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Re: [kictanet] An Honest Analysis
by Tim Rick 18 Nov '08

18 Nov '08

Aki, Its good to give people the respect!As much you know what you know and Robert knows what he does,involving other people in your conversation is not fair!Calling people idiots is lack of respect to peoples opinion!Those who have joined Robert's sites knew what they were doing! Please respect people! 2008/11/18 <kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Send kictanet mailing list submissions to > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > You can reach the person managing the list at > kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Tandaa - An Honest Analysis (Robert Alai) > 2. Re: Tandaa - An Honest Analysis (aki) > 3. CS speakers for IGF opening and closing sessions] (alice) > 4. Re: Tandaa - An Honest Analysis (Joseph Manthi) > 5. Re: Tandaa - An Honest Analysis (James Kagwe) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:37:14 +0300 > From: "Robert Alai" <alai.robert(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis > To: "KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Message-ID: > <21ca13ee0811180637l44400449n54c30848ec2afb34(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > AKI > > As I forgot to copy all > > Please keep off my sites. the mail you are talking about is down there > > Alai > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Robert Alai <alai.robert(a)gmail.com> > Date: Nov 18, 2008 3:46 PM > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis > To: aki <aki275(a)googlemail.com> > > Aki > > who are you? what are your achievement and knowledge on ICT? You dont even > know anything you are talking about. I will never have a phobia for local > content. I love it and would fight for it. But I can never argue with you > because first, you are ashamed of yourself that you wont come out of the > fake cocoon. > > I deal with real people and real issues and until then, you dont play in my > league and you are not invited to any of my sites. KEEP OFF > > Alai > > On 11/18/08, aki <aki275(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > My last thoughts on this before it becomes more like a blogging site. > > Robert, you are still unable to define local content and therefore unable > to > > match any criticism or critic. Mixing small words with bigger words for > the > > sake of it is the usual illusion. I think the severe arrogance and phobia > of > > local everything ( of course with the usual spices such as politics, > leaders > > and events, esle the traffic to sites would not exist ) is over-rated > and > > the best effort so far according to you for local content is a website > that > > I'd never visit or waste any time on. > > > > So simply moving forward, and as Josiah and the others mentioned : Define > > local content and we will start to get somewhere. > > > > Get to the point. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > This message was sent to: alai.robert(a)gmail.com > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alai.robert%40gmail.com > > > > >

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CS speakers for IGF opening and closing sessions]
by alice 18 Nov '08

18 Nov '08

Dear all For all those from civil society planning to attend the India IGF in December. best alice >From: Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette(a)wzb.eu> >To: governance(a)lists.cpsr.org >Subject: [governance] CS speakers for IGF opening and closing sessions > >Hello, > >the good news is that civil society has speaking positions to fill >for Hyderabad, two for the opening session, one for the closing >session. The bad news is that we have only one week to send a list >of names to the secretariat. > >The secretariat would welcome a list with more than three names to >have some flexibility for regional balancing. >Considering the context, we need accomplished speakers with standing >in civil society. >Gender balance is taken seriously, names of female speakers are >particularly welcome! > >I have been told that the two speakers from the private sector are >both from India. So, we may propose additional speakers from India >but in terms of regional balance, suggestions for speakers from >Africa and Latin America may be more successful. > >Everyone is encouraged to distribute this call for speakers. And, of >course, everyone is free to send suggestions for speakers to the >secretariat directly. However, for practical reasons I would suggest >that the IGC mailing list assumes a coordinating role and aims to >put together a list of names that enjoys support from its members >and other groups. > >The secretariat wishes to hear from us until Nov. 26. Can we manage this? > >Jeanette >____________________________________________________________ >You received this message as a subscriber on the list: > governance(a)lists.cpsr.org >To be removed from the list, send any message to: > governance-unsubscribe(a)lists.cpsr.org > >For all list information and functions, see: > http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/info/governance

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Re: [kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis
by Robert Alai 18 Nov '08

18 Nov '08

I think that this is what Wainaina means On 11/18/08, Robert Alai <alai.robert(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a > critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers. > > I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus > I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses. > > Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and > "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of > subscription by choice rather than forced numbers. > > I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii > africa and other lists. > > Wainaina. See the reply I gave to Gakuru. Blame your teacher and you have > no use being in KICTANET if you cant even know how to operate simple email > addresses in,lists > > > Alai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/08, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a >> critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers. >> >> I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus >> I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses. >> >> Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and >> "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of >> subscription by choice rather than forced numbers. >> >> I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii >> africa and other lists. >> >> Wainaina >> >> >> On 11/18/08, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > Alai, >> > >> > I am somewhat now tempted to start a local content blog focusing on >> > 'opinion influencers' and opinion shapers themselves - informed by the >> > fact that, content is king and awaited 'future online content warfare' >> > arrived a long time ago. >> > >> > So despite excluding my skunkworks presentation from your firing >> > squad, I shall nonetheless shoot back at you;) >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Robert Alai <alai.robert(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Mirembe >> >> >> >> I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference. >> >> >> >> The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother >> still >> >> sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we want >> >> local >> >> content we must stilldo it with foreigners'. >> > >> > Paul stated, "Let's realise that Internet is one. How can have 'our >> > Internet' so shielded away for 'outsiders Internet' to the extent that >> > 'our content' is only accessible to us yet somehow we expected to >> > make money from 'outsiders' through 'our Internet'? Maybe we should >> > not use downloaded [even-free] 'foreign' software, 'foreign' >> > computers, 'foreign' concepts, nothing 'foreign' except only localyy >> > made?" That was heavy! >> > >> >>Let me tell you a thing. We >> >> must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of >> Joe >> >> Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have >> attended >> >> in >> >> which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan. >> The >> >> fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan >> should >> >> make Mucheru sell Kenya more. >> > >> > Its what all (or at least the majority of) the people in that room >> > were there *actually doing* Give Mucheru a break. (You stand accused >> > of promoting 'foreign content' by using Google mailing lists;) >> > >> >> If you wanted a subscription website, you >> >> should have started with kenyalaw.org. If you wanted affiliates, >> >> mamamikes.com has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it lots >> of >> >> thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign ones >> >> just >> >> as an after-thought. >> > >> > I wish you had asked ICT Board to make a presentation to the audience >> > to articulate you point? >> > >> >> We want the companies to give the local content much thought and they >> can >> >> only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe that >> >> facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are >> engaging >> >> more in bongo5.com and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They are >> >> actively loading pics and content and these two websites are really >> coming >> >> up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice >> things >> >> from them. We should not glorify anything western. We must start >> >> appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good site, >> >> www.kasarani.com >> > >> > Kasarani is your website, right? The conference was not a sales pitch >> > for *anyone* but a conversation exploring various ways to promote >> > local content. >> > >> >> When I started my start forum and blogging thing, jamiiforums.com, we >> had >> >> lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum >> which >> >> is >> >> being run by my great friend Maxence, was going nowhere because >> Tanzanians >> >> don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't think that >> there >> >> is >> >> any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic. >> > >> > Me, me, me again... Try a bit of our, our, our, country's local content. >> > >> >> There is no forum >> >> in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when issues >> are >> >> being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in >> Swahili. >> >> We >> >> must focus on being local if we want local content. >> > >> > 'Government' is a strange 3-legged animal Executive, Legislature, and >> > Judiciacy. >> > If one makes this animal 'shake like hell,' that person ought to be in >> > very serious trouble... >> > >> >> NMG bought a script from Germans and installed it on their site without >> a >> >> forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV, EasyFm >> >> and >> >> QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox are >> >> plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and articles >> in >> >> entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from magazines >> like >> >> cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word. >> > >> > Why so excessive negative energy? There must be something NMG have done >> > right? >> > >> >> The Tandaa website was .com and not .co.ke. Even if you are not >> hosting >> >> locally, you could still have had a local domain registration. >> > >> > Had you tried http://www.tandaa.co.ke/ before the conference? BTW, I >> > host websites abroad many times and I have no problems with it. It can >> > be a business decision why host locally with painfully expensive ISP? >> > Host 'politically incorrect' website at a pro-conformist provider >> > 'anti-telcos' content with one of them.... etc.. It's a matrix of >> > decision making procees.. >> > >> >> The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7 speakers >> >> speak for 15 minutes each and then the forum audience is given 10 >> minutes >> >> to ask questions and suggestions? >> > >> > The sun waits for no King and time has never been enough. >> > >> >>Do you know that the slides from Capital, >> >> NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco and >> >> others are shown to us almost in every conference we attend. They have >> >> become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and even >> >> slides which you have never seen is from the public. >> > >> > Would you also be suggesting that new school textbooks be published >> every >> > year? >> > >> >>Givingg 15 minutes to >> >> each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the >> audience >> >> asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and shows and >> >> attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might >> embarass >> >> the speakers with questions. >> > >> > You just created conveniently suitable circumstances to arrive at your >> > conclusion? >> > >> >> The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags, was >> ok >> >> but >> >> I think that we can do alot of improvements by having power cable well >> >> spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to >> rely >> >> on >> >> my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down. >> > >> > Would it not have been fair to mention some of those 'ok' facts. Its >> > called "fair commentating" >> > >> >> We also think that we can have an active network and the best place to >> >> start >> >> is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open >> vbulletin >> >> run forum with CMS managed frontpage like www.haitiwebs.com and >> >> www.mustangevolution.com. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont take us >> >> even >> >> a day to have this thing up and running. >> > >> > Dunno.. >> > >> >> Senior members, what do you think? >> > >> > I just have. But allow me to add that *nix users have this thing about >> > multi-thread thought processes which lead me to advice users to format >> > their Windows and install *nix. It makes engagement multi-faceted >> > critique and criticize when necessesary but also appreciate and praise >> > excellent achievement. >> > >> > Tandaa.08 was an excellent event and I wish the ICT board could >> > explain to us who were the brains behind it. They can count on me for >> > their next such conference. >> > >> > Rider: >> > >> > There is a clip one run NTV of an Edloret pharmacist who literary and >> > severally slapped himself on the face upon being visited by Pharmacies >> > and Poisons Board drug inspectors. >> > Let's not always take the shrtest route to slap every great >> > initiative, erroneously. >> > >> > Also we avoid "local content spam", for example, forced mailing lists >> > subscriptions;) >> > >> > G'day, >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > kictanet mailing list >> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> > >> >> > This message was sent to: wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org >> >> > Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >> > >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wainaina%40madeinkenya… >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> Made in Kenya Network >> Apt. B-8, Elite Park >> Ole Odume Road >> P. O. 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Re: [kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis
by Robert Alai 18 Nov '08

18 Nov '08

Wainaina This is the messaage you are talking about. Am sorry I didnt send it to the whole group as I hit reply instead of reply to all That haappens but it was meant for kila mtu Alai On 11/18/08, Robert Alai <alai.robert(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Wainaina > > Know that the fact that you dont agree with someone doesnt mean that you > must raid the media house. > > Thats what you are trying to say here. We are discussing IT matters and > what you bring are your personal problems. > > If you have spammed my address and lists, why make noise? Blacklists them. > I will handle that in another way and know that I am registered in this > forum all through and this forum doesnt belong to Wainaina and the ealier > you realise that the better for you. Lets discuss matters which help this > nation and not go personal because let me assure you that for every on of my > actions before and in th future, I have a perfect answer for them. > > If you have a problem with BidiiAfrika send an email to > bidiiafrika-owner(a)googlegroups.com. > > And again on Media, I like NMG since they have toned rhetoric and very high > voltage news unlike KTN and standard group which still report like Kenya is > going to war. I disagree with them but surely I wont like anybody raiding > them > > Regards > Alai > > On 11/18/08, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> wrote: >> >> This is exactly the feedback I expected. I'm not at all disappointed >> as it has happened before. >> >> KICTANet needs to do something about importing such conduct from other >> lists. >> >> >> Wainaina >> >> >> On 11/18/08, Robert Alai <alai.robert(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a >> > critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers. >> > >> > I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus >> > I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses. >> > >> > Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and >> > "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of >> > subscription by choice rather than forced numbers. >> > >> > I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii >> > africa and other lists. >> > >> > Wainaina. See the reply I gave to Gakuru. Blame your teacher and you >> have no >> > use being in KICTANET if you cant even know how to operate simple email >> > addresses in,lists >> > >> > >> > Alai >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 11/18/08, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a >> >> critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers. >> >> >> >> I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus >> >> I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses. >> >> >> >> Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and >> >> "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of >> >> subscription by choice rather than forced numbers. >> >> >> >> I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii >> >> africa and other lists. >> >> >> >> Wainaina >> >> >> >> >> >> On 11/18/08, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Alai, >> >> > >> >> > I am somewhat now tempted to start a local content blog focusing on >> >> > 'opinion influencers' and opinion shapers themselves - informed by >> the >> >> > fact that, content is king and awaited 'future online content >> warfare' >> >> > arrived a long time ago. >> >> > >> >> > So despite excluding my skunkworks presentation from your firing >> >> > squad, I shall nonetheless shoot back at you;) >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Robert Alai <alai.robert(a)gmail.com >> > >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Mirembe >> >> >> >> >> >> I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference. >> >> >> >> >> >> The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother >> >> >> still >> >> >> sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we >> want >> >> >> local >> >> >> content we must stilldo it with foreigners'. >> >> > >> >> > Paul stated, "Let's realise that Internet is one. How can have 'our >> >> > Internet' so shielded away for 'outsiders Internet' to the extent >> that >> >> > 'our content' is only accessible to us yet somehow we expected to >> >> > make money from 'outsiders' through 'our Internet'? Maybe we should >> >> > not use downloaded [even-free] 'foreign' software, 'foreign' >> >> > computers, 'foreign' concepts, nothing 'foreign' except only localyy >> >> > made?" That was heavy! >> >> > >> >> >>Let me tell you a thing. We >> >> >> must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of >> >> >> Joe >> >> >> Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have >> >> attended >> >> >> in >> >> >> which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan. >> >> >> The >> >> >> fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan >> >> should >> >> >> make Mucheru sell Kenya more. >> >> > >> >> > Its what all (or at least the majority of) the people in that room >> >> > were there *actually doing* Give Mucheru a break. (You stand accused >> >> > of promoting 'foreign content' by using Google mailing lists;) >> >> > >> >> >> If you wanted a subscription website, you >> >> >> should have started with kenyalaw.org. If you wanted affiliates, >> >> >> mamamikes.com has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it >> lots of >> >> >> thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign >> ones >> >> >> just >> >> >> as an after-thought. >> >> > >> >> > I wish you had asked ICT Board to make a presentation to the audience >> >> > to articulate you point? >> >> > >> >> >> We want the companies to give the local content much thought and >> they >> >> can >> >> >> only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe >> that >> >> >> facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are >> >> engaging >> >> >> more in bongo5.com and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They >> are >> >> >> actively loading pics and content and these two websites are really >> >> coming >> >> >> up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice >> >> >> things >> >> >> from them. We should not glorify anything western. We must start >> >> >> appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good site, >> >> >> www.kasarani.com >> >> > >> >> > Kasarani is your website, right? The conference was not a sales pitch >> >> > for *anyone* but a conversation exploring various ways to promote >> >> > local content. >> >> > >> >> >> When I started my start forum and blogging thing, jamiiforums.com, >> we >> >> had >> >> >> lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum >> >> >> which >> >> >> is >> >> >> being run by my great friend Maxence, was going nowhere because >> >> Tanzanians >> >> >> don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't think that >> >> >> there >> >> >> is >> >> >> any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic. >> >> > >> >> > Me, me, me again... Try a bit of our, our, our, country's local >> content. >> >> > >> >> >> There is no forum >> >> >> in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when >> issues >> >> are >> >> >> being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in >> >> >> Swahili. >> >> >> We >> >> >> must focus on being local if we want local content. >> >> > >> >> > 'Government' is a strange 3-legged animal Executive, Legislature, and >> >> > Judiciacy. >> >> > If one makes this animal 'shake like hell,' that person ought to be >> in >> >> > very serious trouble... >> >> > >> >> >> NMG bought a script from Germans and installed it on their site >> without >> >> a >> >> >> forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV, >> EasyFm >> >> >> and >> >> >> QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox >> are >> >> >> plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and >> articles >> >> in >> >> >> entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from magazines >> >> like >> >> >> cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word. >> >> > >> >> > Why so excessive negative energy? There must be something NMG have >> done >> >> > right? >> >> > >> >> >> The Tandaa website was .com and not .co.ke. Even if you are not >> hosting >> >> >> locally, you could still have had a local domain registration. >> >> > >> >> > Had you tried http://www.tandaa.co.ke/ before the conference? BTW, I >> >> > host websites abroad many times and I have no problems with it. It >> can >> >> > be a business decision why host locally with painfully expensive ISP? >> >> > Host 'politically incorrect' website at a pro-conformist provider >> >> > 'anti-telcos' content with one of them.... etc.. It's a matrix of >> >> > decision making procees.. >> >> > >> >> >> The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7 >> speakers >> >> >> speak for 15 minutes each and then the forum audience is given 10 >> >> minutes >> >> >> to ask questions and suggestions? >> >> > >> >> > The sun waits for no King and time has never been enough. >> >> > >> >> >>Do you know that the slides from Capital, >> >> >> NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco >> and >> >> >> others are shown to us almost in every conference we attend. They >> have >> >> >> become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and >> even >> >> >> slides which you have never seen is from the public. >> >> > >> >> > Would you also be suggesting that new school textbooks be published >> >> > every >> >> > year? >> >> > >> >> >>Givingg 15 minutes to >> >> >> each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the >> >> audience >> >> >> asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and shows >> and >> >> >> attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might >> >> embarass >> >> >> the speakers with questions. >> >> > >> >> > You just created conveniently suitable circumstances to arrive at >> your >> >> > conclusion? >> >> > >> >> >> The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags, >> was >> >> >> ok >> >> >> but >> >> >> I think that we can do alot of improvements by having power cable >> well >> >> >> spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to >> >> rely >> >> >> on >> >> >> my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down. >> >> > >> >> > Would it not have been fair to mention some of those 'ok' facts. Its >> >> > called "fair commentating" >> >> > >> >> >> We also think that we can have an active network and the best place >> to >> >> >> start >> >> >> is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open >> >> vbulletin >> >> >> run forum with CMS managed frontpage like www.haitiwebs.com and >> >> >> www.mustangevolution.com. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont take >> us >> >> >> even >> >> >> a day to have this thing up and running. >> >> > >> >> > Dunno.. >> >> > >> >> >> Senior members, what do you think? >> >> > >> >> > I just have. But allow me to add that *nix users have this thing >> about >> >> > multi-thread thought processes which lead me to advice users to >> format >> >> > their Windows and install *nix. It makes engagement multi-faceted >> >> > critique and criticize when necessesary but also appreciate and >> praise >> >> > excellent achievement. >> >> > >> >> > Tandaa.08 was an excellent event and I wish the ICT board could >> >> > explain to us who were the brains behind it. They can count on me for >> >> > their next such conference. >> >> > >> >> > Rider: >> >> > >> >> > There is a clip one run NTV of an Edloret pharmacist who literary and >> >> > severally slapped himself on the face upon being visited by >> Pharmacies >> >> > and Poisons Board drug inspectors. >> >> > Let's not always take the shrtest route to slap every great >> >> > initiative, erroneously. >> >> > >> >> > Also we avoid "local content spam", for example, forced mailing lists >> >> > subscriptions;) >> >> > >> >> > G'day, >> >> > >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > kictanet mailing list >> >> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> > >> >> >> >> > This message was sent to: wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org >> >> >> >> > Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wainaina%40madeinkenya… >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> >> >> Made in Kenya Network >> >> Apt. B-8, Elite Park >> >> Ole Odume Road >> >> P. O. Box 72031 - 00200 >> >> Nairobi. Kenya >> >> Tel: +254-20-3590451 >> >> Cel: +254-722-811171 >> >> Cel: +254-735-370840 >> >> www.madeinkenya.org >> >> >> >> http://www.bungesms.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> kictanet mailing list >> >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> >> >> >> >> This message was sent to: alai.robert(a)gmail.com >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alai.robert%40gmail.com >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- >> >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> Made in Kenya Network >> Apt. B-8, Elite Park >> Ole Odume Road >> P. O. Box 72031 - 00200 >> Nairobi. Kenya >> Tel: +254-20-3590451 >> Cel: +254-722-811171 >> Cel: +254-735-370840 >> www.madeinkenya.org >> >> http://www.bungesms.com >> > >

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Fwd: Tandaa - An Honest Analysis
by aki 18 Nov '08

18 Nov '08

LOL! actually it makes no sense for someone to be discussing anything while holding a "gun under the table". Clearly the markings individuals who unfortunately can only resort to one thing in the end........no more dialogue.

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Re: [kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis
by Wainaina Mungai 18 Nov '08

18 Nov '08

Hi all, The issue building up here is on HOW to generate local content and the ways not to do it. We have seen cases of ''how not to do it'' as per the mailinglists and websites facing complaints from listers here. I believe members can now find way on 'how to' generate and collate local content in solutions such as Ushahidi.com and BungeSMS.com that seek to exploit the pervasive nature of mobile telephony to increase citizen generated content on the web. Google Kenya has done a great job with Google maps that now has easily searchable maps of Nairobi even via mobile devices such as smartphones with GPS feature coupled with data through the GSM networks. A security & privacy question however arises here even as the content question has been addressed. On 11/18/08, Robert Alai <alai.robert(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Wainaina > > Know that the fact that you dont agree with someone doesnt mean that you > must raid the media house. > > Thats what you are trying to say here. We are discussing IT matters and what > you bring are your personal problems. > > If you have spammed my address and lists, why make noise? Blacklists them. I > will handle that in another way and know that I am registered in this forum > all through and this forum doesnt belong to Wainaina and the ealier you > realise that the better for you. Lets discuss matters which help this nation > and not go personal because let me assure you that for every on of my > actions before and in th future, I have a perfect answer for them. > > If you have a problem with BidiiAfrika send an email to > bidiiafrika-owner(a)googlegroups.com. > > And again on Media, I like NMG since they have toned rhetoric and very high > voltage news unlike KTN and standard group which still report like Kenya is > going to war. I disagree with them but surely I wont like anybody raiding > them > > Regards > Alai > > On 11/18/08, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> wrote: >> >> This is exactly the feedback I expected. I'm not at all disappointed >> as it has happened before. >> >> KICTANet needs to do something about importing such conduct from other >> lists. >> >> >> Wainaina >> >> >> On 11/18/08, Robert Alai <alai.robert(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a >> > critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers. >> > >> > I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus >> > I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses. >> > >> > Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and >> > "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of >> > subscription by choice rather than forced numbers. >> > >> > I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii >> > africa and other lists. >> > >> > Wainaina. See the reply I gave to Gakuru. Blame your teacher and you >> > have >> no >> > use being in KICTANET if you cant even know how to operate simple email >> > addresses in,lists >> > >> > >> > Alai >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On 11/18/08, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a >> >> critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers. >> >> >> >> I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus >> >> I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses. >> >> >> >> Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and >> >> "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of >> >> subscription by choice rather than forced numbers. >> >> >> >> I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii >> >> africa and other lists. >> >> >> >> Wainaina >> >> >> >> >> >> On 11/18/08, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Alai, >> >> > >> >> > I am somewhat now tempted to start a local content blog focusing on >> >> > 'opinion influencers' and opinion shapers themselves - informed by >> >> > the >> >> > fact that, content is king and awaited 'future online content >> >> > warfare' >> >> > arrived a long time ago. >> >> > >> >> > So despite excluding my skunkworks presentation from your firing >> >> > squad, I shall nonetheless shoot back at you;) >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Robert Alai <alai.robert(a)gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Mirembe >> >> >> >> >> >> I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference. >> >> >> >> >> >> The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother >> >> >> still >> >> >> sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we >> >> >> want >> >> >> local >> >> >> content we must stilldo it with foreigners'. >> >> > >> >> > Paul stated, "Let's realise that Internet is one. How can have 'our >> >> > Internet' so shielded away for 'outsiders Internet' to the extent >> >> > that >> >> > 'our content' is only accessible to us yet somehow we expected to >> >> > make money from 'outsiders' through 'our Internet'? Maybe we should >> >> > not use downloaded [even-free] 'foreign' software, 'foreign' >> >> > computers, 'foreign' concepts, nothing 'foreign' except only localyy >> >> > made?" That was heavy! >> >> > >> >> >>Let me tell you a thing. We >> >> >> must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of >> >> >> Joe >> >> >> Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have >> >> attended >> >> >> in >> >> >> which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan. >> >> >> The >> >> >> fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan >> >> should >> >> >> make Mucheru sell Kenya more. >> >> > >> >> > Its what all (or at least the majority of) the people in that room >> >> > were there *actually doing* Give Mucheru a break. (You stand accused >> >> > of promoting 'foreign content' by using Google mailing lists;) >> >> > >> >> >> If you wanted a subscription website, you >> >> >> should have started with kenyalaw.org. If you wanted affiliates, >> >> >> mamamikes.com has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it lots >> of >> >> >> thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign >> ones >> >> >> just >> >> >> as an after-thought. >> >> > >> >> > I wish you had asked ICT Board to make a presentation to the audience >> >> > to articulate you point? >> >> > >> >> >> We want the companies to give the local content much thought and >> >> >> they >> >> can >> >> >> only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe >> that >> >> >> facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are >> >> engaging >> >> >> more in bongo5.com and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They >> are >> >> >> actively loading pics and content and these two websites are really >> >> coming >> >> >> up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice >> >> >> things >> >> >> from them. We should not glorify anything western. We must start >> >> >> appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good site, >> >> >> www.kasarani.com >> >> > >> >> > Kasarani is your website, right? The conference was not a sales pitch >> >> > for *anyone* but a conversation exploring various ways to promote >> >> > local content. >> >> > >> >> >> When I started my start forum and blogging thing, jamiiforums.com, >> we >> >> had >> >> >> lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum >> >> >> which >> >> >> is >> >> >> being run by my great friend Maxence, was going nowhere because >> >> Tanzanians >> >> >> don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't think that >> >> >> there >> >> >> is >> >> >> any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic. >> >> > >> >> > Me, me, me again... Try a bit of our, our, our, country's local >> content. >> >> > >> >> >> There is no forum >> >> >> in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when >> issues >> >> are >> >> >> being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in >> >> >> Swahili. >> >> >> We >> >> >> must focus on being local if we want local content. >> >> > >> >> > 'Government' is a strange 3-legged animal Executive, Legislature, and >> >> > Judiciacy. >> >> > If one makes this animal 'shake like hell,' that person ought to be >> >> > in >> >> > very serious trouble... >> >> > >> >> >> NMG bought a script from Germans and installed it on their site >> without >> >> a >> >> >> forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV, >> EasyFm >> >> >> and >> >> >> QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox >> >> >> are >> >> >> plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and >> articles >> >> in >> >> >> entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from magazines >> >> like >> >> >> cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word. >> >> > >> >> > Why so excessive negative energy? There must be something NMG have >> done >> >> > right? >> >> > >> >> >> The Tandaa website was .com and not .co.ke. Even if you are not >> hosting >> >> >> locally, you could still have had a local domain registration. >> >> > >> >> > Had you tried http://www.tandaa.co.ke/ before the conference? BTW, I >> >> > host websites abroad many times and I have no problems with it. It >> >> > can >> >> > be a business decision why host locally with painfully expensive ISP? >> >> > Host 'politically incorrect' website at a pro-conformist provider >> >> > 'anti-telcos' content with one of them.... etc.. It's a matrix of >> >> > decision making procees.. >> >> > >> >> >> The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7 >> speakers >> >> >> speak for 15 minutes each and then the forum audience is given 10 >> >> minutes >> >> >> to ask questions and suggestions? >> >> > >> >> > The sun waits for no King and time has never been enough. >> >> > >> >> >>Do you know that the slides from Capital, >> >> >> NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco >> and >> >> >> others are shown to us almost in every conference we attend. They >> have >> >> >> become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and >> even >> >> >> slides which you have never seen is from the public. >> >> > >> >> > Would you also be suggesting that new school textbooks be published >> >> > every >> >> > year? >> >> > >> >> >>Givingg 15 minutes to >> >> >> each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the >> >> audience >> >> >> asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and shows >> and >> >> >> attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might >> >> embarass >> >> >> the speakers with questions. >> >> > >> >> > You just created conveniently suitable circumstances to arrive at >> >> > your >> >> > conclusion? >> >> > >> >> >> The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags, >> >> >> was >> >> >> ok >> >> >> but >> >> >> I think that we can do alot of improvements by having power cable >> well >> >> >> spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to >> >> rely >> >> >> on >> >> >> my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down. >> >> > >> >> > Would it not have been fair to mention some of those 'ok' facts. Its >> >> > called "fair commentating" >> >> > >> >> >> We also think that we can have an active network and the best place >> to >> >> >> start >> >> >> is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open >> >> vbulletin >> >> >> run forum with CMS managed frontpage like www.haitiwebs.com and >> >> >> www.mustangevolution.com. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont take >> us >> >> >> even >> >> >> a day to have this thing up and running. >> >> > >> >> > Dunno.. >> >> > >> >> >> Senior members, what do you think? >> >> > >> >> > I just have. But allow me to add that *nix users have this thing >> >> > about >> >> > multi-thread thought processes which lead me to advice users to >> >> > format >> >> > their Windows and install *nix. It makes engagement multi-faceted >> >> > critique and criticize when necessesary but also appreciate and >> >> > praise >> >> > excellent achievement. >> >> > >> >> > Tandaa.08 was an excellent event and I wish the ICT board could >> >> > explain to us who were the brains behind it. They can count on me for >> >> > their next such conference. >> >> > >> >> > Rider: >> >> > >> >> > There is a clip one run NTV of an Edloret pharmacist who literary and >> >> > severally slapped himself on the face upon being visited by >> >> > Pharmacies >> >> > and Poisons Board drug inspectors. >> >> > Let's not always take the shrtest route to slap every great >> >> > initiative, erroneously. >> >> > >> >> > Also we avoid "local content spam", for example, forced mailing lists >> >> > subscriptions;) >> >> > >> >> > G'day, >> >> > >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > kictanet mailing list >> >> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> > >> >> >> >> > This message was sent to: wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org >> >> >> >> > Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wainaina%40madeinkenya… >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> >> >> Made in Kenya Network >> >> Apt. B-8, Elite Park >> >> Ole Odume Road >> >> P. O. Box 72031 - 00200 >> >> Nairobi. Kenya >> >> Tel: +254-20-3590451 >> >> Cel: +254-722-811171 >> >> Cel: +254-735-370840 >> >> www.madeinkenya.org >> >> >> >> http://www.bungesms.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> kictanet mailing list >> >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> >> >> >> >> This message was sent to: alai.robert(a)gmail.com >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alai.robert%40gmail.com >> >> >> > >> >> >> -- >> >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> Made in Kenya Network >> Apt. B-8, Elite Park >> Ole Odume Road >> P. O. Box 72031 - 00200 >> Nairobi. Kenya >> Tel: +254-20-3590451 >> Cel: +254-722-811171 >> Cel: +254-735-370840 >> www.madeinkenya.org >> >> http://www.bungesms.com >> > -- Sent from my mobile device Made in Kenya Network Apt. B-8, Elite Park Ole Odume Road P. O. Box 72031 - 00200 Nairobi. Kenya Tel: +254-20-3590451 Cel: +254-722-811171 Cel: +254-735-370840 www.madeinkenya.org http://www.bungesms.com

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Tandaa - An Honest Analysis
by Robert Alai 18 Nov '08

18 Nov '08

Mirembe I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference. The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother still sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we want local content we must stilldo it with foreigners'. Let me tell you a thing. We must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of Joe Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have attended in which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan. The fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan should make Mucheru sell Kenya more. If you wanted a subscription website, you should have started with kenyalaw.org. If you wanted affiliates, mamamikes.com has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it lots of thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign ones just as an after-thought. We want the companies to give the local content much thought and they can only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe that facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are engaging more in bongo5.com and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They are actively loading pics and content and these two websites are really coming up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice things from them. We should not glorify anything western. We must start appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good site, www.kasarani.com When I started my start forum and blogging thing, jamiiforums.com<http://jamboforums.com>, we had lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum which is being run by my great friend Maxence, was going nowhere because Tanzanians don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't think that there is any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic. There is no forum in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when issues are being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in Swahili. We must focus on being local if we want local content. NMG bought a script from Germans and installed it on their site without a forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV, EasyFm and QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox are plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and articles in entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from magazines like cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word. The Tandaa website was .com and not .co.ke. Even if you are not hosting locally, you could still have had a local domain registration. The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7 speakers speak for 15 minutes each and then the forum audience is given 10 minutes to ask questions and suggestions? Do you know that the slides from Capital, NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco and others are shown to us almost in every conference we attend. They have become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and even slides which you have never seen is from the public. Givingg 15 minutes to each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the audience asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and shows and attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might embarass the speakers with questions. The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags, was ok but I think that we can do alot of improvements by having power cable well spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to rely on my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down. We also think that we can have an active network and the best place to start is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open vbulletin run forum with CMS managed frontpage like www.haitiwebs.com and www.mustangevolution.com. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont take us even a day to have this thing up and running. Senior members, what do you think? Alai,

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Re: [kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis
by Wainaina Mungai 18 Nov '08

18 Nov '08

This is exactly the feedback I expected. I'm not at all disappointed as it has happened before. KICTANet needs to do something about importing such conduct from other lists. Wainaina On 11/18/08, Robert Alai <alai.robert(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a > critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers. > > I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus > I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses. > > Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and > "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of > subscription by choice rather than forced numbers. > > I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii > africa and other lists. > > Wainaina. See the reply I gave to Gakuru. Blame your teacher and you have no > use being in KICTANET if you cant even know how to operate simple email > addresses in,lists > > > Alai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/18/08, Wainaina Mungai <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> As indicated by Alex, spam & forced mailinglist subscriptions is a >> critical "local content" issue now that Alai has pointed fingers. >> >> I have been forced onto lists that do not allow for unsubscribing thus >> I have marked Alai's address and his mailinglists as spam addresses. >> >> Robert, please sort that out first so that the "traffic" and >> "subscription" numbers on your lists is a true reflection of >> subscription by choice rather than forced numbers. >> >> I bet someone else has had the same experience with Kazi africa, bidii >> africa and other lists. >> >> Wainaina >> >> >> On 11/18/08, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > Alai, >> > >> > I am somewhat now tempted to start a local content blog focusing on >> > 'opinion influencers' and opinion shapers themselves - informed by the >> > fact that, content is king and awaited 'future online content warfare' >> > arrived a long time ago. >> > >> > So despite excluding my skunkworks presentation from your firing >> > squad, I shall nonetheless shoot back at you;) >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Robert Alai <alai.robert(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Mirembe >> >> >> >> I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference. >> >> >> >> The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother >> >> still >> >> sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we want >> >> local >> >> content we must stilldo it with foreigners'. >> > >> > Paul stated, "Let's realise that Internet is one. How can have 'our >> > Internet' so shielded away for 'outsiders Internet' to the extent that >> > 'our content' is only accessible to us yet somehow we expected to >> > make money from 'outsiders' through 'our Internet'? Maybe we should >> > not use downloaded [even-free] 'foreign' software, 'foreign' >> > computers, 'foreign' concepts, nothing 'foreign' except only localyy >> > made?" That was heavy! >> > >> >>Let me tell you a thing. We >> >> must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of >> >> Joe >> >> Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have >> attended >> >> in >> >> which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan. >> >> The >> >> fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan >> should >> >> make Mucheru sell Kenya more. >> > >> > Its what all (or at least the majority of) the people in that room >> > were there *actually doing* Give Mucheru a break. (You stand accused >> > of promoting 'foreign content' by using Google mailing lists;) >> > >> >> If you wanted a subscription website, you >> >> should have started with kenyalaw.org. If you wanted affiliates, >> >> mamamikes.com has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it lots of >> >> thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign ones >> >> just >> >> as an after-thought. >> > >> > I wish you had asked ICT Board to make a presentation to the audience >> > to articulate you point? >> > >> >> We want the companies to give the local content much thought and they >> can >> >> only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe that >> >> facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are >> engaging >> >> more in bongo5.com and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They are >> >> actively loading pics and content and these two websites are really >> coming >> >> up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice >> >> things >> >> from them. We should not glorify anything western. We must start >> >> appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good site, >> >> www.kasarani.com >> > >> > Kasarani is your website, right? The conference was not a sales pitch >> > for *anyone* but a conversation exploring various ways to promote >> > local content. >> > >> >> When I started my start forum and blogging thing, jamiiforums.com, we >> had >> >> lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum >> >> which >> >> is >> >> being run by my great friend Maxence, was going nowhere because >> Tanzanians >> >> don't speak a lot of English. See the site now. I don't think that >> >> there >> >> is >> >> any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic. >> > >> > Me, me, me again... Try a bit of our, our, our, country's local content. >> > >> >> There is no forum >> >> in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when issues >> are >> >> being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in >> >> Swahili. >> >> We >> >> must focus on being local if we want local content. >> > >> > 'Government' is a strange 3-legged animal Executive, Legislature, and >> > Judiciacy. >> > If one makes this animal 'shake like hell,' that person ought to be in >> > very serious trouble... >> > >> >> NMG bought a script from Germans and installed it on their site without >> a >> >> forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV, EasyFm >> >> and >> >> QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox are >> >> plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and articles >> in >> >> entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from magazines >> like >> >> cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word. >> > >> > Why so excessive negative energy? There must be something NMG have done >> > right? >> > >> >> The Tandaa website was .com and not .co.ke. Even if you are not hosting >> >> locally, you could still have had a local domain registration. >> > >> > Had you tried http://www.tandaa.co.ke/ before the conference? BTW, I >> > host websites abroad many times and I have no problems with it. It can >> > be a business decision why host locally with painfully expensive ISP? >> > Host 'politically incorrect' website at a pro-conformist provider >> > 'anti-telcos' content with one of them.... etc.. It's a matrix of >> > decision making procees.. >> > >> >> The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7 speakers >> >> speak for 15 minutes each and then the forum audience is given 10 >> minutes >> >> to ask questions and suggestions? >> > >> > The sun waits for no King and time has never been enough. >> > >> >>Do you know that the slides from Capital, >> >> NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco and >> >> others are shown to us almost in every conference we attend. They have >> >> become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and even >> >> slides which you have never seen is from the public. >> > >> > Would you also be suggesting that new school textbooks be published >> > every >> > year? >> > >> >>Givingg 15 minutes to >> >> each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the >> audience >> >> asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and shows and >> >> attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might >> embarass >> >> the speakers with questions. >> > >> > You just created conveniently suitable circumstances to arrive at your >> > conclusion? >> > >> >> The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags, was >> >> ok >> >> but >> >> I think that we can do alot of improvements by having power cable well >> >> spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to >> rely >> >> on >> >> my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down. >> > >> > Would it not have been fair to mention some of those 'ok' facts. Its >> > called "fair commentating" >> > >> >> We also think that we can have an active network and the best place to >> >> start >> >> is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open >> vbulletin >> >> run forum with CMS managed frontpage like www.haitiwebs.com and >> >> www.mustangevolution.com. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont take us >> >> even >> >> a day to have this thing up and running. >> > >> > Dunno.. >> > >> >> Senior members, what do you think? >> > >> > I just have. But allow me to add that *nix users have this thing about >> > multi-thread thought processes which lead me to advice users to format >> > their Windows and install *nix. It makes engagement multi-faceted >> > critique and criticize when necessesary but also appreciate and praise >> > excellent achievement. >> > >> > Tandaa.08 was an excellent event and I wish the ICT board could >> > explain to us who were the brains behind it. They can count on me for >> > their next such conference. >> > >> > Rider: >> > >> > There is a clip one run NTV of an Edloret pharmacist who literary and >> > severally slapped himself on the face upon being visited by Pharmacies >> > and Poisons Board drug inspectors. >> > Let's not always take the shrtest route to slap every great >> > initiative, erroneously. >> > >> > Also we avoid "local content spam", for example, forced mailing lists >> > subscriptions;) >> > >> > G'day, >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > kictanet mailing list >> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> > >> >> > This message was sent to: wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org >> >> > Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >> > >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wainaina%40madeinkenya… >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> Made in Kenya Network >> Apt. B-8, Elite Park >> Ole Odume Road >> P. O. 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Lets Discuss Tandaa not Persons
by Robert Alai 18 Nov '08

18 Nov '08

Alex and James Lets discuss tandaa the way we were doing and let me warn anybody trying to fight personal wars in KICTANET that I will answer you. Lets see how we can better Tandaa and the local content Alai

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Re: [kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis
by smwngi＠gmail.com 18 Nov '08

18 Nov '08

Joe, Robert You both have very valid points. However ask youself this. If the confrence was about prompting local content did you get local content? No. Why? Because there is very little to none. ICT board may have looked for local organizations the have web content to showcase their goals and objectives. The objective here is to promote local infromation. You may have seen the presentation before (am not saying I haven't seen them either & wasn't surprised) but there has been very little content added by new players. For the most part I saw sales pitches from the presenters which made it difficult to understand why they were given the slots to begin with. It should have been promoting content. How to gather it, how to present it, how to keep it updated, and quench the thirst for infromation. Having gone through the first round I believe there are lessons learnt and we should voice our opinions so as to improve our processes and deliverables. Cheers Stephen Mwangi -----Original Message----- From: "Joseph Manthi" <jmanthi(a)gmail.com> Subj: Re: [kictanet] Tandaa - An Honest Analysis Date: Tue 18 Nov 2008 12:46 am Size: 5K To: Stephen Mwangi <smwngi(a)gmail.com> cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Robert I did not attend but I know exactly what you are saying. Local is golden, foreign should be forgotten unless we want to remain where we are. Joe On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Robert Alai <alai.robert(a)gmail.com> wrote: Mirembe I have a very open and honest analysis of our Tandaa conference. The facts which we must change is that Paul Kukubo, my big brother still sees it best to defend foreign companies and say that "eve if we want local content we must stilldo it with foreigners. Let me tell you a thing. We must focus on local mpaka it becomes music. When I saw the slides of Joe Mucheru, which apparently I have seen in every conference I have attended in which he is the speaker. The websites listed there, non were Kenyan. The fact that Mucheru works for a Carlifornian company and he is Kenyan should make Mucheru sell Kenya more. If you wanted a subscription website, you should have started with kenyalaw.org. If you wanted affiliates, mamamikes.com has affiliates. Lets focus on local. Lets give it lots of thought. We must give local examples and then mention the foreign ones just as an after-thought. We want the companies to give the local content much thought and they can only do that when they think locally. When you make people believe that facebook is great, we wont head anywhere. See why Tanzanians are engaging more in bongo5.com and jamiiforums than facebook and others. They are actively loading pics and content and these two websites are really coming up well and considreing the age of the websites, we will see nice things from them. We should not glorify anything western. We must start appreciating our own facebook like Ngari has developed a good site, www.kasarani.com When I started my start forum and blogging thing, jamiiforums.com, we had lots of problems. But we also had people telling us that the forum which is being run by my great friend Maxence, was going nowhere because Tanzanians dont speak a lot of English. See the site now. I dont think that there is any forum in this region with that kind of killer traffic. There is no forum in this region which makes the government shakes like hell when issues are being analyzed there. And they are doing it most of the time in Swahili. We must focus on being local if we want local content. NMG bought a script from Germans and installed it on their site without a forum nor blogs for the senior writers. Why? No creativity. NTV, EasyFm and QFM are not online. A very good percentage of articles in Mailbox are plagiarized from blogs and forums without acknowledgement and articles in entertainment and lifestyle mazagines are plagiarized from magazines like cosmopolitan and Elle sometimes word for word. The Tandaa website was .com and not .co.ke. Even if you are not hosting locally, you could still have had a local domain registration. The funniest thing I got from the conference, why would 6 or 7 speakers speak for 15 minutes each and then the forum audience is given 10 minutes to ask questions and suggestions? Do you know that the slides from Capital, NMG, Google, Homeboyz, Kictanet, ICT board, Strathmore, Rich, Cisco and others are shown to us almost in every conference we attend. They have become so predictable that the best place to get more stories and even slides which you have never seen is from the public. Givingg 15 minutes to each speaker which is 105 minutes for the seven speakers then the audience asks and get replies in 10 minutes is really not correct and shows and attitude of escapism where te audience are feared that they might embarass the speakers with questions. The other facts of the conference was ok. The moderator, Al Kags, was ok but I think that we can do alot of improvements by having power cable well spread for bloggers and also the Wi-Fi to be abit superior. I had to rely on my Zain unlimited since the ICT board Wi-fi kept shutting down. We also think that we can have an active network and the best place to start is now here in KICTANET. I see us turning KICTANET into an open vbulletin run forum with CMS managed frontpage like www.haitiwebs.com and www.mustangevolution.com. Vbulletin is so superior and it wont take us even a day to have this thing up and running. Senior members, what do you think? Alai, _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: jmanthi@gmail..com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jmanthi%40gmail.com -- Joseph Manthi CEO MEO Ltd http://www.meoltd.com

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