Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya

12 Jan 2016

      Sawa Victor.Adding him shortly.
Happy new year.

Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 13:17:40 +0300
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Netflix to be regulated by KFCB in Kenya
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GG

please add Mr Mutua to the group so 
mutua.ezekiel@yahoo.com

Media Council of Kenya  get similar challenges when dealing with international media, who sometimes use their air content that relate to Kenya, but using their home country platforms to broadcast - in some cases their Kenya offices are not involved in the content generation and distribution, and when complaints come, we want to deal with them

We have online radio which are not even registered by CA or MCK but broadcast in Kenya

Challenges for regulators with the entry of online media players 

Victor

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Rad! via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
But what is special about Netflix? What about youtube? Vimeo? Khan Academy and the zillion of other content delivery portals?
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Peter Wakaba via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
On the subject of regulation, the board has a mandate by implication to regulate 'all' visual content aired in kenya via whatever media so long as its for public consumption, i.e, mass media.

On the subject of understanding, the initial meeting will most likely to establish jurisdiction, understanding of formats, roles and mode of self regulation already in place.

On the subject of DSTV, the initial partnership with KBC at inception should have covered assimilation of ratings and standards of broadcast. 

my 2 cents.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Mwendwa Kivuva via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
+1 Muchiri Nyaggah on adding local content to offerings by NetFlix.

You know what, KFCB's mandate becomes nil if streaming becomes

mainstream and they cannot regulate that content. When that day comes,

we will ask for KFCB to be disbanded because they will have become

irrelevant. That means they can only regulate local content, and what

comes through traditional media (radio, TV, and DVD sales), but they

cannot regulate streaming which will bypass all those other platforms

in the coming years. KFCB here is trying to remain relevant and push

it's head above the water in the deep ocean that is the internet. Of

course KFCB's interference on online businesses is now a censorship

issue, making us look more like some countries in Easter Europe and

Asia.

One eminent scholar was asking last week what will happen to our

social values after allowing NetFlix in our borders. For example, our

laws are very clear on issue of homosexuality and porn.

Very interesting debate. I don't envy the guys at KFCB.

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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 14:43:59 +0300
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I think we have a big problem with Kenya Government and Agencies not
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On 8 Jan 2016 20:32, "Ali Hussein via kictanet"
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On Jan 8, 2016 8:20 PM, "Ngigi Waithaka" <ngigi@at.co.ke
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And guess, who else has over 18+ free channels that are never regulated?
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Youtube, Vimeo, Hulu.... All these rely on self-regulation i.e Parents
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And so, Netflix launches its goodies in Kenya this week *Wednesday* and
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Quickest ever date with Kenyan bureaucracy.... Just how smooth can you
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As far as I know DSTV is not 'regulated'. Besides, remember that KBC is a
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 8:02 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke
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Any idea how DSTV is currently regulated? I can't seem to ever remember
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Interesting question. My question to KFCB is:-
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:41 PM, Ngigi Waithaka <ngigi@at.co.ke
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Does that mean Netflix is operating IN Kenya and hence can be regulated?
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Netflix is available in Kenya from yesterday.
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On 8 Jan 2016, at 7:07 PM, Ngigi Waithaka via kictanet
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Looks like the Kenya Film Classification Board (KFCB) wants to regulate
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The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.

KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

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The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.

KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

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The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development.

KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.