >> >>>> services.
> >> >> >>>> Have a restful Easter as we await the limited range 4G, yes
> >> >> >>>> you
> >> >> guessed
> >> >> >>>> it I
> >> >> >>>> still have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi.
> >> >> >>>> Regards
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
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