Hi Walu and all

 ICTs can not be discussed in isolation

Wish to share this from a global  Internet Governance List
"Wikipedia: I know everything!
Google: I have everything!
Facebook: I know everybody
Internet: Without me you all nothing.
Electricity: Keep talking @£*&*& ;-)"

Difficult to discuss ICTs without taking into consideration electricity, and other basic's and generally human development, livelihood issues, etc

As for the Bashir discussion, I agree with Makali, that "It is unfortunate that the government should be speaking out of turn with our new Supreme Law and the reality of the new Kenya" and our new constitution.  What will happen with ICT related provisions like Freedom of Information?

Best

Alice

Andrea, I had thought as much too a while back had been over-ruled. Maybe we are digressing too much.  Indeed I was now beginning to shop for another ICT list... Wherease we may not divorce ICTs from regular life (politics, economics, religion, etc) I really wish Listers could at least pretend to show the connection with ICTs...whenever they get off topic. walu. --- On Tue, 12/6/11, Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> wrote: From: Andrea Bohnstedt <andrea.bohnstedt@ratio-magazine.com> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Why It's Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac ifying Angry Bashir To: jwalu@yahoo.com Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Date: Tuesday, December 6, 2011, 1:49 PM Go back to discussing ICT issues on the ICT list? :) On 6 December 2011 13:44, Harry Delano <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> wrote: What is the way forward....? Harry -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of bitange@jambo.co.ke Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:49 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Why It's Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac ifying Angry Bashir Grace, Our media too needs to set the agenda right.  Much of what David wrote was heavily influenced from what he read in foreign media.  Earlier I made a comparison between what happened in Daffur and in Congo.  In 2003 some 5 million people died in the Congo.  You may recall the Banyamulenge atrocities inside Congo but in spite the fact that there were indictable people by ICC, the issue was brushed under the carpet. Congo is a mineral rich country with a government that hadly know what is going on in their country.  Some people want it that way.  Below see a quote from the Financial Times and see why I made that conclusion. "Given the muted response to the evolving fiasco in Congo, there is much less international appetite for outrage, or even for an accurate count. Western countries are less enchanted with Mr Kabila than they were in 2006, when he won a UN-supervised election, promising to bring peace and economic recovery. He has done neither. But unlike Mr Ouattara in Ivory Coast, Mr Tshisekedi does not enjoy significant backing from anyone outside the Congo. He is his own man. That is one reason a large number of Congolese persist in believing that he might turn things round. At 78, he is representative of a generation of opposition leaders who dedicated decades to the fight against dictatorship. Most, including Mr Gbagbo have proved disastrous in government." You cannot be your own man in Africa if you need the support of Western countries.  This is a worrying statement and confirms that our media has largely failed in setting the African agenda and begin to influence the rest of the world. Virtually all mineral rich African countries are at war from the west to central and eastern Africa.  Is is a coincident? Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerryR -----Original Message----- From: Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 17:30:12 To: <bitange@jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: [kictanet] Why It's Wrong For Kenya To Try Pac  ifying Angry Bashir _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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