@Walu, I often wonder, which is easier? Lobby Parliament and possibly still have it passed anyway or get a good lawyer and have a bad bill declared 'unconstitutional' as soon as its signed? Rgds On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 4:36 PM, Walubengo J via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Listers,
I think since everyone seems to be denying awareness and participation to the Bill, the only way forward is to try and reach the Parliamentary Committee on ICT (remember last theme on institutional makeup? - never thought they would come into play so soon :-).
They are the only ones who can pull the plug on this Bill (not even the CS can help u :-).
And with the tyranny of numbers in Parliament, this Bill is on a straight trajectory to the house on hill and is likely to be signed into law.
Unfortunately, all the stage that bill has reached is all political - and that is a space I am least equipped to deal with.
But if you know your MP, start lobbying and it would help if he or she comes from the Majority party. It really now a question of who-is-your-(god)father :-)
If you are an activitist you may opt to sign up on President Uhuru Kenyatta: Say No to the ICT Practitioners Bill <https://www.change.org/p/president-uhuru-kenyatta-say-no-to-the-ict-practitioners-bill>
President Uhuru Kenyatta: Say No to the... <https://www.change.org/p/president-uhuru-kenyatta-say-no-to-the-ict-practitioners-bill>
walu.
------------------------------ *From:* Kiprono Bryan via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *To:* jwalu@yahoo.com *Cc:* Kiprono Bryan <kipronobrian10@gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri < muthuridennis@gmail.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:56 PM *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
Multi-stakeholder need to be part and parcel of making any decision in ICT Policy which is always considered as Best-Practice in any policy development in any country.
Maybe we can ask our top guys on board like of Walubengo, What is the way forward after the current feedbacks here at KICTANET mailing list,Jadili platform and social media?
Regards,
Kiprono Bryan
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Alex Watila via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Thanks Walu, What is the way forward on the bill?
Regards,
Alex
*From:* Walubengo J [mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:26 PM *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> *Cc:* Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>; Alex Watila < awatila@yahoo.co.uk> *Subject:* Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill - Walu's Views
@Alex, @Muthuri,
Thnx for 'bursting' me @
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
It does seem the Internet does not forget :-)
Anyway, I still stand by those earlier views. That the ICT professionals should be better organized and speak with one strong voice in order to guide the nation in prosperous and in difficult moments. And that an Act of Parliament would go a long way in ensuring that such a voice is grounded in legislation and therefore cannot be wished away by current or future governments.
However, what I do not agree with is the way such an important bill may have gone 'below the radar' - all the way to the 1st reading. Without most people being aware of it, let alone having a chance to contribute and shape it.
In short, I have always appreciated the problem, but I do not necessarily agree with solutions (contents of the proposed bill), least of all the 'modus-operandi' methods applied to push it through.
So there you have it :-)
walu.
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Thanks Alex,
I’d like to hear bwana Walu’s views. This is dialogue after all and not a witch hunt. All of us want the best way forward for all stakeholders at the end of the day.
Regards
On 6 Jul 2016, at 2:17 PM, Harry <harry26001@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Alex,
Bwana Walu seems to have ducked "under" on this one, though my sentiment would be that, his oped at the time seemed to lean more on how to give the ICT fraternity a voice through representation at the national stage than what we seeing now with the proposed bill that seems to weigh in more on regulatory policing. Given the multifaceted nature of the ICT space, the worst the proponents can do is to sneak in such proposed regulatory frameworks without as much as subjecting the same to wide multistakeholder input. This could be counter productive, and in fact threatens to stifle the very space that opened up, got liberalized and has thrived for almost 14years and which, has been a catalyst and testament to some of the amazing innovative achievements and growth to date in this sector.
So again, just like the wifi surveillance bill who initiated this..? Where was the consultative engagement..?
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 11:47 AM, Alex Watila <awatila@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Walu, Do you need to defend yourself?
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2305252/-/1208fk...
Regards,
Alex
-----Original Message----- From: Alex Watila [mailto:awatila@yahoo.co.uk <awatila@yahoo.co.uk>] Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:31 AM To: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Cc: 'Harry' <harry26001@gmail.com>; 'Dennis Muthuri' < muthuridennis@gmail.com> Subject: RE: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Dear All, I think the two issues are related since "to enforce government policies, governments make laws and then enforce the laws."
It would be strange to be discussing a policy while another one seems to be in the process of being given legal authority.
Regards,
Alex https://twitter.com/hashtag/KillTheICTBill?src=hash
-----Original Message----- From: kictanet [ mailto:kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke <kictanet-bounces+awatila=yahoo.co.uk@lists.kictanet.or.ke>] On Behalf Of Harry via kictanet Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 11:14 AM To: awatila@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Harry <harry26001@gmail.com>; Dennis Muthuri <muthuridennis@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Draft National ICTPolicy:-End of Online Discussions
Hey Dennis,
Welcome on board..!
The Draft National ICT policy, (a review of the last one formulated in 2006) has been under discussion for the past abt 10 days on the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the just ended great debate at www.kitanet.or.ke, under the corresponding link headings.
Walu, just wondering whether this can be extended to allow Listers ventilate on the ICT practitioners bill currently trending exhaustively probably as an issue to be incorporated in the draft policy discussion, as opposed to treating it as a separate issue. As many as are of a similar opinion, say 'aye'..
Harry
On Jul 6, 2016 10:36 AM, Dennis Muthuri via kictanet < kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
Hi Hary,
Kindly bring me up to speed with the draft that you are talking about, I joined this mailing list a day ago so I don’t have much context into the matter.
Thanks.
Dennis
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