Safaricom's Case seems grounded on the fact that The Thin Sim sits squarely in between your safaricom SIM card (that offers security layer to your accounts within the safaricom network) and the handset whose input devices you use to interact with their SIM. In theory therefore all keystrokes can therefore be "logged", For the Record I will not be putting anything in that phone that I use heavily for bank transactions because while not yet proven beyond reasonable doubt, Safaricom does have a point.

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:
@ Harry D,

I did cover all your questions in the blog. I also thought Parliament (with all due respect to our very able Hon. MP, Eng J. Rege who sits on the respective committee) has jumped the gun and got involved too soon. They should let the regulator do their thing as per law.

Meanwhile, you and I know, there is nothing like 100% security (otherwise German Premier's phone would not have been bugged by the CIA :-) So rather than discuss how insecure the technology is, we should be discussing how to implement the technology with increased levels of assurance/security.

walu.


--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 9/17/14, Harry Delano via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fw: Equity Bank vs Safaricom :-Round 2
 To: jwalu@yahoo.com
 Date: Wednesday, September 17, 2014, 10:56 AM


 What about the headlines indicating
 Parliament has  to have a final say on this, based on
 alleged security ramifications posed by this new Thin-Sim
 Technology..  It is claimed that it's prone to hacks,
 attacks, DoS etc.. and  "will erode significantly the
 gains achieved so far in mobile money market.." Anyone
 with any idea where the technology currently implemented
 - 
 Harry
 On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at
 10:00 PM, Mark Kipyegon via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
 wrote:
 Mpesa succeeds
 primarily because of a strong distribution network. IMO
 Equity have the existing clientele and the resources to
 offer a product that can genuinely challenge
 Safaricom.
 On 16 Sep 2014, at 20:11, "Ahmed Mohamed
 Maawy via kictanet" <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
 wrote:

 With Ali on this one. Mobile
 Money is a gone case in Kenya. If Equity is really providing
 a value add service then its not through its mobile
 platform. Airtel, Yu and Orange all have far cheaper mobile
 money services. If there was a service that would be the
 first to topple M-Pesa it would have been Airtel Money.
 Heck, Airtel even offers cheaper call rates from Airtel to
 Safaricom than from Safaricom to Safaricom and they still
 are not getting customers. Did I mention their network
 coverage is even stronger?

 And what would Equity need to do? Set up masts
 in as far as Kitui, or as far as Maralal, or as far as
 Isiolo? Theres a lot of work to be done before Equity
 becomes a service provider to even match the least
 established provider there is. They would be better off
 working with Yu mobile than working even against Safaricom.
 No offence.

 So the business
 here is in the value add services, which is where mobile
 commerce comes in. What is done is done, the value add is
 what is the worth for now. Not the competition. Because
 competition already exists, no sense saturating it
 further.

 On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at
 7:57 PM, McTim via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
 wrote:
 http://www.economist.com/blogs/baobab/2014/09/disrupting-mobile-banking-kenya

 Does anyone know which
 network Equity is 'virtual" on?

 rgds,

 McTim

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 2014 at 10:03 AM, Sophia Bekele via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
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   On Tuesday, September
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 wrote:





 @Walu
 Lets wait and see...Many have
 written off Safaricom before. What I'm loving
  about this discussion though is the elephant in the room. I
 believe Kenyans are waiting for the next big thing. This
 mobile money thing has been hyped and flogged until its
 dead. The next big thing is mobile commerce. 
 And I don't mean the 'Lipa
 na Mpesa' variety. 
 I mean real m-commerce enablement -
 SME supply chain financing, invoice discounting etc.
 That's where the future is and that's why the KCB
 tie up is interesting. My only concern with that is that
 most banks (fortunately for Safaricom) are old school
 thinkers unwilling to venture into the
 unknown. 
 This ship
 hasn't sailed yet. It remains to be seen who will be at
 the helm.
 Ali
 Hussein
 +254 770 906375 / 0713
  601113
 Twitter:
 @AliHKassimSkype:
 abu-jomoLinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassimBlogwww.alyhussein.com

 "I fear the day
 technology will surpass human interaction. The world will
  have a generation of idiots".  ~ Albert
 Einstein
 Sent
 from my iPad
 On Sep 16,
 2014, at 5:31 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com>
 wrote:

 @Ali,

 Equity is
 not just after Safaricom lunch, they are after their dinner
 as well :-).

 This thin-SIM technology will do what
 Number Portability failed to do.  People are likely to
 "Vooka" onto Equity (cheaper) voice services
 without having to buy two phones or dual-SIM phones.
   Equity mobile money value proposition, will have the
 side-effect of knock the breath out of Safaricom's voice
 revenues...fortunately, Safcom can see this, and they are
 not taking it kindly :-)

 We are
 indeed living in very interesting times in .Ke

 walu.
 --------------------------------------------
 On Tue, 9/16/14, Ali Hussein via kictanet
 <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
 wrote:

  Subject: Re: [kictanet] Equity Bank vs
 Safaricom :-Round 2
  To: jwalu@yahoo.com
  Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2014, 3:18
 PM

  Collins 

 Well put. 
  Walu, 
  I'm keen to understand how
 a
  technology which is a
 commodity ( read here that Safaricom
  can also implement the same technology)
 can usurp
  Safaricom's
 unassailable lead in this

 space.
  What's my
  point? 

 Technology is
  an accelerator
 and NOT The Strategy in itself. Assume first
  that what you can access in the open
 market (as opposed to

 restricted
  technology under patent) your competitors can do
  so too. We usually forget this but MPesa
 isn't even the
  best mobile
 technology in the country. Not even by a long
  short! They managed to capture their
 base through first
  mover
 advantage and a positioning statement that was
  apparently well received by Kenyans. And
 of course there is
  the Network
 Effect of being ubiquitous in the
  space.

 Equity needs to
  execute with
 excellence and not depend on the Technology to
  take on Safaricom.
  Needless to say I would love to be
 a
  fly on the wall in the
 strategy sessions currently going on

  in both companies. Careers will be made or broken
 on
  this..no doubt about
 that.
  Ali
  Hussein

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  906375 / 0713
 601113
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 fear the day
  technology will
 surpass human interaction. The world will
  have a generation of idiots".  ~
 Albert
  Einstein
  Sent from my iPad
  On Sep
  16,
  2014, at 1:06 PM, Collins
 Areba via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
  wrote:

  "We
 are glad
  to use this platform
 to deliver an extension service to our
  customers, It is our heartfelt desire to
 satisfy our
  customers first,
 and if technology affords us that
  opportunity, we are obliged to take up
 on it. If the same
  technology
 should allow us to interact with our customers,
  and have an opportunity to give them
 voice and data
  in the same
 breath, then why not, those would be extras
  to
  the benefit of our
 client... "

  Paraphrased from memory during
 an
  interview on Citizen last
 week. I think this opens the game
  wide Open, and For the Record, Safaricom
 should be given a
  Commercial
 Banking license.

  My 10 Cents.

  On Tue,
 Sep 16, 2014 at
  12:06 PM,
 Walubengo J via kictanet <kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke>
  wrote:

 Listers,



  I thought you might find this
 interesting,



  ----------------

  After
 Equity Bank decided to directly play in the mobile
  money market by issuing its own SIM
 cards, we debated
  heatedly in
 a previous blog whether Safaricom had finally
  met its match.  At the time, it was
 assumed that Equity
  would be
 selling the traditional SIM card, which would
  require customers to either buy dual
 SIM-card phones or
  carry two
 phones in order to access services from two
  existing providers.



  Even
 within the inconvenient scenario above, Equity with
 its
  large customer base was
 bound to pose some significant

 competition to the leading mobile money provider
  Safaricom.  The surprise, it seems, is
 the secret weapon
  Equity
 unveiled recently in the form of a Thin-SIM
  Card....


 ------

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  http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/blogs/dot9/walubengo/-/2274560/2453920/-/11d48l2z/-/index.html












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