Thank you Kivuva for your suggestions. They have been noted. Listers, just like Kivuva, please feel free to go back on any of the daily debate and comment. RgdsGrace From: Kivuva@transworldafrica.com Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:48:15 -0800 Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Day 1: On-line debate on African Union Convention on Cyber Security (AUCC) To: otieno.barrack@gmail.com CC: ggithaiga@hotmail.com; isoc@orion.my.co.ke; kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke I support article Article I – 7: as it is. Even if we are to protect the anonymity of advertisers, there should be a mechanism to track and identify them when a breach has occurred. What if a company advertises defamatory remarks about me or my company, I should be able through some mechanism to unveil the source of the defamation, otherwise the intermediary will have to bear the liability. Take an example of Google Ads, they are clearly identified as such, and if the add is not appropriate, there must be a way to identify the advertiser. Probably, the act can read something like this "Without prejudice to Article I-4 any advertising action, irrespective of its form, accessible through online communication service, shall be clearly identified as such. It shall [There shall be a mechanism (database) to]clearly identify the individual or corporate body on behalf of whom it is undertaken." ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya. twitter.com/lordmwesh google ID | Skype ID: lordmwesh On 25 November 2013 14:02, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: Listers, Emerging trends and security threats have forced people to start thinking of online security and child protection. I was listening to a colleague from Canada saying how citizens are increasingly getting comfortable with online surveillance. Africa has a very poor electronic commerce track record which might be linked to weak cyber cecurity as such we might want to strike a balance between freedom and responsibility online. Companies have stringent policies regarding the use of their Internet and network resources, iam tempted to imagine that we might require a stringent policy framework that can drive Africans towards maximizing on the potential of the internet, this becomes fuzzier when you analyse it from a perspective of the governments role. On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:08 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote: Thanks Ali and Liz for your responses and for raising further queries. We would also welcome recommendations. As of now, we will move your queries into our reporting template and will see what recommendations can be made in the final document. Let us keep the debate live. RgdsGrace Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 19:19:55 +0300 Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] Day 1: On-line debate on African Union Convention on Cyber Security (AUCC) From: lizorembo@gmail.com To: ali@hussein.me.ke CC: isoc@orion.my.co.ke; ggithaiga@hotmail.com; kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke Thanks GG for starting this discussion. Ali has raised very important points. The questions to ask here is, what is the cost of banning anonymous advertising in the cyberspace? Is it worth it? and How will it affect business both online and offline? On Nov 25, 2013 3:46 AM, "Ali Hussein" <ali@hussein.me.ke> wrote: Grace and listers 1. Net Anonymity forms a cornerstone of how the Internet has evolved and grown to become the mass communication tool it is today. Although the proposals mean well in terms of trying to cap criminal activities it is a double edged sword. a) How will whistle blowers be protected if they feel their identities will be compromised? b) My right as a citizen to contribute in healthy sometimes sensitive political discourse in some cases require a certain level of anonymity. c) How we counter needs of national security and personal freedoms without blanket condemnation of particular religious or ethnic groups will define us as a nation and continent.d) We need to be very careful that we don't quash the very environment and ecosystem that has allowed some African countries to thrive and be thought leaders in the online space. Ali Hussein +254 0770 906375 / 0713 601113 "I fear the day technology will surpass human interaction. The world will have a generation of idiots". ~ Albert Einstein Sent from my iPad On Nov 25, 2013, at 12:39 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote: Good morning Listers Further to the announcement we made last Friday, we now commence this one week discussion on the African Union Convention on Cyber Security(AUCC)http://pages.au.int/sites/default/files/AU%20Cybersecurity%20Convention%20EN... on multiple lists of KICTANet and ISOC-KE, in Kenya and on I-Network list moderated by the Collaboration on International ICT Policy in East and Southern Africa (CIPESA) and ISOC -Uganda. Background to the African Union Convention on Cyber Security (AUCC) African Union (AU) convention (52 page document) seeks to intensify the fight against cybercrime across Africa in light of increase in cybercrime, and a lack of mastery of security risks by African countries. Further, that one challenge for African countries is lack of technological security adequate enough to prevent and effectively control technological and informational risks. As such “African States are in dire need of innovative criminal policy strategies that embody States, societal and technical responses to create a credible legal climate for cyber security”. The Convention establishes a framework for cybersecurity in Africa “through organisation of electronic transactions, protection of personal data, promotion of cyber security, e-governance and combating cybercrime” (Conceptual framework). As an additional reference to the earlier ones, please find attached a letter that was sent to the AU by the Center for Intellectual Property and Information Technology law and Strathmore University school of law. We begin the discussion with Part 1 on Electronic transactions. Today, we will discuss two out of four articles from this section. Section III: Publicity by electronic means Article I – 7: Without prejudice to Article I-4 any advertising action, irrespective of its form, accessible through online communication service, shall be clearly identified as such. It shall clearly identify the individual or corporate body on behalf of whom it is undertaken. Question: Should net anonymity be legislated? If so, what measures need to be or not be considered? Question: Should individuals or companies be obliged to reveal their identities and what are the implications? Article I – 8: The conditions governing the possibility of promotional offers as well as the conditions for participating in promotional competitions or games where such offers, competitions or games are electronically disseminated, shall be clearly spelt out and easily accessible. Question: Should an international (or should we call it regional) law legislate on promotional offers and competitions offered locally? Over to you Listers. Let us engage and make concrete suggestions. A great week to you all. RgdsGG <RECOMMENDATIONS ON AUCC.pdf>_______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@orion.my.co.ke http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@orion.my.co.ke http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@orion.my.co.ke http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc -- Barrack O. Otieno+254721325277+254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otienohttp://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/ _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@orion.my.co.ke http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc