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Morgan Stanley casts shadow over Safaricom
by Mike Theuri 18 Jul '08

18 Jul '08

http://www.bdafrica.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8847&Item… "We are just seeing a constant supply of shares which has really dampened the market price, we suspect there are some foreign investors who are exiting the market in a big way," said a top stockbroker who did not want to be named. Fingers are now pointing to the foreign investors pool that benefited from a special reservation of two billion shares, especially after news emerged that Morgan Stanley Investment Bank, the IPO joint lead transaction advisors who were in charge of setting the IPO price in the international pool and allotting shares to all international applicants took up close to half of the shares that were reserved for foreign investors. <http://www.bdafrica.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8847&Item…>

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Re: [kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 14, Issue 121
by kathae＠cskonline.org 17 Jul '08

17 Jul '08

I vote for Eng. Rege. Thanks

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Re: [kictanet] Facilitators - Kenya ICT Stakeholders Forum
by Florence Etta 16 Jul '08

16 Jul '08

I vote Eng James Rege so that brings his total to 3 and rthe highest so far! FE ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Longwe <blongwe(a)gmail.com> To: florence.etta(a)gmail.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 16 July, 2008 10:41:20 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Facilitators - Kenya ICT Stakeholders Forum 1) Engineer Kariuki - 1 2) Florence Etta - 2 3) Ambassador Tabitha Seii - 1 4) Hon. Eng. James Rege, MP - 2 5) David Otwoma - 1 6) Fred Murunga - 1 __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html

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FW: [www.eThinkTankTz.org] Simbo Ntiro - Sad News
by Harry Hare 16 Jul '08

16 Jul '08

For those who knew Simbo Ntiro...very sad news indeed. Harry From: eThinkTankTz(a)yahoogroups.com [mailto:eThinkTankTz@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Sawe Sent: 14 July 2008 13:51 To: ethinktanktz(a)yahoogroups.com; SWOPnet(a)dgroups.org Subject: [www.eThinkTankTz.org] Simbo Ntiro - Sad News Dear colleagues, Today I am dreadfully sorry to have to share tragic information with you. This is that our brother Simbo Ntiro has suffered a terrible car crash in the early hours of Sunday morning (13th July), and that he passed away at the scene, here in Dar es Salaam. We have therefore lost a founding member of our online community and a very energetic participant in national, regional and global efforts in the realm of "ICT for Development". He was to turn only 47 years old next month, and so may have been expected to have plenty more to contribute in many ways. It appears that for some undetermined reason, he lost control of his Honda CRV on Ali Hassan Mwinyi Road, just after passing the small feeder road out of Leader's Club. This caused his car to mount the high pavement and it was stopped by a tree that was hit sideways between the front wheel and the driver's door. We were told that he died instantly of his injuries. I had spent some time with him during the evening before, and he had at the time a very positive mindset brought on by a whole range of issues, one of which was a family get-together due for Sunday afternoon, towards which he had been shopping. And we also discussed a number of forthcoming work-related events which we were preparing jointly. My deepest sympathies go to all among us who knew or interacted with him in any way. Arrangements are being made to set up an online condolence book, so that we may be able to express our sorrow and share our support and memories with his family. I hope to be able to provide you a URL for this before tomorrow. In terms of immediate family, Simbo leaves behind a two children (adolescent and young-adult) who were living with him in Dar, and a wife (their mother) who is due in from Nairobi today. He also has his mother and elder brother who are due in from Kampala. Then he leaves a large extended family with members in Tanzania as well as in Kenya and Uganda. Also grieving for him is a vast network of friends scattered across all four corners of the globe, including this online community. May our Almighty God bless Simbo's soul with eternal peace! 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Re: [kictanet] Facilitators - Kenya ICT Stakeholders Forum
by James Kagwe 16 Jul '08

16 Jul '08

Hon. Eng. James Rege -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+jkagwe=kippra.or.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+jkagwe=kippra.or.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of per-erick(a)i360microsystems.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:27 PM To: James Kagwe Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Facilitators - Kenya ICT Stakeholders Forum Dear I propose Eng. James Rege > Hi, > > From the list,I Propose Hon Eng.James Rege. > > Regards, > Njuguna. > > wainaina.mungai(a)gmail.com wrote: >> Hi, >> >> >From the list, I would vote for either Florence Etta or Eng. James >> Rege, based on previous work. >> >> Further, I would openly vote against Tabitha Seii. >> >> Regards, >> Wainaina >> >> On 7/16/08, Brian Longwe <blongwe(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> So the current list of proposed facilitators reads as follows: >>> >>> 1) Engineer Kariuki, National Communications Secretariat >>> 2) Florence Etta >>> 3) Ambassador Tabitha Seii >>> 4) Hon. Eng. James Rege, MP >>> 5) David Otwoma, National Science Council (did I get that right?) >>> >>> Have I missed any.... >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Brian >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 9:48 PM, Joseph Manthi <jmanthi(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> And humble too >>>> >>>> That's why I propose him >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jul 15, 2008, at 1:26 PM, "David Otwoma" <otwomad(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Joe, >>>>> >>>>> You flatter me. >>>>> >>>>> Our Society (http://www.kenyabposociety.or.ke/) has an able Chair and >>>>> she would best articulate us on such a forum as evolving from here. >>>>> In >>>>> addition to the contemporary positions of chair, secretary and >>>>> treasurer as required by the relevant regulations we also have >>>>> evolved >>>>> special Committees (e.g. Standard & Ethics which I chair and have >>>>> seven members, but more important Training, Marketing, Membership, >>>>> Events....among others). >>>>> >>>>> We also are young, just turned one year and hence would learn more >>>>> from our seniors here who have been in the game for longer times. >>>>> However, we pride ourselves as trail blazers in BPO & CC and are >>>>> having teething issues. But we wont develop crooked teeth, with your >>>>> watchfullness, hopefully. >>>>> >>>>> You flatter me. >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards, >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Joseph Manthi <jmanthi(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Can I suggest the The Chief Science Secretary in the Ministry of >>>>>> Science and >>>>>> Technology David Otwoma who has just successfully chaired the >>>>>> Standards >>>>>> Committee of the BPO discussion? >>>>>> >>>>>> Well travelled, well spoken and with great leadership skills >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:17 AM, Bill Kagai <billkagai(a)gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Brian Longwe <blongwe(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would suggest that we have a freestyle discussion - send your >>>>>>>> proposals >>>>>>>> as a title with a short paragraph describing the point - then >>>>>>>> other (or >>>>>>>> yourself) can contribute add/subtract. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brian - This is also called 'moving forward'. Thanks for getting >>>>>>> us here. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think the first agenda could be the facilitation issue before it >>>>>>> gets >>>>>>> out of hand. Dr. Ndemo has already demonstrated 'top of the >>>>>>> pyramid' >>>>>>> leadership by agreeing to host the forum. By extension, maybe we >>>>>>> could all >>>>>>> be happy if we agreed a body mandated to drive policy e.g. National >>>>>>> Communications Secretariat facilitates the session. I am thinking >>>>>>> Dr. >>>>>>> Kulubi...Eng. Kariuki. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [My immediate thoughts]. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This message was sent to: jmanthi(a)gmail.com >>>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jmanthi%40gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Joseph Manthi >>>>>> CEO >>>>>> MEO Ltd >>>>>> http://www.meoltd.com >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>>> >>>>>> This message was sent to: otwomad(a)gmail.com >>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otwomad%40gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> David Otwoma, >>>>> Chief Science Secretary, >>>>> National Council for Science and Technology, >>>>> Utalii House 9th Floor, >>>>> Mobile tel: +254 722 141771, >>>>> Office tel: +254 (0)20 2346915, >>>>> P. O. Box 29899 - 00100, Nairobi, Kenya >>>>> email: otwomad(a)gmail.com & otwoma(a)ncst.go.ke >>>>> www.ncst.go.ke >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> kictanet mailing list >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>> >>>> This message was sent to: blongwe(a)gmail.com >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/blongwe%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Brian Munyao Longwe >>> e-mail: blongwe(a)gmail.com >>> cell: + 254 722 518 744 >>> blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com >>> meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: per-erick(a)i360microsystems.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/per-erick%40i360mic rosystems.com > _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: jkagwe(a)kippra.or.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jkagwe%40kippra.or. ke

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Re: [kictanet] Facilitators - Kenya ICT Stakeholders Forum
by Inge Vervloesem 16 Jul '08

16 Jul '08

Hi, I also vote for Eng. James Rege. Cheers, Inge

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Re: [kictanet] Facilitators - Kenya ICT Stakeholders Forum
by Florence Etta 16 Jul '08

16 Jul '08

Hi Brian, I would vote for Eng Rege. This would thus bring his tally to 3 and the highest! Cheers, FE ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Longwe <blongwe(a)gmail.com> To: feanywhere(a)yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 16 July, 2008 10:41:20 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Facilitators - Kenya ICT Stakeholders Forum 1) Engineer Kariuki - 1 2) Florence Etta - 2 3) Ambassador Tabitha Seii - 1 4) Hon. Eng. James Rege, MP - 2 5) David Otwoma - 1 6) Fred Murunga - 1 __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html

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Re: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Sector Stakeholder Public Forum (was Re: Legislation and Discipline & Ethics)
by Florence Etta 16 Jul '08

16 Jul '08

My dear Brian, May I humbly publicly offer my services to facilitate such a Forum since I am NOT Kenyan I wil not take sides. Besides, I am passionate about developments in this sector and in the continent at large and I love to bring people together to discuss constructiuvely. Trust me. Cheers, Florence Etta Alternative Email:florence.etta@gmail.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Brian Munyao Longwe <brian(a)caret.net> To: feanywhere(a)yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 14 July, 2008 4:39:57 PM Subject: [kictanet] Kenya ICT Sector Stakeholder Public Forum (was Re: Legislation and Discipline & Ethics) Hi all, We are proposing a Public Forum on Thursday 31st of July to be held at a suitable venue in Nairobi. The objective will be to provide all the different ICT stakeholder organisations within Kenya a chance to introduce themselves and their policies to the public. There will also be opportunity to evaluate Kenya's ICT ecosystem, especially with regards to the different entities, their missions, roles and goals. As well as provide organisations such as KEPSA with an opportunity to share their view/vision on how they expect ICT sector input/engagement. Formal announcement will be posted once details have been worked out, but in the meantime please pencil this into your schedules. We can also explore the possibility of an IP stream for the Diaspora... if there is interest in tracking this. Warm regards, Brian On Jul 14, 2008, at 2:48 PM, Bill Kagai wrote: Daktari, I agree with you to some extent. If I were to chronicle the genesis of the problem, some organisations were/are feeling choked by KIF especially in relation to KEPSA. In my opinion, this means that KIF has managed to do many things better than others to get where they are. However, that should not mean that KIF now becomes the blanket representative of the industry in matters pertaining to KEPSA. Other specialised organisations e.g. Skunkworks, CSK, Kictanet etc should have equal opportunity to adress their sector specific concerns with any stakeholder. [Government/Industry/Public]. E.g. If a foreign software house came to Government seeking advice on how to partner with the local industry, why should KIF seize the opportunity when we know that Skunkworks is more adept in those matters?? [Caveat - organisations mentioned for purpose of elaboration only] The crux of the matter is that these new organisations do not come up because of sector specific concerns they wish addressed...service, bandwidth, policy, payment gateways etc but because officials running established organisations have become 'Mugabes' resisting change and growing old [literally] in those positions. You are best placed to provide leadership here by insisting that you will only engage with organisations that run efficient structures with clear mandates from their electorates and I will follow by paying membership in all organisations that I feel will help air my business concerns in the industry. Actually, I will be comfortable dealing with your ministry through my sector organisation instead of all us queueing at your reception. And I will hold my organisation leader responsible and thus create more time for you to engage with others. Waudo::: You know what am talking about. Be brave...wachia vijana usukani. Bill On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 4:30 PM, <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: Bill, In my view, such fracases are an indication of the level of activity in our sector. We however must exercise our freedom of speech with responsibility. If nothing was happening, nobody will feel squeezed. We must show the world that inspite of our differences, we are able to remain focused. I wish we spent more energy on diffusion of technoloy. We have limitless opportunities in this sector that we must encourage more foreign equity participation to ensure a flow of technology transfer. This is what the NICs did. Asante. Ndemo. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: brian(a)caret.net Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/brian%40caret.net __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html

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Agenda Bashing - Kenya ICT Stakeholders Forum
by Brian Longwe 16 Jul '08

16 Jul '08

Hi all, So let's start off with a few days of throwing around possible agenda areas. This hould give us a sense of what issues have high priority and how much time we need to set aside to deal with them. I would suggest that we have a freestyle discussion - send your proposals as a title with a short paragraph describing the point - then other (or yourself) can contribute add/subtract. Then after a reasonable period we can coalesce these inputs into a single agenda for the meeting and also decide on what format would best suit the dialogue/debate on thiat particular item. e.g. for the different ICT organisations I think a Panel format, where each group gets 15 minutes to "share" - then the audience gets a chance to "interact" - and a session moderator does a wrap up. another thing that I think would be good is to have an "Open Mic" session where for a period of time any participant can air/vent any view for 3 minutes. any other suggestions? Regards, Brian

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Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya
by Alex Gakuru 16 Jul '08

16 Jul '08

Kevit: I am afraid you have not clarified well enough. I shall not ask you further KEPSA questions although on your previous email you told Waundo "As the director of KEPSA I welcome CSK and any other association to full membership of KEPSA." Apparently this now appears to have changed. And I doubt Waundo complained of "exclusion" not of his private self, rather of CSK? I could be wrong but he could clarify. On Jun 23, 2008 it was announced that a "Local Software Industry Association established" with, among others, "3.1 Objective, Market the local software industry to venture capitalists." (see announcement document attached) Was it registered under Societies Act( Read Public interest) or as Private (non-or-for-profit) Company? I found it strange it was formed 3 days to aour very successful and OPEN BarCamp. Is this one also under your umbrella? On the links you sent onlist: www.innovation-africa.net Domain Name: INNOVATION-AFRICA.NET Registrar: TUCOWS INC. Whois Server: whois.tucows.com Referral URL: http://domainhelp.opensrs.net Name Server: ULTRA103.UK2.NET Name Server: ULTRA104.UK2.NET Status: redemptionPeriod Updated Date: 24-jun-2008 Creation Date: 14-may-2007 Expiration Date: 14-may-2008 I tried www.innovation-africa.co.ke >> was re-directing to >> www.kif.or.ke ( but today it now says "under construction") I gather Centurion Systems offices accommodates KIF, is that correct? What I am trying is to understand is who speaks in the background when when "KIF" issues "stakeholders" statements on an issue,how representative or public service-oriented, good governance, in trying to understand new and old associations' motives. With above information, it would clear doubts of public policy participation illegitimacy or inappropriate public procurement involvement(s). For the sake of our growing transparent ICTs abundantly rewarding enterprising citizens. Alex --- On Wed, 7/9/08, kevit desai <kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com> wrote: > From: kevit desai <kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com> > Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya > To: alex.gakuru(a)yahoo.com > Cc: "'kictanet-lists'" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Date: Wednesday, July 9, 2008, 2:50 AM > Hi Alex, > > I'm pleased to clarify as much as I can. > > Kepsa has an open membership of PRIVATE sector industry and > market segment > associations in almost all economic sectors. Independence: > KEPSA decisions > are dependent on members wishes, and members are drawn from > the private > sector. In fact, NGO's are not approached for > membership in KEPSA, neither > are government bodies including parastatals. KIF follows > the same approach > for membership and decision-making. No NGO's and > government agencies are > member ofn KIF. However, KEPSA and KIF consult on a REGULAR > BASIS with all > those stakeholders. Having said that, KEPSA and KIF have no > obligation to > offer service to non members. > > Hopefully this helps to clarify. Do get in touch with Sam > Mwaura of KEPSA or > Marcel Werner of KIF. > > > Kevit > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alex Gakuru [mailto:alex.gakuru@yahoo.com] > Sent: 09 July 2008 04:45 > To: kevit desai > Cc: kictanet-lists > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for > e-Commerce in Kenya > > Kevit, > > > How does KEPSA and KIF governance relate ensuring decisions > independence? > The political issue here may be monopolization to the > extent of clouding out > other actors thereby generating conflict. The Motive Theory > steps in. > > We investigate the effects of competition on subjects' > attitude towards > cooperation. Three groups face three economic environments > with different > degrees of competition, from a benchmark case with no > competition at all up > to a perfect competition case. Subjects contribute > generously to a public > project in the absence of competition, whereas they > contribute very little > in the presence of a maximum degree of competition. A > diminishing attitude > towards cooperation clearly emerges as the degree of > competition increases. > Therefore, if cooperation does enhance well-being, the > maximum degree of > competition may be not efficient. > > <http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/B6W5H-4N0GDV1-1/2/fb32f4c6e9ba > 6a6f51d7da9d40d806eb> > > react. > > > --- On Tue, 7/8/08, kevit desai > <kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com> wrote: > > > From: kevit desai > <kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for > e-Commerce in Kenya > > To: alex.gakuru(a)yahoo.com > > Cc: secretariat(a)kif.or.ke, "'KICTAnet ICT > Policy Discussions'" > <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > Date: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 1:14 PM > > Hi Waudo, > > > > As the director of KEPSA I welcome CSK and any other > > association to full > > membership of KEPSA. We look forward to a meaningful > > partnership. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kevit Desai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: waudo siganga [mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com] > > Sent: 08 July 2008 13:55 > > To: Kevit Desai > > Cc: secretariat(a)kif.or.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy > > Discussions' > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for > > e-Commerce in Kenya > > > > > > > > Hello Kevit - I think one needs to be careful when > handling > > KEPSA and KIF at > > the same time. Do not use your foothold in KEPSA to > promote > > KIF at the > > expense of other associations. The explanation is very > > simple: KEPSA was > > formed as a focal point, a bringing together > characterised > > by INCLUSIVITY. > > KIF on the other hand is an independent association > and the > > nature of such > > an association is EXCLUSIVITY (through membership > > mechanism). I would like > > to see the promotion of more associations on the KEPSA > ICT > > Board, not just > > KIF. Please give us space. > > > > Waudo > > > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Jul 2008 11:07:07 +0300, "Kevit > Desai" > > <kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com> said: > > > > Hi Alex, > > > > > > > > KEPSA (info(a)kepsa.or.ke) private sector policy body > with > > its own governance > > structure. Elected as a director in private capacity > and as > > KIF vice > > chairman. > > > > > > > > KIF (secretariat(a)kif.or.ke) membership-based industry > > association, member > > of KEPSA's ICT section. Elected as vice-chairman. > > > > > > > > Centurion Systems Ltd: (www.centurionsystemsltd.com) > > private company, > > director, member of KIF. > > > > > > > > Director of Engineering - Centurion Systems Ltd > > > > Chairperson IEEE - Kenya Section > > > > Chairperson - Engineering Students Exhibition > > > > Governor - KEPSA > > > > Director - KEPSA > > > > Director - Innovation Africa > > > > Director- Kenya ICT Board > > > > Vice Chairman - Kenya ICT Federation > > > > BOA - AIESEC > > > > Member - National Strategy for University Education > > > > Co-ordinator - Growing Sustainable Business(GSB)-UNDP > Kenya > > > > General Co-Chair - Africon 2009 > > > > > > > > 2nd Fl, New Rehema Hse, > > > > Raphta Rd > > > > , Westlands -Nairobi > > > > P.O. BOX 66031 - 00800 Nrb. > > > > Tel:+254 20 4440102/3 Fax: +254 20 4440104 CDMA: 020 > > 2049750 > > > > Mobile: +254 722 517067 > > > > > > > > http://www.centurionsystemsltd.com > > > > http://www.ieee.org > > > > http://www.engineeringexhibition.co.ke > > > > http://www.innovation-africa.net > > > > http://www.kepsa.or.ke > > > > http://www.powerup.co.ke > > > > http://www.aiesec.org > > > > http://www.africon2007.co.za > > > > http://www.kif.or.ke > > > > htpp://www.ict.go.ke > > > > http://www.globalcompact.org > > > > http://www.undp.org/business/gsb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: waudo siganga [mailto:emailsignet@mailcan.com] > > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:40 PM > > To: kevit desai > > Cc: secretariat(a)kif.or.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy > > Discussions' > > Subject: RE: [kictanet] Legislation and Regulation for > > e-Commerce in Kenya > > > > > > > > Hello Kevit - Since you sent this message to KICTANET > I can > > answer it on > > > > the same forum. I think the picture being painted > about a > > rosy situation > > > > including "collaboration" is simply not > true. The > > reason to be frank is > > > > that there a few in your KIF who do not want any other > > association to > > > > have a voice in KEPSA or to interact with Government. > Could > > you as a > > > > KEPSA director ensure that all interested associations > > including the > > > > major ones not in KIF are allowed room to contribute > in > > KEPSA? It can be > > > > sad if you mis-use your position in KEPSA only to > promote > > KIF and crack > > > > down on those you feel are in the way. > > > > Waudo > > > > > > > > On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 21:02:31 +0300, "kevit > desai" > > > > <kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com> said: > > > > > Hi Walu, > > > > > Associations are welcome to be members of KEPSA. > I > > would like to confirm > > > > > that the KEPSA/KIF relationship is vibrant. We > would > > like to do a lot > > > > > more > > > > > and welcome more support. > > > > > We appreciate Waudo's contributions at our > last > > ministerial stakeholder > > > > > forum. > > > > > Collaboration is the way forward. > > > > > > > > > > Kevit Desai > > > > > KEPSA Director > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: > > > kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > > > > > > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kevit=centurionsystemsltd.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] > > > > > On Behalf Of waudo siganga > > > > > Sent: 07 July 2008 19:02 > > > > > To: kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com > > > > > Cc: secretariat(a)kif.or.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy > > Discussions > > > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Legislation and > Regulation for > > e-Commerce in > > > > > Kenya > > > > > > > > > > Hi Walu - I am catching you loud and clear on > GPRS > > somewhere in the > > > > > bush. I did bring out the issue of regulating the > IT > > (or ICT) Profession > > > > > on this list a few months ago. But the rather > > unenthusiastic response I > > > > > got gave me the sense that possibly this was not > the > > correct list since > > > > > many of the subscribers appear just interested in > ICT > > Policy rather than > > > > > being actual IT Experts. Within the next two > weeks > > there will be another > > > > > list for professionals and you will be informed > (you > > have the > > > > > qualifications, don't you??). We are pushing > for a > > registration board > > > > > like thise done last yeaer for nutritionists and > > Procurement > > > > > Practitioners. There is a lot of work going on > > unheralded. All we need > > > > > is a champion or chanpions in the right place. > > > > > Waudo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 02:45:53 -0700 (PDT), > "John > > Walubengo" > > > > > <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> said: > > > > > > Marcel, > > > > > > > > > > > > It looks like quite some work has been > ongoing in > > this > > > > > > area...unfortunately it seems as if it was > > restricted within KIF only? > > I > > > > > > wonder if Computer Society of Kenya (CSK, > Waudo r > > u there?) or > > > > > > Information Security Audit & Control > > (ISACA-Kenya Chapter) just to > > > > > > mention some of the big IT Associations in > Kenya > > were involved. I beg to > > > > > > be enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > This brings in an old question - who really > > represents the IT Profession > > > > > > in Kenya? Shem has been on record as saying > that > > IT is the only > > > > > > discipline where we seem to lack bodies with > the > > same authority as LSK > > > > > > (Law Society of Kenya), IEK (Institute of > > Engineers of Kenya), Medical > > > > > > Practictioners Board amongst others to > regulate > > the IT Profession. > > > > > > > > > > > > And by the way, KICTAnet does not fit the > bill > > either (and has a > > > > > > different objective anyway). But time has > come > > to really start thinking > > > > > > of regulating the IT profession, even as we > > struggle to regulate the > > > > > > industry...Ideally, CSK should take the lead > on > > this, but they have been > > > > > > awfully quite except when they award prizes > at > > the end of the year > > (Waudo > > > > > > I know u will kill me offline but I just had > to > > say it!). > > > > > > > > > > > > KEPSA? very reputable and effective > particularly > > in the Manufacturing > > > > > > sector but on IT? am not sure they have been > as > > effective - particularly > > > > > > because the link between KEPSA/KIF and the > IT > > industry has been 'cloudy' > > > > > > for lack of a better word...Can for example > CSK > > or ISACA be part of > > > > > > KEPSA without being part of KIF? I again > need to > > be enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > > > O.K. I agree I did digress, but just > thinking > > loudly and saying that as > > > > > > we think of regulating electronic > transactions, > > we also need to > > > > > > simultaneously start regulating the IT > > profession..but maybe I am wrong. > > > > > > Particularly because regulation can and > often > > leads to suppression... > > > > > > > > > > > > walu. > > > > > > --- On Sun, 7/6/08, Marcel Werner > > <marcelcwerner(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Marcel Werner > > <marcelcwerner(a)gmail.com> > > > > > > > Subject: [kictanet] Legislation and > > Regulation for e-Commerce in Kenya > > > > > > > To: jwalu(a)yahoo.com > > > > > > > Cc: secretariat(a)kif.or.ke, > "KICTAnet > > ICT Policy Discussions" > > > > > <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, July 6, 2008, 6:43 PM > > > > > > > Legislation and Regulation for > e-Commerce in > > Kenya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kenya ICT Federation (KIF) - Briefing > Note # > > 3 - Report - > > > > > > > Public Panel 19 > > > > > > > June 2008 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Electronic commerce (e-commerce) will > add > > at least one > > > > > > > percent point growth > > > > > > > to Kenya's overall economic growth > > within five years. > > > > > > > This is contingent > > > > > > > upon the adoption of legislation that > > supports electronic > > > > > > > transactions. *Kenya, > > > > > > > as an emerging economy and regional > leader, > > lags behind in > > > > > > > having a legal > > > > > > > framework for e-commerce in place. The > > current situation is > > > > > > > an anachronism > > > > > > > hampering national development, placing > > provincial centres > > > > > > > at a > > > > > > > disadvantage, and harming global > > competitiveness. Both > > > > > > > external and internal > > > > > > > trade require the new framework.The > Kenyan > > private sector > > > > > > > strongly supports > > > > > > > e-commerce legislation, as well as > > legislation of the > > > > > > > Information and > > > > > > > Communication Technology sector that > > guarantees an open > > > > > > > market and promotes > > > > > > > innovation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why e-commerce law? Today, legislation > > supporting > > > > > > > electronic transactions > > > > > > > represents the single most powerful > > innovation opportunity > > > > > > > in the legal > > > > > > > framework of the ICT sector. > Legislation is > > needed to: > > > > > > > -Legalize e-commerce transactions by > > recognizing an > > > > > > > electronic signature > > > > > > > -Manage and control e-commerce risks > > > > > > > -Remove e-commerce barriers > > > > > > > KIF has studied drafts currently > circulating > > in the public > > > > > > > domain, the > > > > > > > Information and Communications Bill, > 2008, > > and the > > > > > > > Electronic Transactions > > > > > > > Bill, 2007, respectively, both of which > are > > of the highest > > > > > > > technical > > > > > > > standards. Public panels and hearings > with > > sectors of the > > > > > > > economy (including > > > > > > > tourism, agriculture, ICT) have been > held on > > 6th and 27th > > > > > > > May, 4th June and > > > > > > > 19th June. The Kenyan private sector > has > > expressed > > > > > > > overwhelming support for > > > > > > > urgent legislation of e-commerce. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suggested improvements in Bills - The > public > > panels and > > > > > > > hearings to date > > > > > > > have yielded the following important > issues > > for improvement > > > > > > > in the current > > > > > > > Bills: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Provisions on who can > prosecute > > are missing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Liability of Internet > Service > > Providers must be > > > > > > > demarcated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Clarification on which > commercial > > documents are > > > > > > > excluded from > > > > > > > proposed legislation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Eliminate any ambiguity on > > admissibility of > > > > > > > electronic evidence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Need for data protection and > > privacy provisions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - The Bills are more lenient > on > > e-commerce fraud > > > > > > > than on > > > > > > > traditional fraud > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Remove inconsistencies in > > determining crimes and > > > > > > > punishments > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Provisions for the inclusion > of > > cyber-crime > > > > > > > within the scope of > > > > > > > the Extradition Act > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Creation of an Administrator > for > > e-commerce laws > > > > > > > whose functions > > > > > > > will be policy implementation and > advisory, > > as a > > > > > > > multi-sectoral body with > > > > > > > industry associations including KIF, > lead > > regulator > > > > > > > Communications > > > > > > > Commission of Kenya and co-regulator > Central > > Bank of Kenya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gains in tourism, agriculture, > healthcare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Industry sectors, notably the tourism > > industry, are > > > > > > > expressing their desire > > > > > > > to see e-commerce covered by law. In > > tourism, on-line > > > > > > > travel bookings have > > > > > > > exceeded 80% in the USA and 50% in > Europe. > > Decline in > > > > > > > off-line bookings is > > > > > > > in ample evidence. Those destinations > that > > cannot legally > > > > > > > support abundant > > > > > > > on-line booking, such as Kenya, will > loose > > market share. > > > > > > > E-commerce in > > > > > > > agriculture will improve > small-holder's > > living > > > > > > > standards. Great impact is > > > > > > > expected notably in the coffee sector > that > > provides > > > > > > > livelihood to at least 5 > > > > > > > million Kenyans, as well as in the > dairy > > industry. > > > > > > > Healthcare efficiency and > > > > > > > affordability will improve by on-line > health > > data > > > > > > > management systems. > > > > > > > Business operators in rural towns and > rural > > centres have > > > > > > > also expressed keen > > > > > > > interest, as they see scope to address > > issues of trade > > > > > > > efficiency and > > > > > > > security in rural Kenya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is e-commerce > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E-commerce is a method of trading that > > replaces paper-based > > > > > > > documentation by > > > > > > > a mutually binding electronic protocol > > between buyers and > > > > > > > sellers. > > > > > > > E-commerce is gaining ground globally > and > > has become an > > > > > > > irreversible trend. > > > > > > > Many trading partners are already > practicing > > e-commerce, by > > > > > > > mutual > > > > > > > agreement, also in Kenya. However, > > e-commerce will reach > > > > > > > its full potential > > > > > > > when parties that do not know each > other are > > able to trade > > > > > > > with full mutual > > > > > > > protection under the law. This will > benefit > > large numbers > > > > > > > of consumers and > > > > > > > businesses, including small-holder > farmers, > > tourism > > > > > > > operators, small-scale > > > > > > > industry and services providers in > almost > > any business > > > > > > > sector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About KIF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Kenya Information and Communication > > Technology > > > > > > > Federation (KIF) > > > > > > > represents the ICT industry with > Government > > and with > > > > > > > private sector bodies > > > > > > > e.g. Kenya Association of Manufacturers > and > > Kenya Private > > > > > > > Sector Alliance > > > > > > > KEPSA <http://www.kepsa.org/>. > KIF is > > a legally > > > > > > > registered membership based > > > > > > > Association, made up of trade > associations > > and professional > > > > > > > bodies within > > > > > > > the national ICT industry, as well as > > commercial > > > > > > > corporations. KIF has been > > > > > > > accepted as the private sector voice of > ICT > > by Government. > > > > > > > KIF contributes > > > > > > > ideas to key sectors like healthcare, > > education, > > > > > > > agriculture, construction > > > > > > > industry, and last but not least > supports > > e-government > > > > > > > development. KIF is a > > > > > > > membership-driven organisation. Members > > bring issues on > > > > > > > public policy and > > > > > > > industry development forward for KIF to > take > > action. Issues > > > > > > > include: > > > > > > > innovation promotion, education > improvement, > > duties, taxes > > > > > > > and levies, rural > > > > > > > ICT investment. KIF has a strong and > active > > network, with > > > > > > > excellent > > > > > > > relationships with all government > agencies. > > KIF membership > > > > > > > is open for > > > > > > > market segment associations and > individual > > companies. > > > > > > > Membership charges are > > > > > > > annual and based on company size. > Contact: > > > > > > > secretariat(a)kif.or.ke, 020 > > > > > > > 4440102 > > > > > > > MARCEL WERNER, Chairman, Kenya ICT > > Federation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > please send any business mail to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marcel.Werner(a)innovation-africa.or.ke_______________________________________ > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > kictanet mailing list > > > > > > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > > > > > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This message was sent to: > jwalu(a)yahoo.com > > > > > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > kictanet mailing list > > > > > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > > > > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > > > > > > > > > This message was sent to: > emailsignet(a)mailcan.com > > > > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/emailsignet%40mailcan.c > > > > > om > > > > > People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom > makes > > people work > > > > > (Confucius). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > kictanet mailing list > > > > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > > > > > > > This message was sent to: > > kevit(a)centurionsystemsltd.com > > > > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > > > > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kevit%40centurionsystem > > > > > sltd.com > > > > > > > > > People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom makes > people > > work (Confucius). > > > > > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, > version > > of virus signature > > database 3248 (20080707) __________ > > > > > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > People make a plan work, a plan alone seldom makes > people > > work > > > (Confucius)._______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > This message was sent to: alex.gakuru(a)yahoo.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alex.gakuru%40yahoo.com

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