Hi Bill, Australia and other Asia Countries has gone in that direction. Legend, legend, dead set legend. As a country, and more particularly with affordable connectivity rates (hopefully), we will be able to deploy solutions and come up with policies that encourage local adoption and developments on open standards. Best regards -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+bksang=education.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bksang=education.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Bill Kagai Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 4:41 PM To: Barnabas K. Sang Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] My Take: Affordable computers Barnabas, In Australia, they would tell u... Legend, legend, dead set legend. You cannot get higher praise than that from an Australian..... On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Barnabas K. Sang<bksang@education.go.ke> wrote:
Collins,
Again, people talk of licenses as a limitation on affordable framework for provision of content to stakeholders. Recalling, my mention in this forum on Ministry of Education's experience to have open source school solutions (content/ SMS) for deploying in more than our 210 Secondary Schools Countrywide, still no bidder has succeeded in getting help from any solutions providers.
Ministry of Education and Government in general (National ICT Policy, E-Government Strategy, Education Sessional Paper No 1 of 2005), is in a position to discuss modalities of ensuring open standards (educational) solutions are implemented in all sectors. Many people quote availability (yes they are available out there) but someone has to get them here locally. Perhaps our institutions of higher learning should take a lead in this area.
All positive comments in the discussion below are indeed worth considering in all strategies/action plans possible.
Kind Regards
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+bksang=education.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+bksang=education.go.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Areba Collins Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 1:35 PM To: Barnabas K. Sang Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] My Take: Affordable computers
Pentium 3, 633mhz, 10gb, 15' crt, keyboard, mouse, commercially retails at about ksh 4500, and is sufficient in my opinion to learn programming, surf the net and do basic office work. Give me a 'new pc's ' initiative and ill abandon my crusade. Worse (or better ) still, dell optiplex 3.0ghz 2gb cpu, 25k, ten thin clients and you have a classroom with less than the cost of a new pc, tell me just how this is not affording power to the masses.
On 8/28/09, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Crystal the term "affordable" is relative in the context of Socio - economic development, could you elaborate on your position?
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Crystal Watley Kigoni < crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:
We have to start somewhere. Bringing in used computers is a simple and effective way to bring computing power into schools and villages. Yes, Computers for Schools Kenya does charge for these computers (too much if you ask me in comparison to other groups doing the same), and yet the schools pay for them so they can give their students a fighting chance at joining the knowledge economy. We need to consider the welfare of our young people before we sell out to the "new" game as Uganda has. Can Kenya really afford to equip ALL of our classrooms with brand new computers? And has anyone considered the monopoly given to Microsoft when we push for only new equipment? The license fees involved for software? There is a lot more to consider than simply e-waste. Crystal
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I cant believe this, are you guys actually arguing that having no computer is better than having one that is old, consumes lots of power and has only a few years left in it? Cause as far as the rest of it is concerned, quality is a function of competition.
Listers Evans has raised a pertinent issue, we might not have made some of the strides we have achieved in the sector without the used computers, on the other hand there is an environmental concern that is valid, this calls for a multistakeholder approach to create a win win situation for our local business men (Remember the used car parts issue that sprang up early
year), NGO and any other organisation involved in the importation
may be its time KEBS got involved in the process, reading through Bills email i am of the opinion that there might be some imbalance in the way
importation of the computers is handled, by the way i had there is a facility for disposing off e-waste in Dandora, maybe Mr Tom Musili could shed some light on the issue, i wish we had statistics to help in evaluating the impact of the used computers. Let the debate continue..
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Bildad Kagai <billkagai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 28, 2009, at 8:12 AM, Victor Gathara wrote:
I am thinking here of donations of used computers that can make their way into the country through a regulated and monitored channel (such as ComputerAid) who will also have responsibility to ensure EOL disposal according to WEEE standards to prevent dumping of electronic waste.
Victor, In your position, you know very well that these second had computers
are
not donations. You can ask Tony Roberts how much he is paid to dispose a computer from Barclays in UK, that eventually finds its way to a school in Mau. And the Mau school pays for shipping and other costs....but besides all these politics......DFID might consider to fund a specific study comparing the final 'landed' cost of a dumped computer versus a 'clone' assembled with new parts at Crescent Technologies or JKUAT taking into consideration the kazi kwa vijana created....if it has not been done already. PS. I am speaking as a 'contributor' to this mess here, because I also have problems disposing my old computers and printers in the office. Most of the times, its easier to take them to a school in shags that cannot afford the electricity bills of running them...and... just live with the guilt like everyone else despite being labeled as The Hero who brought us computers.
One reason IBM sold its hardware unit was because Moores Law states over time, the cost of hardware approaches zero and the cost of power consumption and capacity of the hardware doubles every 18 months. Thus, bringing 5 year old computers to Kenya only drains too much power when we should strive to bring consumption per watt down. At least, just based on power consumption alone, dumped computer should never see the 'light of day' at the Kenyan port if locally assembled computers will consume half of the wattage today....especially now when everyone is striving to go green.
http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000868.html
Google, for example, has watched its energy consumption almost double during the past three generations of upgrades to its sprawling computing infrastructure. *It recently unveiled a major new datacenter site in a remote part of Oregon, where power costs are a fraction of those at Google's home base in Silicon Valley.* But cheap power may not be enough. Last year, Google engineer Luiz Andr� Barroso predicted that energy costs would dwarf equipment costs -- "possibly by a large margin" -- if
On 8/28/09, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: this process, the power-hungry
datacenters didn't mend their ways. Barroso went on to warn that datacenters' growing appetite for power "could have serious consequences for the overall affordability of computing, not to mention the overall health of the planet."
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
This message was sent to: otieno.barrack@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail....
-- Barrack O. Otieno Administrative Manager Afriregister Ltd (Ke) P.o.Box 21682 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254721325277 +254733206359 Riara Road, Bamboo Lane www.afriregister.com ICANN accredited registrar.
-- Its Possible! http://www.itspossible.afraha.com
Collins Areba Omwoyo +254 735 824872 / +254 720 516758 arebacollins[at]gmail[dot]com
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
This message was sent to: crystal@voicesofafrica.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/crystal%40voicesofafric...
-- Crystal "Naliaka" Watley Kigoni Voices of Africa for Sustainable Development crystal@voicesofafrica.org http://www.voicesofafrica.org/
"You must be the change you wish to see" - Gandhi
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet
This message was sent to: otieno.barrack@gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail....
-- Barrack O. Otieno Administrative Manager Afriregister Ltd (Ke) P.o.Box 21682 Nairobi 00100 Tel: +254721325277 +254733206359 Riara Road, Bamboo Lane www.afriregister.com ICANN accredited registrar.
_______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bksang@education.go.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bksang%40education.go.k...