Quoting Harry Delano <
harry@comtelsys.co.ke>:
>
>
--
> Gilda,
>
> We are awaiting you to unveil the 6
gents/ladies Task force on ICT below -
> specifically, their
>
mandate/objectives who they are accountable to, and it's scope of
>
participatory engagement with
> the wider multi
stakeholders..
>
> When is this coming..?
>
>
Regards,
> Harry
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
From: kictanet-bounces+harry=
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On
> Behalf Of
godera@skyweb.co.ke> Sent:
Wednesday, April 07, 2010 11:39 AM
> To:
harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Cc:
'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'
> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT
Board? - Capacity Building
>
>
> Listers,
>
> I
think this is a very healthy debate for the industry.
> Esther, whereas
whatever body will face the same queries over their mandate,
> in my
view, what is most important is that each respective body plays it
>
part to the full and possibly even surpass the expectations of the
industry.
> As long as they are all forging towards one goal (making
Kenya the ICT Hub
> in Africa)in all their activities, the industry will
have gained.
> What is important is that all these bodies do not fight
each other, rather
> complement one another to grow this
industry.
> We must all work together for good of this industry and
nation.
>
> Gilda Odera
> Chair, BPO/ITES Working Group at
the Office of the Prime Minister
>
> (For those not aware, a group
of 6 persons from Private Sector and
> Government was recently put
together for a two year term to advise on all
> these issues
>
being raised in this list. Your views are being noted.)
>
>
Quoting Esther Muchiri <
emuchiri@andestbites.com>:
>
>
> Good suggestions Harry, but while I am not a pessimist, I have a
>
> feeling that with time, whatever body will be formed will still
face
> > the same attacks/questions from the industry on the mandate
etc
> >
> >
> >
> > Perhaps the upcoming
public forum will begin to shed some light in the
> > direction ICT
development in Kenya should follow?
> >
> >
>
>
> >
> >
> > From: kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=
andestbites.com@
lists.kictanet.or.ke> > [mailto:
kictanet-bounces+emuchiri=
andestbites.com@
lists.kictanet.or.ke> > ] On Behalf Of Harry
Delano
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 6:21 PM
> > To:
emuchiri@andestbites.com>
> Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'
> > Subject: Re:
[kictanet] Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
> >
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Lilian,
>
>
> >
> > This is so comprehensive.. Hope, notes are
being taken from these
> > resourceful discussions coming in.
>
>
> >
> >
> > Mine, is just a proposal. Clearly,
the different agencies existing,
> > happen to work within some form
of
> >
> > mandate in their own areas of jurisdiction or so,
whether the mandates
> > are competing mandates or
>
>
> > a duplication, it may be quite difficult to just "merge"
them..
> >
> >
> >
> > Clearly, Listers -
one thing that is now clear, is that ICT is a huge
> > phenomenon,
that cuts' out across
> >
> > the entire spectrum of Govt
and ministries - beyond INFOCOM. This
> > means, stakeholders
from other
> >
> > Govt. sectors need to be brought into the
fold to harmonize strategy..
> >
> >
> >
>
> I suppose therefore, this may call for an oversight body - to
which,
> > each of the Govt agencies can have a
> >
>
> representation. This oversight, could encompass reps, from all
>
> sectors, private , and govt. All interests
> >
> >
should be declared as a pre-requisite to serving on this panel for
>
> purposes of accountability and
> >
> >
transparency..
> >
> >
> >
> > If in
order, I could float some names for such a body, such as:-
>
>
> >
> >
> > * National ICT Task Force -
(NICTAF)
> > * National ICT Agency of Kenya - (NICTAK)
>
> * National ICT Oversight Board -(NICTOB)
> >
> >
Other names are welcome..
> >
> >
> >
> >
Harry
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
>
>
> > From: kictanet-bounces+harry=
comtelsys.co.ke@
lists.kictanet.or.ke> > [mailto:
kictanet-bounces+harry=
comtelsys.co.ke@
lists.kictanet.or.ke]
> > On Behalf Of Lilian
Karanja
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 11:43 AM
> > To:
harry@comtelsys.co.ke> >
Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who
is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
> >
> >
>
>
> >
> > Yes, Robert.......I see.
> >
>
>
> >
> > Certainly, what GoK needs is ICT Governance.
"Without governance you
> > do not produce good decisions
consistently. 'Governance' in the
> > context of the management of
ICT crafts a clear framework in which
> > decisions are made, who
makes the decisions about business and
> > technology developments,
who has input into the decision-making process
> and how the decisions
are formed".
> >
> >
> >
> > In my
opinion, the ICT Board (under Min. Of Info Comm), the
> > Directorate
of e-Government (under OP), the GITS Department (under
> > Min. Of
Finance), and both the CCK and NCS (both under Min. Of Info
> > Comm)
seem to have related ICT goals and objectives. They
> >
(unfortunately) don't seem to oftenly collaborate in their
> >
decision-making. I personally like the idea of a KITA like SITA/RITA.
>
> Sometime ago, the Directorate of e-Government seemed to come-up into
a
> > KITA (in the way we think of SITA/RITA), but did not 'mature'
into the
> institution envisioned.
> >
> > GoK ICT
Governance Decisions would ideally focus on:
> >
> > .
Determining the strategic approach to e-government
and ICT
> within
> > GoK
> >
> > .
How the e-government initiatives should be used in GoK,
to
> improve
> > services, reduce costs, develop the community,
etc
> >
> > . How fundamental
e-government and ICT is to GoK and the country
> at
> >
large
> >
> > . The way
e-government and ICT is to be managed (e.g. by what
> > mechanism and
how resources are to be managed)
> >
> > .
The way investments are to be made and policies on
realising
> and
> > sharing benefits
> >
> >
. How the required skills are to be procured
(through strategic
> > partnerships, in-house, through consortium,
etc)
> >
> > . The
principles that underlie the ICT architecture
> >
> > .
Setting priorities and determining
e-government and ICT
> > investment programmes
> >
>
> . Managing the foundations and
regulations regarding the core
> > elements of the
infrastructure:
> >
> > o Personnel - who will be
responsible for their professional development
> > and where certain
skills should reside
> >
> > o Methods and
techniques - what project/programme management,
> development
>
> and operations management standards should be used
> >
>
> o Charging mechanisms and services standards (performance
management)
> >
> > o Information - standards to
enable the effective sharing of information
>
> >
> >
o Core applications - intranet, finance systems, payroll,
registries
> and
> > personnel standards, etc
>
>
> > o Technical - network, consolidated service desk,
data standards
> >
> > o Security
>
>
> > o Legal
> >
> >
>
>
> > This has conspicuously missed within GoK, in the past years.
We look
> > to GoK greatly to spur 'mwananchi' by keenly committing
to 'add value'
> > to broadband so that their attitude, confidence
and appreciation
> > towards the use ICTs and the Internet increases
(especially in the
> > rural areas, as they access Government
e-Services), thus creating an
> > Internet Community and an IT
culture. Am not sure we necessarily need
> > support from outside to
do this, even donor funds (we don't need). We
> > can do it on our
own, as we (Kenya) are, now, known to be an emerging
> > knowledge
economy. GoK can lead the way to create a Kenyan way
> > 'working
with'and using ICT. We have so many Youth (any way), who are
> >
jobless! Lets purposefully develop capacity of these young and use
them
> sufficiently.
> >
> >
> >
> >
I rest my case, and I apologise for any misunderstandings.
>
>
> >
> >
> > LILIAN
> >
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Tue, 4/6/10,
robert yawe <
robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: robert yawe <
robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
>
> Subject: Who is ICT Board? - Capacity Building
> > To: "Lilian
Karanja" <
l_wkaranja@yahoo.com>
> >
Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>
> Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:32 AM
> >
> > Hi
Lilian,
> >
> >
> >
> > Just wanted to
clarify an issue, government has some of the best
> > trained ICT
fellows and I know because I have regularly interacted
> > with them
for over 10 years. Do not be deceived by the fact that they
> >
are no fancy websites or iphone applications the men and women who
>
> keep the government systems running are basically miracle
workers.
> >
> >
> >
> > How they do it is
beyond my comprehension and the last thin they need
> > is a capacity
building what they need like all with the other areas of
> >
government is a co-ordinator or a Deputy Prime Minister IS. Hon
Raila
> > has definitely moved government efficiency a notch higher
and without
> > a "dream team" or expatriate consultants all he did
was dust off the
> diamonds within.
> >
> >
>
>
> > Government has a beautiful retention strategy which is we
pay you for
> > 2 hours a day and we expect you to only deliver the
paid for work, if
> > you are unable to find something profitable to
do with the balance 6
> > hours then that is your problem.
>
>
> >
> >
> > What we need is a deputy prime
minister information systems or ICT or
> > BPO whatever the name of
which KICTB has proven not to be to "desilo"
> > (term coined by Dr.
Ndemo during the PM Round table meeting) the
> > government
activities.
> >
> >
> >
> > Can you
government ICT gurus stick your heads out and defend your
> > selves,
I know many of you are on this listing, so be warned that next
> >
time I need to put the record strait on your behalf I will actually
name
> names.
> >
> >
> > Robert Yawe
>
> KAY System Technologies Ltd
> > Phoenix House, 6th Floor
>
> P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200
> > Kenya
> >
> >
Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696
> >
> >
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
>
>
> >
> > From: Lilian Karanja <
l_wkaranja@yahoo.com>
> >
To:
robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>
> Sent: Mon, 5 April, 2010 16:58:41
> > Subject: Re: [kictanet]
Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
> >
> >
> > Dear
PS:
> >
> >
> >
> > It is a little
discouraging to hear you say that the issues discussed
> > in this
topic are 'kuchongoana tu'. We look up to you, and others in
> >
Government and also in the private sector who are so passionate about
>
> the use of ICTs and the Internet to create opportunities for all,
in
> > Kenya, and see that ICT remains a reliable vehicle for
economic growth
> > and development. So, please don't stop listening
to us, patiently and
> > we beseech you to continue in your wisdom in
dealing with these matters.
> >
> >
> >
>
> This topic, 'Who is ICT Board?' as well as that of 'eGovernment is
it
> > a myth or reality?' have raised important questions that
should be
> > addressed with 'a big heart' and an open mind. As you
have noted, a
> > town hall meeting is good and always welcome.
However, moving forward,
> > it needs to be clear how ICT Board
interacts with Government and how
> > it promotes the existence of an
Institutional Framework for ICT
> > management in Government.
Clearly, the ICT Board manages of a huge
> > chunk of donor funds for
ICT growth in Kenya, eGovernment and the
> > likes (through the
KTCIP), but still the Government lags behind in their
> ICT technical
know-how and skills.
> >
> >
> >
> > While
one of their mandate (the ICT Board) is Capacity Building
> >
(Providing GoK and other stakeholders with skills, capacity and
> >
funding for anchor implementation of ICT projects for development)
>
> over time we have only seen laxity in the management of ICT by
>
> Government i.e. poor websites, unsatisfactory performance of
legacy
> > systems, inconsistent DNS & IP address management,
meagre IT Security
> > (web, network, etc), little or no R&D and
M&E of ICT & eGovt, etc. But
> > may be it is not deliberate
laxity, it is that the Government Officers
> > who manage IT issues
in Government are not continuously trained in all
> pertinent areas to
raise experts and skillful personnel.
> >
> >
>
>
> > I hope this is an area ICT Board can address, when they say
that part
> > of their mandate is Capacity Building, otherwise we
have Government
> > Officers who cannot do much to use broadband
properly and
> > strategically as well as make eGovernment a reality.
The cabilities of
> > these Officers should be close to, if not
better than those in the
> > private sector. And when GoK finally has
real experts and engineers in
> > ICT, a retention strategy MUST be
adopted to keep them and recompense
> > them accordingly. This is the
future of Government IT, 'people who are
> knowledgeable and focused on
a bright future'.
> >
> >
> >
> >
LILIAN
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 4/4/10,
bitange@jambo.co.ke <
bitange@jambo.co.ke> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > From:
bitange@jambo.co.ke <
bitange@jambo.co.ke>
> >
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
> > To: "Lilian"
<
l_wkaranja@yahoo.com>
>
> Cc: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <
kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
>
> Date: Sunday, April 4, 2010, 9:42 AM
> >
> >
Barrack,
> > Several posts have come by on the role of ICT and I
think it will be
> > wise if we sorted this in a town hall meeting
similar to one we had on
> Malili.
> > Honestly it feels as
though some Neanderthal decided to create these
> > agencies without
putting some thought to it. Criticisms are good only
> > when
you point out where there are gaps.
> >
> > The other day I
posted a policy proposal for comments but only one
> > person did
respond. What it means then is that this forum ni ya
> kuchongoana
tu.
> > Which really is unfortunate. I have four other policy
proposals that
> > I really think should push through then arouse
sufficient interest
> > from the membership here.
>
>
> >
> > Ndemo.
> >
> >
> >
> This is truly "Jicho Pevu", i think some answers to this
questions
> > > are very much in order as we celebrate Easter, can
someone provide
> > > us with a list of all agencies involved in
ICTs and ICT4D so that we
> > > can do some tooth comb analysis, i
saw a post from Paul on what the
> > > board has achieved
early this year, that was very much in order we
> > > need
something from NCS as well plus any other agencies.
> > >
>
> > Regards
> > >
> > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at
12:50 PM, Vitalis Olunga <
volunga@yahoo.com> > <
http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=volunga@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > >> There is also another body , National
Communications Secretarait.
> > >> What is the diffrence
between NCS and ICT Baord and how do the two
> > >> bodies
relate with respect to advisory services to the governement
> >
>> on ICT matters?
> > >>
> > >>
Regards
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
Vitalis
> > >>
> > >>
________________________________
> > >> From: robert yawe
<
robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
> <
http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=robertyawe@yahoo.co.uk>
>
> >
> > >> To:
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http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=volunga@yahoo.com>
>
> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <
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> <
http://us.mc452.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kictanet@lists.kictanet.
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or.ke>
> >
>
> > >> Sent: Sat, April 3, 2010 12:03:22 PM
> >
>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Who is ICT Board? Hijacked
> >
>>
> > >> Hi,
> > >> I rest my case on
this issue, the ICT Board is a monolith, Try
> > >> reading
this... (pdf file), as I feared it is mandated to do
> > >>
anything and everything under the sun that could be called ICT
> >
>> which includes your microwave oven and copier.
> > >>
Functions of Kenya ICT Board
> > >> The core functions of Kenya
ICT Board as documented in the Kenya
> > >> Gazette Legal
Notice No 26 of the May 2007:
> > >> . To advice the
government on all relevant matters pertaining to
> > >>
development, coordination (remember the PM post) and promotion
of
> > >> ICT industries in the country.
> > >>
. Promote both locally and internationally the opportunities for
>
> >> investments in ICT technology . Facilitate and manage
ICT
> > >> industrial incubation parks and technology parks
together with
> > >> associated facilities on sites, estates
and land.
> > >> . Partner with agents within and without
the country to carry out
> > >> such functions as it may
consider necessary.
> > >> . To transform and empower
society through deployment and use of ICTs.
> > >> .
Carry out any other activity to promote and develop ICT products
>
> >> and services.
> > >> Have a restful Easter as we
await the limited range 4G, yes you
> > >> guessed it I still
have a 3G issue and I am in Nairobi.
> > >> Regards
>
> >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>>
> > >>
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