Hi Chairman, I believe that the possibility of issues being regurgitated will never end in so long as there is no central depository of the kictanet discussions. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: waudo siganga <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, 6 April, 2010 12:15:35 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building Dear Colleagues - just to bring to your attention that the issue of an ICT Authority is a repeat of of previous discussions on this list. We could be going round in circles as evidenced by this extract from 2 years ago: From: "John Walubengo" <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 4:13 PM (2 years ago) Show original Show full header Something I couldnt help floating on the list...ofcourse with permission... walu. --- [email protected] further wrote: I have been following the ongoing online melodrama debate of the ICT Authority with keen interest. Here are my thoughts.. It is important to note that the issue of centralised ICT services provision to GOK has not been addressed or fully understood as this has been handled from time to time on project by project basis (e.g. the Metronet) or subject (e.g. e-Gov)depending on the flavor of the month. You see E-gov, GITS, GCCN, CCK, ICT Board, KCCT, KEPSA et al, they are all behemoths, but we should look in totality at GOK ICT Operation and Strategy Implementation within the wider context of the GOK 'ICT Management Strategy'. This would ensure that going forward and for ever that interests are managed and people only lobby those they need to. Look at this Scenario - u want to sell software/hardware to GOK ...,1. Visit CCK for authority to sell... 2. Move to ICT board for strategy and selling / budgets et al ... 3. Go to Govt GITS for implementation. It is lenghty and chaotic... No wonder nothing really gets done!! The only way you will have a clear helicopter view of the sector and be able to draw on synergies such as combined trunks, data centres, fail over and disaster recovery strategy, is to have an implementation company run and manage vendors as well as shortlist/blacklist vendors for all Governmet ICT services. And this is exactly what the ICT Authority would be doing amongst others! --- [email protected] further wrote: Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:28:41 +0300 (EAT) Subject: More on ICT Authority? From: [email protected] To: "John Walubengo" <[email protected]> Walu, Further to my mail this morning, i wish to add the following. There is need for a body to manage and coordinate the management and Maintainance ICT aspects of govt (the non-exciting and zero-money stuff) as vendors have interest in all the money minting aspects above anything else. Others are being driven by the potential of creating monster projects that can be funded by the WorldBank as well as other bilateral and multilateral partners. Each player (GITS, Egov, ICT Board, CCK et al) seems to have all components of a complete self contained ICT business/market by themselves. They can and do buy, fund, implement, and use ICT products and services, so to them their systems and ICT use encompasses all aspects from design, funding, procurement,implementation, management and Maintainance with the last 2 as most neglected. The two most neglected items (ICT Management and Maintenace) could be addressed if we could take the approach where the Policy Maker becomes a Rejigged CCK (technology), ICT Board does the commercial/environment), KEBS(Standards), and Implementer could be a New Entity or Rejigged GITS (same name or a different monster and could comprise of E-gov, et al) The User would be the Government of Kenya with a Usergroup Board made of other ICT players including major GOK CITOs Other grey areas can be run by committees ... Easier to constitute, don't have to be employees of GOK and can be funded by MOIC. What do you think?? Kinoti Mugambi
By the way I have no objection to an ICT Authority....I think such an agency (RITA) has done wonders for Rwanda, founded by none other than Dr. J Oketch the current boss at eGovt. But such a body must come in to play an over-arching role over the others rather than focus on a sub-theme as it were...maybe i will take a look at the KEPSA proposal.
walu.
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First, it's a shame that e-Gov and GITS have not merged. They should, and in a 'neutral' ministry like OP.
Then, as far as the coordination need is concerned I see a number of options: - have one of the bodies convene the others to handle issues where more than one is involved - expand the mandate of one of the existing ones to cover the need identified by Waudo - the option mooted by Waudo
Mike Eldon
From: "waudo siganga" <[email protected]>
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Date: 04/22/2008 05:56 PM
Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority?
I would not see any overlap Walu as the bodies you have mentioned have their specific mandates which are not encompassing the ICT universe. Roughly I think ICT Board is for marketing (Min. of INFOCOM), GITS to run Gov. ICT services (Min. of Finance) and the e-Secretariat to implement the e-Gov. strategy (Office of Pres.). I am always open to correction but meantime I am endorsing the KEPSA proposal. Waudo
Waudo,
jst wondering if we dont already have enough overlaps between ICT Board, eGovt Secretariate, Government Info-Technology Services (GITS) and now you (KEPSA?) want to add on an ICT authority?
walu.
--- waudo siganga <[email protected]> wrote: All this ultimately suggests the necessity for the establishment of an oversight statutory ICT Authority as is being proposed by KEPSA to the ongoing Government harmonization Committee.
--- waudo siganga <[email protected]> wrote:
Actually the Government never voted and was never called upon to vote on this issue. The Government only facilitated
stakeholder committee at KEBS and national voting was done by members of that committee. The overall issue however reiterates what I see as a persistent problem regarding ICT and Government: ICT is wide and diverse, as well as being horizontal to the Governm ent structure. This sometimes leads to matters that are considered "ICT" not revolving around a central spoke in the Governemnt structure. So for example KEBS (and by extension issues of ICT standards) falls under the Ministry of trade. In the committee that handled OOXML there was no representative from the Ministry of Info and Comm., which was a mistake because the Government was a Stakeholder. All this ultimately suggests the necessity for the establishment of an oversight statutory ICT Authority as is being proposed by KEPSA to the ongoing Government harmonization Committee.
Waudo
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:14:43 -0700 (PDT), "Rebecca Wanjiku" <rebeccawanji [email protected]> said:
Microsoft denies threatening to withdraw funding
Microsoft East Africa has dismissed allegations that it threatened to withdraw funding to Kenya if the government did not vote "yes" on OOXML.
Louis Otieno, Microsoft general manager in East and Southern Africa denied the allegations, saying that Microsoft EA acted appropriately.
"We've acted appropriately in all instances. And we are grateful that the National Body members engaged in this
On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:23:50 -0700 (PDT), "John Walubengo" <[email protected]> said: the process
collaboratively and constructively," Otieno said.
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From: "Leonard Mware" <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 9:18 PM (2 years ago) View as text - Show original Show full header I agree with Monica. Perhaps change KICTB to KICTA? Then make e-gov a department of KICTA? This would be better than creating a new outfit. Expand scope of existing Board. L ----- Original Message ---- From: Monica Kerretts-Makau <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 2:51:23 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] ICT Authority? Waudo, While I agree that there needs to be coordination, should there not be a review of existing agencies : for scope and mandate and see if these agencies can be realigned to meet the gaps as raised rather than creating a new body? In doing so we may end up with even lesser institutions if some are merged etc? Dr. Monica Kerretts-Makau On 24/4/08 2:26 PM, "waudo siganga" <[email protected]> wrote:
Alex - actually the KEPSA proposal is not at a stage of detail. I think the first stage is for all to determine and agree, as KEPSA has done, that there is a problem of "coordination and coherence" with regard to ICT and Government. We can use a forum like this one to share experiences to determine this. For me the reality is that ICT is cross-cutting and horizontal to the Government structure while most Ministries appear structured to operate in a vertical format. The Ministry of trade will tell you that OOXML (and ICT standards in general) is their baby; so is the yet to be attended to WTO Information Technology Act; so is signing (WTO) commitments to liberalize ICT services sector. Finance will claim GITS; Immigration want to unilaterally control the entry of ICT experts into the country, etc. There is no-one stop-shop to manage or even act as an interface. In this connection an ICT Authority is just one proposal but the flesh of it would have to come from wider consultation and input of all stakeholders.
Waudo
On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:03:05 -0700 (PDT), "Alex Gakuru" <[email protected]> said:
--- Edith Adera <[email protected]> wrote:
Can the proposal be shared in this list?
I have refrained from commenting without seeing and understanding what the said proposal contains.
Alex
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