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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 23:03:41 +0200
From: Ory Okolloh <ookolloh@gmail.com>
To: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
Subject: Re: [kictanet] ATU discussions
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I was in Accra and quite concerned to see the Kenya delegation quite vocal
in its support for the ETNO proposals notwithstanding the potentially
negative repercussions of implementing them in a region that can least
afford to be cut off of from content or to pay for content. I would
expect given how much our government touts Kenya as a "tech hub" they would
take a leadership role in ensuring that we support proposals that are not
harmful to our countries / regions. Perhaps the CCK / PS Ndemo reps on
the list can articulate more the basis for our positions in Accra.
It was interesting to see countries like Uganda, Botswana and Zimbabwe
argue in support of more progressive positions, while we tended to be on
the side of governments with a clear interest in regulating / controlling
the Internet.

By the way, post-Accra, Africa is the only region to have fully endorsed
the ETNO proposals - another issue of concern...do our governments
understand what they are endorsing? Why are we supporting proposals other
regions have deemed fit to ignore?

Ory

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> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 15:29:09 +0000
> From: otieno.barrack@gmail.com
> To: isoc@orion.my.co.ke, "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions"
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> Subject: [kictanet] Fw: [Itu2012chapters] African Telecommunications
> Union (ATU) 25-26 September Meeting
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> Dear Listers,
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> The ATU held its third and final WCIT and WTSA regional preparatory =
> meeting 25-26 September in Accra Ghana. =20
>
> Note that the ETNO proposal gained some traction at the ATU meeting but =
> that the final language for inclusion in Article 6 requires approval by =
> Ministers prior to becoming a full ATU WCIT regional position. =20
>
> The two proposed new articles under final review are:
> =20
> 6.0.5 Member states shall ensure that their regulatory =
> frameworks drive the operating agencies to establish mutual commercial =
> agreements with providers of international communication applications =
> and services in alignment with principles of fair =
> competition, innovation, adequate quality of service and security.
> =20
> 6.0.6 The Member States shall take measures to ensure that =
> operating agencies have the right to charge providers of international =
> communication applications and services appropriate access charges based =
> on the agreed quality of service. Regulatory measures may be =
> imposed in case that this cannot be achieved through commercial =
> arrangements and to the extent that such measures do not hinder =
> competition.
> =20
> The full meeting summary is located at:
> =
> https://fileshare.tools.isoc.org/wentworth/public/WCIT%20-%20Regional%20Me=
> etings/ATU_WCIT_%20Report_Sept2012%20.pdf
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> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 11:36:16 -0400
> From: Brandie Martin <blm5350@psu.edu>
> To: Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Programme for Intermediary Liability study,
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> Dear Grace and Kictanet subscribers:
> Does anyone know if the the meeting will be webcast and/or recorded for
> distribution online? I am very interested in participating.
>
> If you are not video recording, could I please Skype in to the meeting?
>
> Thank you for your help,
> Brandie L. Martin
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 2:50 AM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Good morning Listers****
> >
> >
> >
> > This is a follow up to an invitation sent out last week for a breakfast
> > meeting to discuss a study on intermediary liability in Kenya. ****
> >
> >
> >
> > Venue: *Jacaranda Hotel*****
> >
> > Time: *7.00- 10.00 am*****
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *The agenda is as follows:*****
> >
> >
> >
> > Welcome and background * GG*****
> >
> > *
> > *Initial findings of the Study *Victor Kapiyo*****
> >
> > *
> > *Recommendations *Alice Munyua*****
> >
> > *
> > *Key note Address *Dr Bitange Ndemo*****
> >
> > *
> > *Way forward and Discussions *TESPOK*****
> >
> > Looking forward to seeing as many of you on Wednesday
> >
> > Rgds
> > GG
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2012 19:57:35 +0300
> > From: alice@apc.org
> > Subject: [kictanet] Discussion intermediary liability in Kenya
> > CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
> > To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com
> >
> > Dear Colleagues,
> >
> > This is an invitation to a discussion on intermediary liability in Kenya
> > starting tomorrow Tuesday 2nd October 2012, which will be followed by a
> > breakfast meeting on 10th October at jacaranda hotel.
> >
> > See attached the initial findings of the study on Intermediary Liability
> > in Kenya. We welcome comments. Please note that this initial report is a
> > forthcoming publication, and it should not be cited publicly until
> > November, when the final report will be made available.
> >
> > The study notes that there is a lack of a clear framework for liability
> of
> > intermediaries and a lot of uncertainty in understanding our evolving
> > post-constitution legislative environment particularly in "regards to
> what
> > offenses may happen on communications networks and whether intermediaries
> > would be liable or not, this may have contributed to caution
> > and self-regulation.
> >
> > In addition, there seems to be no legislated take down procedures other
> > than responding in court to whichever law was cited as broken. Do we
> need
> > a "clear framework for liability of intermediaries, and safe harbor
> > legislation? What are the strengths and weaknesses of the current
> > situation?
> >
> > We would like to encourage policy discussions on these issues with the
> aim
> > of providing concrete recommendations and way forward.
> >
> > Grace Githaiga and Victor Kapiyo will take it from here
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Alice
> >
> >
> > This is a project of:
> >
> > - Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANET)
> > - Open Society Initiative (OSI)
> > - Association for Progressive Communications (APC)
> > - Google
> > - Ministry of Information and Communications
> > - Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya (TESPOK)
> >
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> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 10:02:14 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>
> To: "otieno.barrack@gmail.com" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fw: [Itu2012chapters] African
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> Thanx Barrack for the Post.? I could not access the summary explanations
> (must be my? local firewall issues) but from my understanding of the two
> clauses supported by the African Countries I believe we have reason to be
> afraid.
>
> ETNO is the proposal being pushed by European Telecoms Operators and my
> understanding is that they wish to charge Content Providers (Read the
> Google.com, the Ebay.com, the Amazon.com and closer home the Nation.co.ke,
> Standardmedia.co.ke, xyzshow.com, etc) based on the traffic attributed to
> visitors going to their sites.
>
> In simple terms, the ISP hosting the Kenyan Comedy XYZshow.com will now be
> charged by the upstream Telco providers for each packet (read "eyeball")
> that views the XYZ show/clips. The current regime is that the ISP simply
> pays a FIXED amount to the Telco Provider for leasing a certain size of
> pipe to the Internet e.g pay 250USD for 1MB Internet pipe.? The content and
> access to and from the ISPs servers was NONE of the Telco's business.? But
> it appears Telcos now want to introduce and additional charge - over and
> above the internet pipe charges.? These would be charges based on how
> "busy" the ISP content servers are.
>
> This approach anticipates to make money for Telcos who have been
> complaining that their Internet Pipes are kept busy, while the money flocks
> to the Content Providers in a disproportionate ratio.? So why not charge
> the Content Providers and get part of the pie?? The blunder with this is
> that what is charged, the Content Providers will simply pass it on to the
> consumer.? Accessing content will no longer be "free" the way we have come
> to understand it.? Content that seats outside Africa will begin to be
> restricted to African Viewers simply because they will be introducing
> "eyeballs" that have no returns in terms of Advertisement revenues. Content
> providers will not hesitate to block such eyeballs since they are being
> charged by their upstream Telco providers while the prospects of recovering
> such costs through either Sales of Products, Advertisement, Subscription
> and other business models is not feasible.
>
> So I would say as Africans, we have to be careful not to fight other
> peoples battles while hurting ourselves in the process.
>
> walu.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "otieno.barrack@gmail.com" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
> To: jwalu@yahoo.com
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
> Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 6:29 PM
> Subject: [kictanet] Fw: [Itu2012chapters] African Telecommunications Union
> (ATU) 25-26 September Meeting
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> FYI
>
> The ATU held its third and final WCIT and WTSA?regional preparatory
> meeting 25-26 September in Accra Ghana.??
>
> Note that the ETNO proposal gained some?traction at?the ATU meeting but
> that the final language for inclusion in?Article 6 requires approval by
> Ministers prior to becoming a full ATU WCIT regional position.??
>
> The two?proposed new articles under final review are:
> ?
> 6.0.5 Member states shall ensure that their regulatory?frameworks drive
> the operating agencies to establish mutual commercial?agreements with
> providers of?international communication applications and?services
> in?alignment with principles of fair competition, innovation,
> adequate?quality of service and security.
> ?
> 6.0.6 The Member States shall take measures to ensure that?operating
> agencies have the right to charge providers of international?communication
> applications?and services appropriate access charges based on the?agreed
> quality of service. Regulatory measures may be imposed in case that
> this?cannot be achieved through?commercial arrangements and to the extent
> that such?measures do not hinder competition.
> ?
> The full meeting summary is located at:
>
> https://fileshare.tools.isoc.org/wentworth/public/WCIT%20-%20Regional%20Meetings/ATU_WCIT_%20Report_Sept2012%20.pdf
> ?
> Karen Mulberry
> Policy Advisor
> Internet Society
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> www.isoc.org
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