Still related to this thread, probably we need to find out if this info from al-shabaab is true or just propaganda. "@UKenyatta and his govt are to be held culpable for #Westgate and for the lives of the 137 hostages who were being held by the Mujahideen" ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 25 September 2013 16:18, robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Kenyans, a new challenge
We have moved up the ranks of international rankings in corruption, child bearing, HIV infections, HIV cures and now let as aim to beat the number of homicides per 100,000 kbfs.
James are you serious?
What I am asking is that we use our talents and be weary of the repercussions when we get to the pearly gates of ahera just to be turned back because we buried ours in the ground for we new our master was a cruel and mean master or reapt where he did not sow.
1. Get the police off the road and lets use the traffic lights and flog those who do not respect them, on the spot. The terrorists must have been in stitches as they passed the various police manned junctions. 2. Those who use county (formerly council) parking on a daily basis please buy seasonal tickets so as to reduce the temptation to bribe, you will also have made sure that your payments gets into the rightful coffers. 3. If you have total dark tint on your car windows remove them as you will realise the folly of having them when you have been car jacked and watch as you pass police who cannot see you sandwiched between the two thugs with guns on their laps 4. In IT security the greatest threat is from those within which is why now we implement behavior detection solutions not padlocks, razor wire and mirrors to protect our assets let us work on developing intelligence systems that work towards prevention. 5. Tomorrow when you visit some of this highly secure locations after the askari has finished checking your boot asking if a "bomb" can fit under the rear seat or within the spare tire, and when at the reception they ask you to leave behind your ID ask them how they expect your body to be identified if you dropped dead in the corridor - I really hate mediocrity especially when we institutionalize the same. 6. Those who have access to the owners of the paybill number 848484 please ask them if they can provide a toll free number for the police and also connectivity to all the police stations and police posts so that we can finally get back our 999, to hell with 911 I will never remember it when under pressure. 7. If you have access to the CS ICT and the acting head of the KICTA please ask them to include some component of funding to equip the emergency services call center instead of having hackathons to develop applications that will never see the light of day. 8. A year or so ago we raised 1 billion to help those who had been affected by famine and then we killed them faster by sending them grains infected with Aflatoxin yet no one followed up, we have also never seen a comprehensive report on how the funds where used which confirms what has been echoed on this thread - we are rotten to the core both public and private sector 9. We recently had a rogue bus driver kill 41 Kenyans I saw no counseling desks, hash tags, or paybill numbers all because those affected were far removed from those of us who can drive our private cars to the village, what happened on Saturday is a culmination of our arrogant disregard for the less fortunate amongst us. Let us have a uniform response to calamities irrespective of which social strata is affected all of us spent 9 months in our mothers wombs 10. Many of you, I distance myself, do not know what happens in the lives of the many, every day at the various matatu terminus be it in the CBD or the farthest corner of Kayole the owners are being extorted by the so called touts. I calculated the amount recently when waiting to take a matatu home, the stage operators make 100 - 200 shillings from each matatu that originates or terminates at the terminus. An average matatu does 20 trips and there are about 50 matatus on my route, do the math.
If the entire security system can look the other way as this goes on right under their noses how do we expect them to identify a terrorist activity?
I need to get home, hope I have left you with some food for thought as we participate in implementing and supporting pedestrian solutions to herculean problems
Regards
PS. Can we take up the setting up of the emergency services system as our CSR? lol
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------------------------------ *From:* James Mbugua <jgmbugua@gmail.com> *To:* robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, 25 September 2013, 15:33 *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Incompetence gallore
Nairobi Homicides per 100,000 people = 4
Memphis, Tennessee No.10 most dangerous US City Murders per 100,000 = 24.5
Top 3 are Flint, Michigan (64.9 murders per 100,000 people), Detroit 54.6/1000 and New Orleans, Louisiana 53.5.
With 4 per 100,00, I would say Nairobi, although has work that needs to be done, should be judged first and foremost on the nature of its society and hence these comparative figures...Lack of the 911, police equipment or vehicles, may not be the problem but the accomodating nature of this society...After all, American cities with more than enough emergency lines operators, vehicles and so on are suffering crime rates beyond the realm of Nairobians' imagination (More than 10 times).
We are not equipped for terrorist attacks that we have learnt just like NYC learn with 9/11 where many firemen and policemen died rushing into the towers to aid, the important thing is what lessons to draw from here.
Otherwise, for someone from say the US or UK which are highly individualistic societies may find the lack of sufficient patrol cars a problem but in a society where informal social support systems pervade every level of society like Kenya's calling the neighbour to help is usually enough.
James
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Joe Murithi Njeru <joe.njeru@zilojo.com>wrote:
Hello Adam,
I agree with you on all the points below.
The level of professionalism in certain parts of public sector is diabolical.
When I was in Kigali some time back, a kid told his father - who had just littered the street with a paper - that if he did not pick it up he would report him to the police...
At iHub, I always pay City Council and ensure I get a receipt. Which I promptly claim as a business expense.
That helps reduce the tax I pay Ceaser each year.
On 09/25/2013 11:03 AM, Adam Nelson wrote:
I drove by a dead body this morning on the bypass between Wayaki way and Grevillea Grove. He was clearly beaten to death and been there for some time. We called an emergency line and ostensibly the police will come. On Ngong Rd across from Brew Bistro 2 weeks ago a boy was killed by a truck and his body lay on the side of the street for 2 hours (Ngong Rd, one of the busiest in town) before anybody official arrived at the scene.
How can it be expected that the Nairobi police handle one of the most complex hostage crises of the decade when they can't even respond to a dead body on the side of a major thoroughfare within 2 hours?
I visited Kigali 3 weeks ago and what it made me realize is that it's not an 'African thing' or a 'Developing World thing' that Nairobi is a disaster. It's a total lack of excellence at every level of government. Kigali is better run in every respect than Nairobi and for the most part, it just comes down to better management.
I'm not one for recriminations and at a time like this am mostly just sad. In the end, I'm an American and can't effect change here - it's up to Nairobians and Kenyans to say enough is enough and to demand that the public safety system be reformed.
1. A 911 (or 999) emergency call center 2. All police wearing ID numbers and equipped with a ticket book so they can write tickets 3. A new type of police with a different uniform that receive double pay but will be fired if found guilty of corruption 4. All police equipped with a mode of transportation (even just a mountain bike) 5. All police equipped with a radio
Is this too much to ask of a city that bills itself as the capital of anything?
-Adam
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On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
A Standard article explains how disorderly and dangerous the operation was, Kenyans troops killed each other, and endangered the lives of hostages in a haphazard operation.
The familiar shoot to kill order was given out http://t.co/M5tJ67KcPk
Sent from my Windows Phone ------------------------------ From: robert yawe <robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk> Sent: 25/09/2013 08:29 To: Dennis Kioko Mbuvi <dmbuvi@gmail.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Incompetence gallore
Editorial from a Saudi Paper
- Something wrong in Kenya
There can be no denying the extraordinary challenges facing the Kenyan government. Yet as the last terrorists were being rooted out of Nairobi’s Westgate shopping mall at the end of a slaughter spree that has killed some 70 people and injured hundreds more, the Kenyan authorities need to be asking themselves some hard questions.
This is a country which because it is actively involved in combating Al-Shabab terrorists in Somalia is supposed to be on the very highest state of alert. Kenya did not choose this confrontation. In 1998 it was an amiably corrupt and easygoing country with merely a nasty record of armed robberies, mostly of rich Western tourists.
Then Al-Qaeda launched one of its very first international attacks, a deadly assault on the US embassy in the Kenyan capital which left 224 people dead the great majority of them Kenyans. Thereafter, there was a succession of small attacks by the Al-Qaeda-linked Al-Shabab which culminated in raids on Kenyan coastal tourist resorts and a Somali refugee camp, targeting and kidnapping foreigners.
It was the final straw. Nairobi sent troops into Somali striking Al-Shabab fighters in the rear as they were pressed from the north by African Union forces. Thereafter, the terrorists resorted to low-level violence, mostly hit and run grenade attacks across the Somali border, until the attack by some 15 heavily armed men on the supposedly well-guarded up-market Westgate shopping center. The attackers managed to negotiate their way with all their weaponry through the capital’s roadblocks. They contrived to organize their deadly assault without the Kenyan intelligence services picking up the slightest inkling of what was about to happen.
Something has got to be wrong somewhere. And the closer one looks at the way the tragic events unfolded, the more difficult questions it seems that the Kenyan authorities have to answer. Why for instance did it take almost half an hour for the first properly armed and equipped teams to arrive at the shopping mall? Why was there no proper building evacuation scheme nor any obvious plan to respond to a terrorist outrage within the complex?
Acts of bravery by shopping center staff, individual police officers and ordinary members of the public cannot mask what appears to have been a series of bungles by all those who should have been responsible for the safety of the complex and its visitors. Journalists noted that when heavily-armed special forces arrived, some seemed nervous and confused, perhaps as a result of the shouting that could be heard from senior officers who themselves seemed poorly briefed and unprepared and as a result unsure of how best to proceed. The inevitable report into this horrific event may find that by delaying a rapid and firm response to the attack, the authorities permitted the terrorists to continue their killing spree and also allowed them to consolidate their position within the mall.
Perhaps a clue to what went so disastrously wrong at the Westgate mall can be found in the devastating fire at Nairobi’s Jomo Kenyatta International Airport last month. Though the blaze broke out in the early morning, meaning no one was killed, the extent of the fire and the extraordinary delays in getting fire appliances to the scene raised major questions about the competence of the Kenyan authorities. The Westgate tragedy must compound these serious concerns.
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