Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya

9 Jul 2008

      Yes they  :"caught us napping" with everything...take a look at the
ISP's and see how for example wananchi on line  was canibalised (for
lack of a better word) it was  one of the indigenous ISP's that was
doing so well.

Anyway...while there is nothing wrong with wearing many hats...Kevit is
director at KEPSA, KIF, ICT board etc etc,  it is important to maintain
a level of transparency , indepedence and adhere to good corporate
goverannce.

It would be interesting to hear from Kevit what they have in place to avoid monopoly, exclusion etc...questions posed by Alex

regards

Wambui

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:33:58 -0400
From: jmanthi@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
CC: kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke
To: wambui@live.co.uk

Alex:
Could this be another example of what Dr Ndemo called (I am misquoting) "they caught us napping"? Maybe we Kenyans should be less gullible and more vigilante.

Joe

On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru@yahoo.com> wrote:

Kevit:

I am afraid you have not clarified well enough. I shall not ask you further KEPSA questions although on your previous email you told Waundo "As the director of KEPSA  I welcome CSK and any other association to full membership of KEPSA." Apparently this now appears to have changed. And I doubt Waundo complained of "exclusion" not of his private self, rather of CSK? I could be wrong but he could clarify.

On Jun 23, 2008 it was announced that a "Local Software Industry Association established" with, among others, "3.1 Objective, Market the local software industry to venture capitalists." (see announcement document attached) Was it registered under Societies Act( Read Public interest) or as Private (non-or-for-profit) Company? I found it strange it was formed 3 days to aour very successful and OPEN BarCamp. Is this one also under your umbrella?

On the links you sent onlist:

www.innovation-africa.net

Domain Name: INNOVATION-AFRICA.NET

   Registrar: TUCOWS INC.

   Whois Server: whois.tucows.com

   Referral URL: http://domainhelp.opensrs.net

   Name Server: ULTRA103.UK2.NET

   Name Server: ULTRA104.UK2.NET

   Status: redemptionPeriod

   Updated Date: 24-jun-2008

   Creation Date: 14-may-2007

   Expiration Date: 14-may-2008

I tried www.innovation-africa.co.ke >> was re-directing to >> www.kif.or.ke ( but today it now says "under construction") I gather Centurion Systems offices accommodates KIF, is that correct?

What I am trying is to understand is who speaks in the background when when "KIF" issues "stakeholders" statements on an issue,how representative or public service-oriented, good governance, in trying to understand new and old associations' motives.

With above information, it would clear doubts of public policy participation illegitimacy or inappropriate public procurement involvement(s). For the sake of our growing transparent ICTs abundantly rewarding enterprising citizens.

Alex

--- On Wed, 7/9/08, kevit desai <kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com> wrote:
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From: kevit desai <kevit@centurionsystemsltd.com>
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Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
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To: alex.gakuru@yahoo.com
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Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 2:50 AM
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From: Alex Gakuru [mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com]
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
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How does KEPSA and KIF governance relate ensuring decisions
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The political issue here may be monopolization to the
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<http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba
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--- On Tue, 7/8/08, kevit desai
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From: kevit desai
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
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To: alex.gakuru@yahoo.com
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Cc: secretariat@kif.or.ke, "'KICTAnet ICT
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Cc: secretariat@kif.or.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
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Hello Kevit - I think one needs to be careful when
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-----Original Message-----
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From: waudo siganga [mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com]
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To: kevit desai
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Cc: secretariat@kif.or.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy
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Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for
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Hello Kevit - Since you sent this message to KICTANET
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Cc: secretariat@kif.or.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy
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Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and
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On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 02:45:53 -0700 (PDT),
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Subject: [kictanet] Legislation and
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trade require the new framework.The
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Kenyan
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private sector
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strongly supports
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e-commerce legislation, as well as
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legislation of the
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Information and
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Communication Technology sector that
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guarantees an open
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market and promotes
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innovation.
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Why e-commerce law? Today, legislation
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supporting
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electronic transactions
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represents the single most powerful
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innovation opportunity
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in the legal
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framework of the ICT sector.
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Legislation is
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needed to:
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-Legalize e-commerce transactions by
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recognizing an
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electronic signature
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-Manage and control e-commerce risks
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-Remove e-commerce barriers
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KIF has studied drafts currently
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circulating
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in the public
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domain, the
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Information and Communications Bill,
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2008,
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and the
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Electronic Transactions
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Bill, 2007, respectively, both of which
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are
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of the highest
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technical
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standards. Public panels and hearings
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with
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sectors of the
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economy (including
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tourism, agriculture, ICT) have been
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held on
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6th and 27th
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May, 4th June and
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19th June. The Kenyan private sector
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has
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expressed
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overwhelming support for
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urgent legislation of e-commerce.
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Suggested improvements in Bills - The
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public
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panels and
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hearings to date
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have yielded the following important
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issues
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for improvement
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in the current
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Bills:
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-          Provisions on who can
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prosecute
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are missing
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-          Liability of Internet
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Service
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Providers must be
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demarcated
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-          Clarification on which
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commercial
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documents are
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excluded from
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proposed legislation
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-          Eliminate any ambiguity on
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admissibility of
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electronic evidence
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-          Need for data protection and
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privacy provisions
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-          The Bills are more lenient
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on
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e-commerce fraud
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than on
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traditional fraud
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-          Remove inconsistencies in
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determining crimes and
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punishments
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-          Provisions for the inclusion
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of
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cyber-crime
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within the scope of
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the Extradition Act
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-          Creation of an Administrator
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for
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e-commerce laws
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whose functions
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will be policy implementation and
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advisory,
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as a
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multi-sectoral body with
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industry associations including KIF,
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lead
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regulator
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Communications
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Commission of Kenya and co-regulator
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Central
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Bank of Kenya
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Gains in tourism, agriculture,
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healthcare
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Industry sectors, notably the tourism
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industry, are
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expressing their desire
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to see e-commerce covered by law. In
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tourism, on-line
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travel bookings have
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exceeded 80% in the USA and 50% in
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Europe.
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Decline in
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off-line bookings is
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in ample evidence. Those destinations
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that
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cannot legally
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support abundant
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on-line booking, such as Kenya, will
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loose
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market share.
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E-commerce in
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agriculture will improve
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small-holder's
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living
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standards. Great impact is
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expected notably in the coffee sector
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that
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provides
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livelihood to at least 5
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million Kenyans, as well as in the
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dairy
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industry.
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Healthcare efficiency and
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affordability will improve by on-line
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health
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data
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management systems.
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Business operators in rural towns and
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rural
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centres have
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also expressed keen
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interest, as they see scope to address
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issues of trade
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efficiency and
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security in rural Kenya.
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What is e-commerce
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E-commerce is a method of trading that
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replaces paper-based
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documentation by
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a mutually binding electronic protocol
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between buyers and
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sellers.
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E-commerce is gaining ground globally
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and
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has become an
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irreversible trend.
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Many trading partners are already
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practicing
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e-commerce, by
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mutual
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agreement, also in Kenya. However,
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e-commerce will reach
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its full potential
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when parties that do not know each
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other are
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able to trade
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with full mutual
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protection under the law. This will
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benefit
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large numbers
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of consumers and
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businesses, including small-holder
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farmers,
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tourism
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operators, small-scale
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industry and services providers in
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almost
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any business
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sector.
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About KIF
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The Kenya Information and Communication
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Technology
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Federation (KIF)
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represents the ICT industry with
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Government
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and with
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private sector bodies
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e.g. Kenya Association of Manufacturers
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and
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Kenya Private
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Sector Alliance
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KEPSA <http://www.kepsa.org/>.
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KIF is
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a legally
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registered membership based
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Association, made up of trade
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associations
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and professional
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bodies within
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the national ICT industry, as well as
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commercial
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corporations. KIF has been
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accepted as the private sector voice of
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ICT
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by Government.
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KIF contributes
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ideas to key sectors like healthcare,
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education,
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agriculture, construction
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industry, and last but not least
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supports
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e-government
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development. KIF is a
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membership-driven organisation. Members
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bring issues on
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public policy and
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industry development forward for KIF to
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take
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action. Issues
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include:
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innovation promotion, education
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improvement,
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duties, taxes
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and levies, rural
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ICT investment. KIF has a strong and
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active
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network, with
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excellent
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relationships with all government
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agencies.
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KIF membership
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is open for
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market segment associations and
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individual
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companies.
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Membership charges are
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annual and based on company size.
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Contact:
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secretariat@kif.or.ke, 020
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MARCEL WERNER, Chairman, Kenya ICT
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Federation
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please send any business mail to:
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