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Re: [kictanet] Faith in local web hosting
by robert yawe 28 Nov '07

28 Nov '07

End user ---> Telkom ---> ISP ---> KDN --> ISP --> Telkom --> end user Do the math Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya Tel: +254722511225 ----- Original Message ---- From: Kai Wulff <kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke> To: robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 26 November, 2007 1:19:30 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Faith in local web hosting Strange! I thought this is what we do since 4 years! A Rack Space, good enough for TBs of hosted Webspace is USD 250,- per month. The KIXP link is on fiber and international bandwidth can be bought separately! Rgds Kai ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph Mucheru To: kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:29 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Faith in local web hosting Hi Eric and Washington, There is another way to look at this. Why is it cheaper overseas? the obvious answer is that bandwidth there is local. In which case the hosting companies are not charged high fees for bandwidth. The infact primarily pay for peering with other networks. In our case we are yet to give hosting companies access to the IXP. One way to solve this is for ISPs to provide an "unbundled" hosting service; a) Local part $x per MB b) International part $x per MB c) Rack Space $x With such a setup it is much easier for webhosting companies to emerge and be very creative and at the same time compete with international players. This would make the business case better for most hosting business and they would not have to pay the high costs. Right now the high bandwidth cost is still paid for by the consumer since they still have to access the internationally hosted sites via the ISP. Joe Mucheru On Nov 26, 2007 7:48 AM, Eric Osiakwan <eric(a)afrispa.org> wrote: Dear Mr. Washington, You have stated the obvious which is the challenge but let me try to share some light on how to solve the problem. It is really a chicken an egg situation, the localhosting business would develop based on demand but like you said demand is relative to cost. However in the interest of developing our countries and continent if we all commit to having country code top level domain (in this case .ke) and host them locally, the demand would trigger supply. On the other hand if the local entrepreneurs can invest in infrastructure and based on market study provide competitive rates (with the generic TLDs) then again the supply could trigger the demand. Having said that, i have noticed something under the sun, which is that for some reason African just dont like using what other Africans produce so in some ways the former strategy would work better if we deal with the attitudinal change. Eric here On 26 Nov 2007, at 08:35, Odhiambo Washington wrote: On Nov 26, 2007 8:03 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi all, I have raised this issue before when I did a search and found out that the CCK web site was hosted overseas and thus how can we expect them to monitor the service quality levels of the ISP's. On Sunday I visited the Kibaki web site, I experienced unstable audio streaming so I decided to find out where the site was hosted, yes you guest it overseas. The other 2 presidential candidates web sites are no better they are not locally hosted. Is this a reflection of who the targets of this web sites are? The Kibaki site is developed by one 3Mice, if I remember right, which has some association with newly appointed ICT Board Managing Director Kokubo. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya It's not the faith the people have in local hosting, but rather the cost factor. Last time I looked at this web hosting biz, one company was charging KES 1,000+VAT per month, which was what was though to be competitive. Another one entered into the fray with hype about reduced costing charges, but I am not sure how much business they managed to pick. All the same, their charges did not compare with what is charged internationally (I mean in Europe and the US). Websites is not something that has caught up with many Kenyans, otherwise the volumes would help sustain such businesses locally. I believe the lack of volumes is one of the factors that makes entities like 3Mice to host overseas. Top-notch Kenyan techies have been hosting their Blog with blogspot (overseas). Bandwidth costs is another. In Europe and the US, individuals can afford to connect 10MBps in their kitchens while in Kenya, that kind of bandwidth can only be purchased by ISPs. One last question though: Do you know any reliable webhosting company that hosts it's websites locally, and has reliable and efficient access to those websites? If there is one, they are not marketing themselves enough. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: eric(a)afrispa.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eric%40afrispa.org Eric M.K Osiakwan Executive Secretary AfrISPA ( www.afrispa.org) Tel: + 233.21.258800 ext 2031 Fax: + 233.21.258811 Cell: + 233.244.386792 Handle: eosiakwan Snail Mail: Pmb 208, Accra-North Office: BusyInternet - 42 Ring Road Central, Accra-North Blog: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/eric/ Slang: "Tomorrow Now" _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: mucheru(a)google.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mucheru%40google.com -- Joe Mucheru Office Lead, East Africa Google Kenya 7th Floor, Purshottam Place Westlands Road P O Box 66217 - 00800 Westlands Nairobi, KENYA +254 20 360 1701 Office +254 20 360 1100 Fax +254 20 360 1000 Switch Board (Regus) +254 722522135 Mobile http://www.google.com This email may be confidential or privileged. 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Re: [kictanet] Faith in local web hosting
by robert yawe 28 Nov '07

28 Nov '07

It is interesting how we tend to have such short memories, the IXP issue should have been resolved 4 years ago when the ISPs where instead busy fighting Telkom, of which if my memory serves me right you were right in the middle of your response thus does not resonate genuineness. The exchange point needs to seat at the most central location and since 90% of the links used to access the various hosting locations pass through Telkom that becomes the most cost effective and LOGICAL location. Alternatively host is at CCK and provide all hosting companies with free high speed links. We unfortunately as Kenyans have not overcome the blame game approach to forgetting an issue, the ISPs and CCK are wholly and individually responsible for this country not moving forward technologically. The ministry is equally to blame for not playing its part. The answers from the parties concerned on the issue of local content and hosting is beginning to sound like a broken CD. Please lets move the exchange point, make is available to all and stop this private club mentality give genuinely and you shall prosper. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya Tel: +254722511225 ----- Original Message ---- From: Joseph Mucheru <mucheru(a)google.com> To: robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 26 November, 2007 12:29:43 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Faith in local web hosting Hi Eric and Washington, There is another way to look at this. Why is it cheaper overseas? the obvious answer is that bandwidth there is local. In which case the hosting companies are not charged high fees for bandwidth. The infact primarily pay for peering with other networks. In our case we are yet to give hosting companies access to the IXP. One way to solve this is for ISPs to provide an "unbundled" hosting service; a) Local part $x per MB b) International part $x per MB c) Rack Space $x With such a setup it is much easier for webhosting companies to emerge and be very creative and at the same time compete with international players. This would make the business case better for most hosting business and they would not have to pay the high costs. Right now the high bandwidth cost is still paid for by the consumer since they still have to access the internationally hosted sites via the ISP. Joe Mucheru On Nov 26, 2007 7:48 AM, Eric Osiakwan <eric(a)afrispa.org> wrote: Dear Mr. Washington, You have stated the obvious which is the challenge but let me try to share some light on how to solve the problem. It is really a chicken an egg situation, the localhosting business would develop based on demand but like you said demand is relative to cost. However in the interest of developing our countries and continent if we all commit to having country code top level domain (in this case .ke) and host them locally, the demand would trigger supply. On the other hand if the local entrepreneurs can invest in infrastructure and based on market study provide competitive rates (with the generic TLDs) then again the supply could trigger the demand. Having said that, i have noticed something under the sun, which is that for some reason African just dont like using what other Africans produce so in some ways the former strategy would work better if we deal with the attitudinal change. Eric here On 26 Nov 2007, at 08:35, Odhiambo Washington wrote: On Nov 26, 2007 8:03 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi all, I have raised this issue before when I did a search and found out that the CCK web site was hosted overseas and thus how can we expect them to monitor the service quality levels of the ISP's. On Sunday I visited the Kibaki web site, I experienced unstable audio streaming so I decided to find out where the site was hosted, yes you guest it overseas. The other 2 presidential candidates web sites are no better they are not locally hosted. Is this a reflection of who the targets of this web sites are? The Kibaki site is developed by one 3Mice, if I remember right, which has some association with newly appointed ICT Board Managing Director Kokubo. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya It's not the faith the people have in local hosting, but rather the cost factor. Last time I looked at this web hosting biz, one company was charging KES 1,000+VAT per month, which was what was though to be competitive. Another one entered into the fray with hype about reduced costing charges, but I am not sure how much business they managed to pick. All the same, their charges did not compare with what is charged internationally (I mean in Europe and the US). Websites is not something that has caught up with many Kenyans, otherwise the volumes would help sustain such businesses locally. I believe the lack of volumes is one of the factors that makes entities like 3Mice to host overseas. Top-notch Kenyan techies have been hosting their Blog with blogspot (overseas). Bandwidth costs is another. In Europe and the US, individuals can afford to connect 10MBps in their kitchens while in Kenya, that kind of bandwidth can only be purchased by ISPs. One last question though: Do you know any reliable webhosting company that hosts it's websites locally, and has reliable and efficient access to those websites? If there is one, they are not marketing themselves enough. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards!" --from a /. post _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: eric(a)afrispa.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eric%40afrispa.org Eric M.K Osiakwan Executive Secretary AfrISPA ( www.afrispa.org) Tel: + 233.21.258800 ext 2031 Fax: + 233.21.258811 Cell: + 233.244.386792 Handle: eosiakwan Snail Mail: Pmb 208, Accra-North Office: BusyInternet - 42 Ring Road Central, Accra-North Blog: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/eric/ Slang: "Tomorrow Now" _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: mucheru(a)google.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/mucheru%40google.com -- Joe Mucheru Office Lead, East Africa Google Kenya 7th Floor, Purshottam Place Westlands Road P O Box 66217 - 00800 Westlands Nairobi, KENYA +254 20 360 1701 Office +254 20 360 1100 Fax +254 20 360 1000 Switch Board (Regus) +254 722522135 Mobile http://www.google.com This email may be confidential or privileged. If you received this communication by mistake, please don't forward it to anyone else, please erase all copies and attachments, and please let me know that it went to the wrong person. Thanks. -- Joe Mucheru Office Lead, East Africa Google Kenya 7th Floor, Purshottam Place Westlands Road P O Box 66217 - 00800 Westlands Nairobi, KENYA +254 20 360 1701 Office +254 20 360 1100 Fax +254 20 360 1000 Switch Board (Regus) +254 722522135 Mobile http://www.google.com This email may be confidential or privileged. If you received this communication by mistake, please don't forward it to anyone else, please erase all copies and attachments, and please let me know that it went to the wrong person. 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Re: [kictanet] Mobile Government: The NewFrontierinTransformingPublic Services - 29th November 2007
by robert yawe 28 Nov '07

28 Nov '07

Dear Mr. Joseph, At the rate this agreement is going you will have disenfranchised enough Kenyan's then what will it be worth. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya Tel: +254722511225 ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Joseph <MJoseph(a)Safaricom.co.ke> To: robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 26 November, 2007 12:22:51 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mobile Government: The NewFrontierinTransformingPublic Services - 29th November 2007 Actually the agreement has been reached by both parties. We are just waiting for some outstanding items to be concluded. Michael CEO Safaricom Limited -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Walubengo Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:14 PM To: Michael Joseph Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mobile Government: The NewFrontierinTransformingPublic Services - 29th November 2007 my quick two cents. 1. On high-costs: 'High-cost' is actually NOT relative- having been defined by UN/ITU as the cost of service as a % of the Gross National Income per Capita. (ITU Digital Access Indices ( ITU News, 2003). In simpler times, are the citizens continuously faced with the 'difficult' choice between communicating and buying their next meal? i.e if the cost of communication results in their missing their next meal then the service is quite expensive. 2. On Commercial Agreements between Operators: I believe the operators have the 1st privilege to reach an agreement. However, the Regulator reserves the right to interven in the event that the agreement is not being reached soon enought. walu. --- Alex Gakuru <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> wrote: > all networks interconnection are subject to CCK thus it > has everything > to do with them in fulfilling their legal mandate to > protect consumers > especially where outcry are so loud it break many high > glass offices > blocks. Further, TKL has been on the press stating > otherwise. "In its > letter to Mr John Waweru, the Communications Commission > of Kenya > director general, Telkom Kenya is accusing Safaricom of > practising > anti-competitive behaviour in the market -especially in > the Short > Messages Services (SMS) segment of the business." > http://www.bdafrica.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3703&I temid=5810 > > High costs are relative so allow me to pass that > questions > > > On Nov 26, 2007 8:23 AM, Michael Joseph > <MJoseph(a)safaricom.co.ke> wrote: > > It has got nothing to do with the CCK but is a > commercial issue with TKL Kenya. Both parties are well > aware of what has to be done and it is a matter of > getting this concluded. Both mobile operators have the > same issue. > > > > I do not know what high costs you are referring to. > > > > Michael > > > > CEO > > Safaricom Limited > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru > > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:16 AM > > To: Michael Joseph > > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mobile Government: The New > FrontierinTransformingPublic Services - 29th November > 2007 > > > > Hope is not a bad thing to have but just its just a > wish. Until you > > finally "finalise" the agreement completely then let > high costs bite > > deeper and deeper into our pockets. > > > > If we had a CCK that protected consumers this would > have happened 2 months ago. > > > > Alex > > > > On Nov 26, 2007 8:06 AM, Michael Joseph > <MJoseph(a)safaricom.co.ke> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no blocking as such. Simply stated the > agreements to open up the > > > SMS interconnectivity have not been completed. We > hope that this will be > > > done soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > CEO > > > > > > Safaricom Limited > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > From: > kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > > [mailto:[email protected]] > On > > > Behalf Of robert yawe > > > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:50 AM > > > To: Michael Joseph > > > > > > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mobile Government: The New > Frontier > > > inTransformingPublic Services - 29th November 2007 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am unable to send an SMS from my safaricom line to > CDMA numbers. Who is > > > responsible for making sure that we are not blocked > from sending messages > > > across networks. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert Yawe > > > KAY System Technologies Ltd > > > Phoenix House, 6th Floor > > > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 > > > KEnya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tel: +254722511225 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: "bitange(a)jambo.co.ke" <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> > > > To: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> > > > Cc: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy > Discussions > > > <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > > Sent: Friday, 23 November, 2007 11:20:03 PM > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mobile Government: The New > Frontier in > > > TransformingPublic Services - 29th November 2007 > > > > > > Dear Yawe, > > > Welcome to KICTAnet. Just wanted to know how you > got to know that > > > Ministry of Information, CCK and ICT Board did not > act on the > > > Safaricom/TKL sms issue? Do you know the mandate of > these "bodies"? My > > > friend, in the past one year did you not come across > the mention of the > > > ICT Bill? I really want to be of help to you but > first I want to > > > understand where you are coming from. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Bitange Ndemo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > I am new to this mailing list and would like to > start by saying > > > something > > > > about myself. > > > > > > > > I am an Information Technology specialist with > over 15 years experience > > > > which means I know how to use DOS, UNIX and other > OS's that exist only on > > > > 5.25" floppy disks. My area of specialisation is > in design & > > > > implementation of local and wide area networks. > > > > > > > > On the issue of mGovernment I do agree that this > is the next frontier but > > > > it is shocking, as usual, that we are not > embracing the technology or > > > even > > > > working to develop the necessary legislation to > make it flourish. AS > > > many > > > > web site designers about WAP and they are lost, we > are designing heavy > > > > sites that have no intelligence to identify the > type of device accessing > === message truncated === ________________________________________________________________________ ____________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. 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Re: [kictanet] Mobile Government: The New FrontierinTransformingPublic Services - 29th November 2007
by robert yawe 28 Nov '07

28 Nov '07

Thanks for the legal angle, and it was actually 2 shillings worth as you might have notice the Kenya Shilling is getting stronger. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya Tel: +254722511225 ----- Original Message ---- From: John Walubengo <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> To: robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 26 November, 2007 12:14:11 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mobile Government: The New FrontierinTransformingPublic Services - 29th November 2007 my quick two cents. 1. On high-costs: 'High-cost' is actually NOT relative- having been defined by UN/ITU as the cost of service as a % of the Gross National Income per Capita. (ITU Digital Access Indices ( ITU News, 2003). In simpler times, are the citizens continuously faced with the 'difficult' choice between communicating and buying their next meal? i.e if the cost of communication results in their missing their next meal then the service is quite expensive. 2. On Commercial Agreements between Operators: I believe the operators have the 1st privilege to reach an agreement. However, the Regulator reserves the right to interven in the event that the agreement is not being reached soon enought. walu. --- Alex Gakuru <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> wrote: > all networks interconnection are subject to CCK thus it > has everything > to do with them in fulfilling their legal mandate to > protect consumers > especially where outcry are so loud it break many high > glass offices > blocks. Further, TKL has been on the press stating > otherwise. "In its > letter to Mr John Waweru, the Communications Commission > of Kenya > director general, Telkom Kenya is accusing Safaricom of > practising > anti-competitive behaviour in the market —especially in > the Short > Messages Services (SMS) segment of the business." > http://www.bdafrica.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3703&Item… > > High costs are relative so allow me to pass that > questions > > > On Nov 26, 2007 8:23 AM, Michael Joseph > <MJoseph(a)safaricom.co.ke> wrote: > > It has got nothing to do with the CCK but is a > commercial issue with TKL Kenya. Both parties are well > aware of what has to be done and it is a matter of > getting this concluded. Both mobile operators have the > same issue. > > > > I do not know what high costs you are referring to. > > > > Michael > > > > CEO > > Safaricom Limited > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Alex Gakuru > > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:16 AM > > To: Michael Joseph > > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mobile Government: The New > FrontierinTransformingPublic Services - 29th November > 2007 > > > > Hope is not a bad thing to have but just its just a > wish. Until you > > finally "finalise" the agreement completely then let > high costs bite > > deeper and deeper into our pockets. > > > > If we had a CCK that protected consumers this would > have happened 2 months ago. > > > > Alex > > > > On Nov 26, 2007 8:06 AM, Michael Joseph > <MJoseph(a)safaricom.co.ke> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no blocking as such. Simply stated the > agreements to open up the > > > SMS interconnectivity have not been completed. We > hope that this will be > > > done soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > > > CEO > > > > > > Safaricom Limited > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > From: > kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > > [mailto:[email protected]] > On > > > Behalf Of robert yawe > > > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:50 AM > > > To: Michael Joseph > > > > > > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mobile Government: The New > Frontier > > > inTransformingPublic Services - 29th November 2007 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I am unable to send an SMS from my safaricom line to > CDMA numbers. Who is > > > responsible for making sure that we are not blocked > from sending messages > > > across networks. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robert Yawe > > > KAY System Technologies Ltd > > > Phoenix House, 6th Floor > > > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 > > > KEnya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tel: +254722511225 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > From: "bitange(a)jambo.co.ke" <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> > > > To: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> > > > Cc: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy > Discussions > > > <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > > Sent: Friday, 23 November, 2007 11:20:03 PM > > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mobile Government: The New > Frontier in > > > TransformingPublic Services - 29th November 2007 > > > > > > Dear Yawe, > > > Welcome to KICTAnet. Just wanted to know how you > got to know that > > > Ministry of Information, CCK and ICT Board did not > act on the > > > Safaricom/TKL sms issue? Do you know the mandate of > these "bodies"? My > > > friend, in the past one year did you not come across > the mention of the > > > ICT Bill? I really want to be of help to you but > first I want to > > > understand where you are coming from. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Bitange Ndemo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > I am new to this mailing list and would like to > start by saying > > > something > > > > about myself. > > > > > > > > I am an Information Technology specialist with > over 15 years experience > > > > which means I know how to use DOS, UNIX and other > OS's that exist only on > > > > 5.25" floppy disks. My area of specialisation is > in design & > > > > implementation of local and wide area networks. > > > > > > > > On the issue of mGovernment I do agree that this > is the next frontier but > > > > it is shocking, as usual, that we are not > embracing the technology or > > > even > > > > working to develop the necessary legislation to > make it flourish. AS > > > many > > > > web site designers about WAP and they are lost, we > are designing heavy > > > > sites that have no intelligence to identify the > type of device accessing > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. 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Re: [kictanet] Mobile Government: The New Frontier inTransformingPublic Services - 29th November 2007
by robert yawe 28 Nov '07

28 Nov '07

Hi As a sign of good will and intention Mr. Joseph should open up the connection, and if this will result in an illegality have it be provided by a 3rd party temporarily until the legal hurdle is resolved. When you make someone from Mandara have to travel from Mandera to Nairobi just to confirm their electoral details is inhuman and negates your so called SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY programs. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya Tel: +254722511225 ----- Original Message ---- From: Alex Gakuru <alexgakuru.lists(a)gmail.com> To: robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 26 November, 2007 8:15:41 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mobile Government: The New Frontier inTransformingPublic Services - 29th November 2007 Hope is not a bad thing to have but just its just a wish. Until you finally "finalise" the agreement completely then let high costs bite deeper and deeper into our pockets. If we had a CCK that protected consumers this would have happened 2 months ago. Alex On Nov 26, 2007 8:06 AM, Michael Joseph <MJoseph(a)safaricom.co.ke> wrote: > > > > > There is no blocking as such. Simply stated the agreements to open up the > SMS interconnectivity have not been completed. We hope that this will be > done soon. > > > > Regards, > > > > > Michael > > > > CEO > > Safaricom Limited > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: kictanet-bounces+mjoseph=safaricom.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of robert yawe > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 7:50 AM > To: Michael Joseph > > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mobile Government: The New Frontier > inTransformingPublic Services - 29th November 2007 > > > > > > Hi, > > I am unable to send an SMS from my safaricom line to CDMA numbers. Who is > responsible for making sure that we are not blocked from sending messages > across networks. > > Regards > > > > > Robert Yawe > KAY System Technologies Ltd > Phoenix House, 6th Floor > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 > KEnya > > > > > > Tel: +254722511225 > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "bitange(a)jambo.co.ke" <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> > To: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Cc: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke; KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Sent: Friday, 23 November, 2007 11:20:03 PM > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mobile Government: The New Frontier in > TransformingPublic Services - 29th November 2007 > > Dear Yawe, > Welcome to KICTAnet. Just wanted to know how you got to know that > Ministry of Information, CCK and ICT Board did not act on the > Safaricom/TKL sms issue? Do you know the mandate of these "bodies"? My > friend, in the past one year did you not come across the mention of the > ICT Bill? I really want to be of help to you but first I want to > understand where you are coming from. > > > > Regards > > Bitange Ndemo. > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > I am new to this mailing list and would like to start by saying > something > > about myself. > > > > I am an Information Technology specialist with over 15 years experience > > which means I know how to use DOS, UNIX and other OS's that exist only on > > 5.25" floppy disks. My area of specialisation is in design & > > implementation of local and wide area networks. > > > > On the issue of mGovernment I do agree that this is the next frontier but > > it is shocking, as usual, that we are not embracing the technology or > even > > working to develop the necessary legislation to make it flourish. AS > many > > web site designers about WAP and they are lost, we are designing heavy > > sites that have no intelligence to identify the type of device accessing > > the site and thus adjust the page to display better on the particular > > device. > > > > It is interesting that CCK and the Ministry of Information plus the ICT > > Board can sit back when the fight between Telkom and Safaricom on the > > delivery of SMS messages across the network continues to deny the tax > > payer (excise duty on airtime). Or the fact that none of the mentioned > > felt it necessary to educate Mr. Kivuitu on the need to make live > > electoral database available over SMS. > > > > Now if we cannot take advantage of this opportunity to create local > > content and utilise mGovernment how can we entrust this "bodies" (which > > interestingly refers to expired humans) with making the marine cable a > > viable project. Maybe we should cancel the project and use the money to > > put up a technology park in Mandera and Garsen. > > > > We do not need to recreate the wheel, just visit yahoomobile, > > googleearthmobile, or if you have a GPRS enabled phone try > > wap.mystocks.co.ke. Or next time you are going up towards NIC on Bunyala > > Road look at the Nokia advert. > > > > The mobile phone is the future let embrace it or perish. > > > > Robert Yawe > > KAY System Technologies Ltd > > Phoenix House, 6th Floor > > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 > > KEnya > > Tel: +254722511225 > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Harry Hare <harry(a)africanedevelopment.org> > > To: robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk > > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > Sent: Monday, 19 November, 2007 6:16:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Mobile Government: The New Frontier in > > TransformingPublic Services - 29th November 2007 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kwach, > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you and it is equally > > interesting to note that some mobile applications are already being > > implementedÃ¢â‚¬Â¦I > > > > dare say that this part of the world will see more mGovernment in the G2C > > (Government > > to Citizens) arena than the traditional eGovernment where the PC is the > > main service > > delivery channel. Most welcome to attend the session. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindest regards > > > > > > Harry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Kwach > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 > > 5:51 PM > > > > To: 'Harry Hare' > > > > Cc: 'KICTAnet ICT Policy > > Discussions' > > > > Subject: RE: [kictanet] Mobile > > Government: The New Frontier in TransformingPublic Services - 29th > > November > > 2007 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Harry, > > > > > > > > > > > > These are interesting statistics and > > scenario. For developing countries, there is urgent need to move from > > quantity > > to quality. In my view, content is the quality because more 65% of > mobiles > > are > > only meeting social needs and costs involved have got no direct linkage > to > > revenue for the owners, which should be a great concern. > > > > > > > > > > > > With Mobile Government, time and resources > > used in the rural to the say Government offices miles away would be > > deployed in > > other economic activities. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am keen to attend. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kwach Akich > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: kictanet-bounces+kwach=archway-productions.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+kwach=archway-productions.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] > > On Behalf Of Harry Hare > > > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 > > 8:49 AM > > > > To: kwach(a)archway-productions.com > > > > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy > > Discussions > > > > Subject: [kictanet] Mobile > > Government: The New Frontier in TransformingPublic Services - 29th > > November > > 2007 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Colleagues, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mobile services are > > quickly emerging as the new frontier in transforming government and > making > > it > > even more accessible and citizen-centric by extending the benefits of > > remote > > delivery of government services and information to those who are unable > or > > unwilling to access public services through the Internet or simply prefer > > to > > use mobile devices. In theory, many government services can be now made > > available on a 24x7x365 basis at any place in the country covered by > > mobile > > networks, which today means almost everywhere! Michael, correct me if Im > > wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is from this > > background that the World Bank in partnership with eGovWorld 2007 > > (www.egovworld.com) and African > > eDevelopment Resource Centre presents a dialogue on Mobile Government > > (mGovernment) on 29th November 2007, 4.30pm -7.00pm at the World > > Bank offices, Nairobi. The dialogue is live Video Conference and an > > integral > > part of the eGovWorld 2007 conference taking place in > > India 29-30 November 2007. > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the ITU, > > the total number of mobile users worldwide as of late 2006 was about 2.7 > > billion and the number of internet users was just above 1.1 billion. This > > means > > that there is 33.6% of world population (and 22.2% of developing > > countries population) who already have mobile phones but are not yet > using > > the > > Internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does > > this provide a strong case for leveraging the mobile channel to > > dramatically improve access to public services, including electronic > > government services to those who can afford to use a personal or > > shared > > mobile phone? > > Does > > this create an opportunity to connect in the near future the next > two > > billion people to some of the benefits of e-government, e-health, > > e-education, e-banking and e-commerce? > > How > > exactly can Mobile Government change the lives of common people in > > developing countries? What are best examples of such impact? > > What > > are the key constraints to making this vision a reality? > > How > > should governments change the way they do business to take advantage > > of > > mobile technologies? > > What > > is the role of the private sector? Are there successful business > > models > > (e.g. PPP) for private sector companies to deliver value-added > > m-government services? > > > > > > > > > > > > These are some of the > > questions that will be addressed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Participation to the > > event is free; however, one needs to register to get access to the venue. > > If > > you are interested in participating send an email directly to > > susan(a)africanedevelopment.org > > for a registration form. Space is limited at the venue, only 20 places > are > > available and will be given out on a first-come-first-served basis. > > Deadline > > for registration is Wednesday 22nd November. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Program: > > > > > > +++++ > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome > > & Introduction > > > > > > > > > > > > Samia > > Melhem, Senior Operations Officer, Global ICT, World Bank; and > > Chair, e-Development Thematic Group > > > > > > Vikas > > Kanungo, Chairman, The Society for Promotion of > > e-Governance, India & Convener, eGovWorld 2007 > > > > > > > > > > > > Opening > > Remarks/Keynote address > > > > > > > > > > > > R. > > Chandrashekhar, Additional Secretary (e-Governance), > > DIT, Government of India > > > > > > > > > > > > Speakers > > > > > > > > > > > > Ibrahim > > Kushchu, Associate Professor and Director, > > Mobile Government Consortium International & Author, "m-Government: An > > Emerging Direction in e-Government", > > UK > > > > > > Hannes > > Astok, Member of Parliament & former Deputy Mayor, > > City of Tartu , > > Estonia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindest Regards > > > > > > Harry Hare > > > > > > Executive Director > > > > > > African eDevelopment > > Resource Centre > > > > > > 3rd Floor, > > Nelleon Place , > > Raphta Road , > > Westlands > > > > > > PO Box 49475 > > 00100, Nairobi > > > > > > Tel +254 20 4453445 > > > > > > Cel +254 725 650044 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > This message was sent to: robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! 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Re: [kictanet] Faith in local web hosting
by robert yawe 28 Nov '07

28 Nov '07

Hi all, As is normally said by the lake shore "a fish goes bad from the head down", when the authority responsible for encouraging and developing local capacity blatantly shows a preference for external hosting how do we expect the common "mwanainchi" to have faith in local capacity. I also had an interesting experience with Telkom when I tried to have them host a .com, they invoiced me Ksh. 22,000/- where as they register and host .ke at 5,000/-. This was not a new registration, this is a domain that was registered over 5 years ago when Telkom had no idea about domain hosting. So O wonder why they feel it necessary to punish those who are front runners. What I am saying is if those we entrust with the responsibility and authority to carry out a task fail all of us suffer and they should have the courage to reform or resign. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya Tel: +254722511225 ----- Original Message ---- From: Eric Osiakwan <eric(a)afrispa.org> To: robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Monday, 26 November, 2007 7:48:15 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Faith in local web hosting Dear Mr. Washington, You have stated the obvious which is the challenge but let me try to share some light on how to solve the problem. It is really a chicken an egg situation, the localhosting business would develop based on demand but like you said demand is relative to cost. However in the interest of developing our countries and continent if we all commit to having country code top level domain (in this case .ke) and host them locally, the demand would trigger supply. On the other hand if the local entrepreneurs can invest in infrastructure and based on market study provide competitive rates (with the generic TLDs) then again the supply could trigger the demand. Having said that, i have noticed something under the sun, which is that for some reason African just dont like using what other Africans produce so in some ways the former strategy would work better if we deal with the attitudinal change. Eric here On 26 Nov 2007, at 08:35, Odhiambo Washington wrote: On Nov 26, 2007 8:03 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi all, I have raised this issue before when I did a search and found out that the CCK web site was hosted overseas and thus how can we expect them to monitor the service quality levels of the ISP's. On Sunday I visited the Kibaki web site, I experienced unstable audio streaming so I decided to find out where the site was hosted, yes you guest it overseas. The other 2 presidential candidates web sites are no better they are not locally hosted. Is this a reflection of who the targets of this web sites are? The Kibaki site is developed by one 3Mice, if I remember right, which has some association with newly appointed ICT Board Managing Director Kokubo. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya It's not the faith the people have in local hosting, but rather the cost factor. Last time I looked at this web hosting biz, one company was charging KES 1,000+VAT per month, which was what was though to be competitive. Another one entered into the fray with hype about reduced costing charges, but I am not sure how much business they managed to pick. All the same, their charges did not compare with what is charged internationally (I mean in Europe and the US). Websites is not something that has caught up with many Kenyans, otherwise the volumes would help sustain such businesses locally. I believe the lack of volumes is one of the factors that makes entities like 3Mice to host overseas. Top-notch Kenyan techies have been hosting their Blog with blogspot (overseas). Bandwidth costs is another. In Europe and the US, individuals can afford to connect 10MBps in their kitchens while in Kenya, that kind of bandwidth can only be purchased by ISPs. One last question though: Do you know any reliable webhosting company that hosts it's websites locally, and has reliable and efficient access to those websites? If there is one, they are not marketing themselves enough. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Oh My God! They killed init! 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MJ for President
by Alex Gakuru 28 Nov '07

28 Nov '07

wow! has anyone seen today's Editorial cartoon on the Daily Nation? Alas! When did ECK receive his nomination papers? eeehhh! Walu, how did we miss the occasion:) How it would complete the illustration if MJ reacted! All for a laugh. Have a laughly day! Alex ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/

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[BusinessWeek] Would a Gold Standard Save the Dollar?
by Alex Gakuru 28 Nov '07

28 Nov '07

Would a Gold Standard Save the Dollar? With the greenback hitting 40-year lows, some argue for a return to a system where the U.S. dollar is linked to the yellow metal. November 21, 2007 David Bogoslaw These are uncertain times for the U.S. dollar as every day seems to bring fresh all-time lows for the buck against other major currencies. And an uncertain present tends to make people pine for a rose-colored past. The most extreme expression of this longing is the call by some for a return to the gold standard. The longing for the stable currency values seen under the fixed exchange rate system of earlier years is understandable as people fret over the effects of the greenback's fall: everything from a loss of purchasing power at home to higher prices for goods and services on overseas trips. The value of the dollar has been declining since 2002. The U.S. dollar index, a futures contract offered by the New York Board of Trade, which reflects the dollar's standing vs. other major currencies, has been hovering at 40-year lows since the subprime-fueled liquidity crisis this past summer. On Nov. 20, the euro climbed to a new all-time record high of $1.4815, partly in response to the Federal Reserve's more dire forecast for U.S. economic growth. Trade Partners Diversify Currencies Lately, there have been plenty of headlines about the loss of confidence in the dollar by key U.S. trade partners, which could accelerate the dollar's devaluation if any of them decide it's time for a policy change. Take some of the leading oil-producing countries in the Middle East. With the price of oil poised to break through the $100-per-barrel threshold, countries such as the United Arab Emirates and Qatar are said to be considering moving away from pricing crude in terms of dollars in favor of a basket of currencies. Kuwait exchanged its strict dollar peg for a currency basket earlier this year and there's concern that if other countries follow suit, it could reduce demand for the buck and spur other central banks to diversify their holdings, The Wall Street Journal reported on Nov. 20. The buck's weakness makes this a perfect time for a return to the gold standard, according to Nathan Lewis, author of Gold: The Once and Future Money. Lewis is advising the UAE to consider adopting a gold peg instead of a basket of currencies if it moves away from a dollar peg for its oil. <http://www.businessweek.com/investor/content/nov2007/pi20071121_848642.htm> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: [kictanet] BarCamp 2.0 - Conversations
by robert yawe 27 Nov '07

27 Nov '07

Hi, Watch this web site www.tradezone.co.ke for the future in online payment and e-commerce. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya Tel: +254722511225 ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Kagai <mediacorp.research(a)mediacorp.co.ke> To: robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Thursday, 22 November, 2007 8:51:52 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] BarCamp 2.0 - Conversations On Nov 22, 2007 5:43 PM, Riyaz Bachani <riyaz(a)wananchi.com> wrote: > Some of the questions we have been asking ourselves: > - why are we lagging behind in e-commerce ... why don't we have a > payment gateway yet MPESA. Watch this magic wand...u will soon be paying your bills in the pub with your fone...and we are not far off...see Japan one year ago... http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=147548 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.… ___________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html

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Fwd: Re: Food prints around the world
by Leonard Mware 27 Nov '07

27 Nov '07

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