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FOI--- how good is it??
by Rebecca Wanjiku 15 Feb '07

15 Feb '07

Kihanya, thanks for the background, some thoughts on some of the questions raised, Right to verses freedom I think it should be freedom of information because in legal terms, the two terms are different. Though am not a lawyer, I read about the positive rights (right to) and the negative rights (freedoms) Now, governments are quick to obey the negative rights as opposed to positive rights. For instance, we can all go and demonstrate about our freedom from torture or detention without trial and the government will easily heed to our demands, (I guess so) But what about other recognized rights like the right to water? Can the government be compelled to honour our right to water, i think the main objective of the FOI should be to protect e-government and accountability but the bill talks about charging a minimal fee to those accessing information, what will happen to those people out of town, it talks about photocopying and perusal charges, but what about provision of such information in electronic format, do we still pay?? and will it serve the overall objective?? Thats my take on it Rebecca Wanjiku, journalist, p.o box 33515, Nairobi.00600 Kenya. Tel. 254 720 318 925 blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097

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Day 3: What Policies should inform the FOI?
by joseph kihanya 15 Feb '07

15 Feb '07

Dear Rose, Indeed. FOI is all about each and every individual's right.In some countries it even extends to non-citizens. The contextualization is important. Kihanya ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now.

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OFC meeting, friday 23rd
by Rebecca Wanjiku 15 Feb '07

15 Feb '07

just to let you know that the OFC meeting was changed from the earlier date (22nd) because the PS was not available then, please note in its next friday, 23rd, Rebecca Wanjiku, journalist, p.o box 33515, Nairobi.00600 Kenya. Tel. 254 720 318 925 blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/

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Re: [kictanet] Day 3: What Policies should inform the FOI?
by joseph kihanya 15 Feb '07

15 Feb '07

Dear Dorcas, Indeed. The ICT policy does not mention data protection as a key issue at all. The IC Bill 2006 only mention data protection at section 58,62 and 62 but then only making it an offence to "hack" into protected systems. Nothing about.....deliberate disclosures/ sale..etc of data...how long it should be kept etc. Australia has Data protection/Privacy laws on this see ( a bit old but a good summary) http://www.efa.org.au/Issues/Privacy/privacy.html Kenya will soon require to legislate on this. It may be that the FOI policy may only mention this obliquely as it would require that a separate Bill deals with this issue. Kihanya ----- Original Message ---- From: Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni(a)gmail.com> To: kihanyajn(a)yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 7:52:31 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 3: What Policies should inform the FOI? Hi Kihanya, Want to draw a poniter to a related matter as is being dealt in a different country. Please see the link below. http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid14_gci1242… Walu had mentioned something related: the protection of consumer data by private companies too. It is important that this is captured. Sorry, cannot find the actual mail on the thread but sure he can relate it. Muthoni On 2/14/07, John Walubengo <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> wrote: Thanx Kihanya for your efforts. Indeed this is a fairly un-convential topic in that it has no obvious or immediate financial connotations - hence the slower responses... But back to my contribution. I think the policy informing the Freedom Of Information bill should look towards empowering the citizens through facilitating their access to knowledge/information. We need to think through how our collective data regarding our heritage, history, social and economic transactions can be harnessed and made to serve the common good. I know this bill has tended to create controversy because it has often been looked at in the narrow terms of the Govt vs the Media i.e. Media seeks info visa-vis Govt sits on Info. True, this could be one of the issues but it should not limit our scope because the bill should be a reflection of broader policy issues that touch on different data sitting on various platforms such as (Private) Media Broadcasters, Mobile service providers, ISPs, eBankers, etc. How for example can KTN be asked to share (or sell) their valuable film clips to the Kenya Archives dept? How can the East African Standard avail their 100years+ data to the public? When or Why should Safaricom/Celtel divulge the SMS transcript of a certain subscriber to the Police, to the Media or the Private Investigator? What kind of data security standards and practices should we place for critical and national data stores such as KRA, KPA, Immigration, etc? What of the Certification Authority (CA) providers that are likely to play a cenral role in a future eCommerce environment, how will they collect, protect and avail their data? So I think these are some of the Policy issues that need to be thrashed out in the process of coming up with the final FOI bill. walu. --- joseph kihanya <kihanyajn(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > I trust we may now move on to day 3. Those with comments > still on day 1 and 2 can still do so. > The themes were... > > Day 1: Why Freedom of Information (FOI) Act? > Day 2: What are the current modalities for accessing data > held by Data Handlers (Govt or Private Sector)? > > > Today's topic really looks as to waht should be the basic > reasoning behind the FOI policy and hence law. > > The principles listed hereunder have been recognized by > Article 19 ( an international organizatioin dealing with > freedomm of te press and related issues) as what should > guide the FOI laws(policy). > > PRINCIPLE 1. Maximum disclosure > > That the law should seek this as its underpinning > philosophy. > > PRINCIPLE 2. Obligation to publish > > That there should be an obligation to publish and > requests should be for non-crucial/ essential / bulky > information. > > PRINCIPLE 3. Promotion of open government > > That the law should promote / recognise the importance > of open government. > > PRINCIPLE 4. Limited scope of exceptions > > That the exceptions should be clear , precise and > allowable in a democratic society/ i,e should not take > away what the law seeks to grant. > > PRINCIPLE 5. Processes to facilitate access > > Clear processes for request should exist. > > PRINCIPLE 6. Costs > > These should be kept at a minimum for the public has > already paid for the creation of the information through > taxation. > > PRINCIPLE 7. Open meetings > > Other than informnation, there should bea promotion of > open dialogue at decsion making level. > > PRINCIPLE 8. Disclosure takes precedence > > The tests that are to be applied by the commssioner and > the appeal tribunal should seek disclosre unless the > exceptions and the public interest demand otherwise. > > PRINCIPLE 9. Protection for whistleblowers > > That those who disclose information that is in the public > interest, inspite of the exceptions should not be > victimised/ should be protected. > > > Lets go! > > Kihanya > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! 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Re: [kictanet] Day 3: What Policies should inform the FOI?
by joseph kihanya 15 Feb '07

15 Feb '07

Hi, Thanks Walu. Between my Intro and your post I think that is the summary for the day! Alex, I am making a comment on your post too. Oh well, day 4 approaches. All the three days themes are open to all until friday when I must summarise al comments to present on Tuesday 20th . Kihanya ----- Original Message ---- From: John Walubengo <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> To: kihanyajn(a)yahoo.com Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 3:42:08 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 3: What Policies should inform the FOI? Thanx Kihanya for your efforts. Indeed this is a fairly un-convential topic in that it has no obvious or immediate financial connotations - hence the slower responses... But back to my contribution. I think the policy informing the Freedom Of Information bill should look towards empowering the citizens through facilitating their access to knowledge/information. We need to think through how our collective data regarding our heritage, history, social and economic transactions can be harnessed and made to serve the common good. I know this bill has tended to create controversy because it has often been looked at in the narrow terms of the Govt vs the Media i.e. Media seeks info visa-vis Govt sits on Info. True, this could be one of the issues but it should not limit our scope because the bill should be a reflection of broader policy issues that touch on different data sitting on various platforms such as (Private) Media Broadcasters, Mobile service providers, ISPs, eBankers, etc. How for example can KTN be asked to share (or sell) their valuable film clips to the Kenya Archives dept? How can the East African Standard avail their 100years+ data to the public? When or Why should Safaricom/Celtel divulge the SMS transcript of a certain subscriber to the Police, to the Media or the Private Investigator? What kind of data security standards and practices should we place for critical and national data stores such as KRA, KPA, Immigration, etc? What of the Certification Authority (CA) providers that are likely to play a cenral role in a future eCommerce environment, how will they collect, protect and avail their data? So I think these are some of the Policy issues that need to be thrashed out in the process of coming up with the final FOI bill. walu. --- joseph kihanya <kihanyajn(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > I trust we may now move on to day 3. Those with comments > still on day 1 and 2 can still do so. > The themes were... > > Day 1: Why Freedom of Information (FOI) Act? > Day 2: What are the current modalities for accessing data > held by Data Handlers (Govt or Private Sector)? > > > Today's topic really looks as to waht should be the basic > reasoning behind the FOI policy and hence law. > > The principles listed hereunder have been recognized by > Article 19 ( an international organizatioin dealing with > freedomm of te press and related issues) as what should > guide the FOI laws(policy). > > PRINCIPLE 1. Maximum disclosure > > That the law should seek this as its underpinning > philosophy. > > PRINCIPLE 2. Obligation to publish > > That there should be an obligation to publish and > requests should be for non-crucial/ essential / bulky > information. > > PRINCIPLE 3. Promotion of open government > > That the law should promote / recognise the importance > of open government. > > PRINCIPLE 4. Limited scope of exceptions > > That the exceptions should be clear , precise and > allowable in a democratic society/ i,e should not take > away what the law seeks to grant. > > PRINCIPLE 5. Processes to facilitate access > > Clear processes for request should exist. > > PRINCIPLE 6. Costs > > These should be kept at a minimum for the public has > already paid for the creation of the information through > taxation. > > PRINCIPLE 7. Open meetings > > Other than informnation, there should bea promotion of > open dialogue at decsion making level. > > PRINCIPLE 8. Disclosure takes precedence > > The tests that are to be applied by the commssioner and > the appeal tribunal should seek disclosre unless the > exceptions and the public interest demand otherwise. > > PRINCIPLE 9. Protection for whistleblowers > > That those who disclose information that is in the public > interest, inspite of the exceptions should not be > victimised/ should be protected. > > > Lets go! > > Kihanya > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to > find flight and hotel bargains. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jwalu%40yahoo.com > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! 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Day 3: What Policies should inform the FOI?
by joseph kihanya 14 Feb '07

14 Feb '07

Dear All, I trust we may now move on to day 3. Those with comments still on day 1 and 2 can still do so. The themes were... Day 1: Why Freedom of Information (FOI) Act? Day 2: What are the current modalities for accessing data held by Data Handlers (Govt or Private Sector)? Today's topic really looks as to waht should be the basic reasoning behind the FOI policy and hence law. The principles listed hereunder have been recognized by Article 19 ( an international organizatioin dealing with freedomm of te press and related issues) as what should guide the FOI laws(policy). PRINCIPLE 1. Maximum disclosure That the law should seek this as its underpinning philosophy. PRINCIPLE 2. Obligation to publish That there should be an obligation to publish and requests should be for non-crucial/ essential / bulky information. PRINCIPLE 3. Promotion of open government That the law should promote / recognise the importance of open government. PRINCIPLE 4. Limited scope of exceptions That the exceptions should be clear , precise and allowable in a democratic society/ i,e should not take away what the law seeks to grant. PRINCIPLE 5. Processes to facilitate access Clear processes for request should exist. PRINCIPLE 6. Costs These should be kept at a minimum for the public has already paid for the creation of the information through taxation. PRINCIPLE 7. Open meetings Other than informnation, there should bea promotion of open dialogue at decsion making level. PRINCIPLE 8. Disclosure takes precedence The tests that are to be applied by the commssioner and the appeal tribunal should seek disclosre unless the exceptions and the public interest demand otherwise. PRINCIPLE 9. Protection for whistleblowers That those who disclose information that is in the public interest, inspite of the exceptions should not be victimised/ should be protected. Lets go! Kihanya ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097

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SU: Kenyan Anti-Corruption Campaigner Accepts Canadian Fellowship: International Development Research Centre
by harry＠africanedevelopment.org 14 Feb '07

14 Feb '07

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Day 3: What Policies should inform the FOI?
by joseph kihanya 14 Feb '07

14 Feb '07

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OFC meeting
by Rebecca Wanjiku 14 Feb '07

14 Feb '07

RE: FACE TO FACE DISCUSSION Pursuant to the successful online discussion on Optic Fibre Cable(s), KICTANET has organised a face to face meeting on February 23, 2007. The meeting will be a follow-up to the online discussion and meant to facilitate discussions on areas that may not have been well covered in the online forum. The online forum was calculated to encourage stakeholder input to the OFC debate, analyze the advantages and the concerns of the various sectors. There were contributions from government, private sector as well as academia. The discussions were divided into five themes; Why OFC?, existing business models for OFC provisioning, existing/appropriate regulatory models for OFC, best model (business and regulatory) for East African, projected impact on stakeholders, reconciling stakeholder Permanent Secretary in the Ministry of Information and Communication Dr. Bitange Ndemo will be present to answer any lingering questions or clarifications on the issues discussed. The meeting will be held at the Jacaranda Hotel, Westlands from 8.30 am to 2pm Please plan to attend because your opinion counts. Confirm attendance to Rebecca Wanjiku- rebeccawanjiku(a)yahoo.com Rebecca Wanjiku, journalist, p.o box 33515, Nairobi.00600 Kenya. Tel. 254 720 318 925 blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather

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Re: [kictanet] Day 1: Why Freedom of Information (FOI) Act? AND Day 2: What are the current modalities for accessing data
by Rebecca Wanjiku 14 Feb '07

14 Feb '07

there are no laws guarding issues such as chief or police asking for your ID, they say they want to know if one is kenyan or not or if one is a wanted criminal or not... the closest we came to dealing with this as i can recall is the IPPG document which said one does not have to walk with the ID, it was however not made law and therefore no mechanism for enforcement. going to sheria house for info.....hmm that is debatable in regard to confidentiality, i think we have a right to est who owns what, but again this is subject to abuse, the case of logbook information given by times tower suffices, crooks were using the information provided to forge logbooks and sell non existent vehicles, so there need for information that can be supplied, maybe minimal information should be provided and like in the Google/Earthlink case, they should define what is minimal information....to make sure we all secure somehow.. about the speeches being posted on respective websites, that will reduce the amount of requests and make sure all ministries update their websites.... ----- Original Message ---- From: Alex Gakuru <alex.gakuru(a)yahoo.com> To: rebeccawanjiku(a)yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:22:19 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Day 1: Why Freedom of Information (FOI) Act? AND Day 2: What are the current modalities for accessing data This is slightly long contribution and I hope no information overload again... Q: When the police, Chief, etc ask for one's ID, does it expose the individual to tribal discrimination? Q: When one asks Sheria House for registered companies returns, does it breach corporate confidentiality (along the way "babyteleas") ? Q: Is one entitled to archived/historical data within 30 days, for example, the names of all chiefs that served, say, Makadara since independence? Q: Foreign entities operating in government offices, e.g. Maji House, Research Centres, etc must equally be subjected to disclose research information they are collecting.... - "National Interests" must be better defined to safeguard against past abuses. - All government speeches must be published at their respective ministries 'websites within 24 hrs - Companies must disclose personal information collected, the purposes and the uses made - otherwise discriminatory consumer profiling will defeat the spirit of this policy. -------- sorry in case below overloads------ A recent US example on consumer concerns regarding "Information Society, Users Profiling, Privacy and Individual Freedoms" ACLU slams final San Francisco Wi-Fi contract Civil liberties protection group claims the contract EarthLink and Google signed with the city fails to provide ample protection against data collection By Stephen Lawson, IDG News Service February 07, 2007 The ACLU has turned up the political heat on EarthLink and Google's plan for Wi-Fi in San Francisco, telling the city's Board of Supervisors that the proposed contract doesn't have enough privacy or free speech protections. The ACLU of Northern California said in a letter to the supervisors on Tuesday that both EarthLink's paid service and Google's free offering would fall short of most of the group's recommendations on collection and sharing of personal data and possible tracking of users. Among other things, there are no limits on what kind of information EarthLink can or will collect, and terms for the Google service call for requiring "minimal" information on login without defining "minimal," the letter said. In addition to privacy concerns, the group is worried that knowing information is being collected will cause users to limit what they say and do on the Internet. The city and EarthLink agreed on a contract last month, and EarthLink is confident the closely watched project will get off the ground with deployment of a proof-of-concept network starting in April, said company spokesman Jerry Grasso. But the proposal has been under fire since before the contract was completed, and some members of the board have said a municipally owned system would be better for the city. EarthLink negotiated the deal with the city and would build and operate the network, bringing Google in as a tenant providing the free, slower service. Some critics have warned that San Francisco could be giving a virtual monopoly on citywide Wi-Fi to private companies without ensuring user privacy or complete coverage. The ACLU said a municipal Wi-Fi network should let users opt in or out of any service that collects data on what they look at or search for on the Internet, or their e-mail messages. There are no provisions for that in the paid or free service terms, it said. EarthLink can only save location information for 60 days, but there's no limit to how long it can store personal protected information and no limit to how long Google can store any information, the ACLU said. Users of the EarthLink service can opt out of receiving marketing materials, but EarthLink has free reign to share personal information with partner companies that help it deliver or promote the service. Both service providers can hand over users' personal information for law enforcement or national security reasons without a warrant or notification of the user, though they would require "court-ordered documentation" before doing so. If information is sought for a civil suit, EarthLink or Google would have to tell the user first. EarthLink's Grasso declined to comment on the ACLU's letter, saying EarthLink has not seen it. Google and city representatives could not immediately be reached for comment. http://www.infoworld.com /article/07/02/07/Hnaclusfwifi _1.html?source=rss&url=http:/ /www.infoworld.com/article/07 /02/07/Hnaclusfwifi_1.html joseph kihanya <kihanyajn(a)yahoo.com> wrote: Dear all, These is a Summary of the two days posts. Day 1 That FOI should be framed as a right not a freedom. That FOI should seek to protect e-government/ promote accountability That if FOI is through e-government, should it not be at no cost? That FOI will allow for a flow of information thereby eliminating rumours. That the periods of access under the policy are too longi.e 15 and 30 days, the later being after appeal on refusal Day 2 That the current environment for access to information is dictated byb the Official Secrets Act which is understood in government service? that all information is secret.Case in point ICT policy. Thata policy on access( protection) to data held by the private sector is required. ************************* This has come from the two posts which is greatly appreciated by yours truly. The comments are few. The days are going by and it may be that extensions on these tow important themes would have to be extended to tomorrow with the addition of DAY 3's THEME. Does anyone have an idea as to how debate may be stimulated further.The Policy document understandably is not very sassy.....law most times is not...but there must be a way.... Anybody? Also ,Please somebody comment on the Bolivia story.....public interests group persons? Kihanya P.S.I will introduce theme for day 3 tomorrow. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alex.gakuru%40yahoo.com Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! 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Day 1: Why Freedom of Information (FOI) Act? AND Day 2: What are the current modalities for accessing data
by joseph kihanya 13 Feb '07

13 Feb '07

Dear all, These is a Summary of the two days posts. Day 1 That FOI should be framed as a right not a freedom. That FOI should seek to protect e-government/ promote accountability That if FOI is through e-government, should it not be at no cost? That FOI will allow for a flow of information thereby eliminating rumours. That the periods of access under the policy are too longi.e 15 and 30 days, the later being after appeal on refusal Day 2 That the current environment for access to information is dictated byb the Official Secrets Act which is understood in government service? that all information is secret.Case in point ICT policy. Thata policy on access( protection) to data held by the private sector is required. ************************* This has come from the two posts which is greatly appreciated by yours truly. The comments are few. The days are going by and it may be that extensions on these tow important themes would have to be extended to tomorrow with the addition of DAY 3's THEME. Does anyone have an idea as to how debate may be stimulated further.The Policy document understandably is not very sassy.....law most times is not...but there must be a way.... Anybody? Also ,Please somebody comment on the Bolivia story.....public interests group persons? Kihanya P.S.I will introduce theme for day 3 tomorrow. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html

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Summarised THEMES- FOI POLICY DAY 1 AND 2
by joseph kihanya 13 Feb '07

13 Feb '07

Dear all, These are the revised thematic guides for the days courtesy of Walu( Thanks a lot guy!). Day 1 issues/ theme continues today( The background info is included again for ease of reference) and contributions on day 2 are welcome. Day 1: Why Freedom of Information (FOI) Act? Day 2: What are the current modalities for accessing data held by Data Handlers (Govt or Private Sector)? Day 3: What Policies should inform the FOI? Day 4: What Data should be exempted from the Act (access) & Why? Day 5: How would users update their data Day 6: Way Forward. ************************************************************************************************************************************ DAY ONE( 1) Background Info What is FOI? Freedom of information is a fundamental right that the United Nations in a resolution in 1946 declared to be the touchstone of all freedoms. It is generally a right of any individual to access information held by government. Is it a right? Why Access? Why freedom? There are many terms used in relation to this. Freedom of Information Right to Know Right of Access to information Right to information They are referring to the same thing and the important point is that they can be interchanged but require that one be selected for use in a particular jurisdiction for consistency. Which one should Kenya Use? The Moderator will use FOI in this first mail. How would FOI help in a country like Kenya? Arguments exist for and against FOI laws. Arguments for. I. It makes government more accountable. II. Increases public participation. III. Promotes human rights. IV. Allows for good decision making V. Protects privacy VI. Makes private companies more accountable. VII. Promotes health VIII. Strengthens the economy IX. Protects the environment What are the arguments against FOI? What are your views on the principles of FOI Laws? What do they mean essentially? Does the policy agree with these principles? PRINCIPLE 1. Maximum disclosure PRINCIPLE 2. Obligation to publish PRINCIPLE 3. Promotion of open government PRINCIPLE 4. Limited scope of exceptions PRINCIPLE 5. Processes to facilitate access PRINCIPLE 6. Costs PRINCIPLE 7. Open meetings PRINCIPLE 8. Disclosure takes precedence PRINCIPLE 9. Protection for whistleblowers What are / should be the Objectives FOI Legislation? Vision Does this capture the intent of the right/ freedom optimally? Mission Does this optimally capture the implementation/purpose of the right/ freedom? Introduction (Entrenching Openness?) Do the introductions in the following paragraphs reflect this? How should they read? Paragraphs 1.1- 3.2.3 My comments; This is policy and resultant Bill/ Act may be the most important thing to happen to our democracy since independence! I feel honoured to be part of this debate. ************************************************************************************************************** DAY TWO(2) What are your thoughts on the current modalities / Existing Framework for managing information held by public/ private organizations. Is is known? Does it serve a purpose? What purpose should it primarily serve? Should the dat be protected? Accessible? By whom? for what reason? How long should data be held? Lets go. Kihanya ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather

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Re: [kictanet] calling media
by joseph kihanya 13 Feb '07

13 Feb '07

Dear Becky, I hear you. The FOI is sometimes viewed as an elitist right That only journalists and scientists/researchers are to use it) However, consisder a situation today if you were not allowed to ask questions and get answers BY RIGHT ( as published by government in the daily papers in the last two weeks on the RVF in Kenya)? Remember the controversy on the spread of SARS.....in the Far East...was a lack of info not a key issue? This is how basic this right when enacted would entail..... proactive publication in the public interest. More views please. Kihanya ----- Original Message ---- From: Rebecca Wanjiku <rebeccawanjiku(a)yahoo.com> To: kihanyajn(a)yahoo.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:13:58 PM Subject: [kictanet] calling media the FOI bill affects the media sector more than any other, can the media practioners please fwd their contributions....... Kanja?????? it may be important to discuss these issues before going too far (read ICT debate and the whole question of cross ownership) the earlier we raise them, the better, somebodyyyy?????? Rebecca Wanjiku, journalist, p.o box 33515, Nairobi.00600 Kenya. Tel. 254 720 318 925 blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kihanyajn%40yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265

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Re: [kictanet] FOI discussion
by Rebecca Wanjiku 13 Feb '07

13 Feb '07

please contribute if you have anything to say about the FOI bill coz even after the one week meetings and imputs to the ICT policy document, the media is opposed to sections of the draft bill that relate to cross ownership, we have all the time to discuss these things online before the meeting, i think thats one thing ICTs give us, to move from the more traditional insistence of face to face meetings, i believe the forum will be an opportunity to present to the PS what the media stakeholders will have discussed in form of a report, those present will have an opportunity to discuss from the floor and those who will not make it can make their presentations online.... ----- Original Message ---- From: Midafrica <media(a)midafricanet.co.ke> To: rebeccawanjiku(a)yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:25:16 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] stakeholders workshop During the preparations/drafting of the ICT policy, there were several stakeholders workshops, with a major one week workshop held in Mombasa. After this major workshop a team later went to Mombasa again to draft and fine tune the ICT policy document, and incorporating suggestions,amendments and inputs from stakeholders. This was one of the most inclusive exercise, that I can recall. Micugu ----- Original Message ----- From: Rebecca Wanjiku To: media(a)midafricanet.co.ke Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 7:06 AM Subject: [kictanet] stakeholders workshop even with the stakeholders workshop, there is need for those online to identify issues for discussion, the one day forum may not give media stakehlders a chance to read the document that day, it will be assumed they have read. i think for the few media practioners online, they can identify such issues on behalf of others, thats what mainly happens in other discussions like the just concluded discussion on OFC, i hope we can discuss it before that day, regards ----- Original Message ---- From: "bitange(a)jambo.co.ke" <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> To: rebeccawanjiku(a)yahoo.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:54:33 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] calling media For your information, there shall be a stakeholder meeting on February 20, 2007 at the Kenya School of Monetary Studies starting at 8am till 5 pm. You have to register before Feb 16 by at info(a)information.go.ke. Regards Bitange Ndemo. > I suggest a stakeholders' workshop to go through the document. Not all > stakeholders are online,and may not be in a position to participate in > this online discussion. > > Micugu > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rebecca Wanjiku > To: media(a)midafricanet.co.ke > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:13 PM > Subject: [kictanet] calling media > > > the FOI bill affects the media sector more than any other, > can the media practioners please fwd their contributions....... > Kanja?????? > it may be important to discuss these issues before going too far (read > ICT debate and the whole question of cross ownership) > the earlier we raise them, the better, > > somebodyyyy?????? > > > > Rebecca Wanjiku, > journalist, > p.o box 33515, > Nairobi.00600 > Kenya. > > Tel. 254 720 318 925 > > blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight > and hotel bargains. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/media%40midafricanet.co.ke > ---------------------------------------------- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > --------------------------------------------- > "easy access to the world" > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world" _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/rebeccawanjiku%40yahoo.com Don't get soaked. 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stakeholders workshop
by Rebecca Wanjiku 13 Feb '07

13 Feb '07

even with the stakeholders workshop, there is need for those online to identify issues for discussion, the one day forum may not give media stakehlders a chance to read the document that day, it will be assumed they have read. i think for the few media practioners online, they can identify such issues on behalf of others, thats what mainly happens in other discussions like the just concluded discussion on OFC, i hope we can discuss it before that day, regards ----- Original Message ---- From: "bitange(a)jambo.co.ke" <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> To: rebeccawanjiku(a)yahoo.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:54:33 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] calling media For your information, there shall be a stakeholder meeting on February 20, 2007 at the Kenya School of Monetary Studies starting at 8am till 5 pm. You have to register before Feb 16 by at info(a)information.go.ke. Regards Bitange Ndemo. > I suggest a stakeholders' workshop to go through the document. Not all > stakeholders are online,and may not be in a position to participate in > this online discussion. > > Micugu > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rebecca Wanjiku > To: media(a)midafricanet.co.ke > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:13 PM > Subject: [kictanet] calling media > > > the FOI bill affects the media sector more than any other, > can the media practioners please fwd their contributions....... > Kanja?????? > it may be important to discuss these issues before going too far (read > ICT debate and the whole question of cross ownership) > the earlier we raise them, the better, > > somebodyyyy?????? > > > > Rebecca Wanjiku, > journalist, > p.o box 33515, > Nairobi.00600 > Kenya. > > Tel. 254 720 318 925 > > blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/ > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight > and hotel bargains. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/media%40midafricanet.co.ke > ---------------------------------------------- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > --------------------------------------------- > "easy access to the world" > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world" _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/rebeccawanjiku%40yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091

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Mobile Satellite Internet Solutions
by Alex Gakuru 13 Feb '07

13 Feb '07

Visit the link at the end to view pictures of the trucks... Press a button on the Magellan MSS and 3 to 7 minutes later your computer(s) will be browsing the Internet at high-speed. The Magellan MSS (Mobile Satellite System) is manufactured by Ground Control as a self-contained, automatic pointing, wireless hotspot, mobile satellite Internet system that requires little or no training to operate. Simply park your Vehicle/Truck/RV/Trailer, touch a button, and the dish will deploy and lock on signal automatically. As long as you have a view of the southern sky, you can connect 1 or all of your computers to the mobile network. Broadband download speeds average between 400 to 2000 Kbps and upload speed between 50 and 500 Kbps.... < http://www.groundcontrol.com/prod_ig2500_001.htm > Thanks /Alex --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list.

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calling media
by Rebecca Wanjiku 12 Feb '07

12 Feb '07

the FOI bill affects the media sector more than any other, can the media practioners please fwd their contributions....... Kanja?????? it may be important to discuss these issues before going too far (read ICT debate and the whole question of cross ownership) the earlier we raise them, the better, somebodyyyy?????? Rebecca Wanjiku, journalist, p.o box 33515, Nairobi.00600 Kenya. Tel. 254 720 318 925 blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html

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Re: [kictanet] OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE ALREADY LOADED WITH EMADDO
by charles nduati 12 Feb '07

12 Feb '07

Hi Sang, I thank you for congratulating us on the emaddo, I want to inform you all that being a research institution, by year end certain parts will be really manufactured in kenya. Above all, we already have school management software , library and e- learning open source softwares we can buddle together with maddo for schools. Just place your emaddo order with us and see Charles CHARLES N. NDUATI BUSINESS MANAGER JKUAT ENTERPRISES LTD JOMO KENYATTA UNIVERSITY OF AGRICULTURE AND TECHNOLOGY JUJA MAIN CAMPUS, THIKA P. O. BOX 79324-00200 NAIROBI, KENYA TEL: 254-067-52420 OR 254-067-52711 FAX: 254-067-52438 MOBILE:254-722728815 EMIAL:charlesnduati2002@yahoo.co.uk www.jkuat.ac.ke ----- Original Message ---- From: Mr. Barnabas Sang <bksang(a)education.go.ke> To: charlesnduati2002(a)yahoo.co.uk Sent: Thursday, 8 February, 2007 1:02:50 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] adopt a school Alex, I totally agree with you considering that only 35% of secondary schools do not have commercial power, the rest should be e-enabled. Approximately 10% of the Primary Schools do have electricity. Comprehensive Secondary Education ICT Strategy (Sub-set of National ICT Strategy for Education and Training Developed in 2005 under the Kenya Education Sector Support Programme - KESSP) can be developed through multi-stakeholder forum like the one Walu moderated on the OFC (critical for much wanted connectivity for education institutions). Regards B.K.S. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Gakuru To: bksang(a)education.go.ke Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] adopt a school I thank and really encourage everyone helping to make the Internet for Everyone a reality in Kenya. Collectively, it appears we may actually make National ICT policy target of all secondary to have access to the internet in 2 years and 10 months (by 2010). Nice job Walu, at least no keyboards or monitors got smashed:-) Alex "Mr. Barnabas Sang" <bksang(a)education.go.ke> wrote: Muthoni, Thanks for the highlights on FOSS/FLOSS, which the education sector have been following for the last three years. During the last one year, we have been evaluating and inquiring for proponents of FOSS/FLOSS to come forth with a concrete proposal that will ensure government get a solution that will provide the features and advantages you have highlighted (perhaps another call made here). By the way, for the 142 Schools to be equipped by March, all bidders are expected (mandatory feature) to have dual boot to both Open Source OS (Ubuntu or equivalent) and Windows OS. The challenge is that we are yet to see bidders with enough capacity to handle this kind of deployment in our schools. There is lots of potential on FOSS/FLOSS. Statistic in Europe and Asia indicate to us the direction education institutions are taking in order to ensure TCO and ROI on ICT in education investments are justified. I got a CD from your stand in the ongoing ICT for Development Expo which is quite informative (productwise). Missing though is the e-learning platforms like moodle, which could interest enterprises and institutions of higher learning. Otherwise, Thanks, will take note of your advice on issues you've touched. Kind regards Sang ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorcas Muthoni To: bksang(a)education.go.ke Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] adopt a school I believe that Free and Open Source Software (FOSS/FLOSS) can a play significant role on the software acquisition frontier, capacity building, security (no viruses) and CUTTING COSTS. We surely do not need discounts on software to make e-centers/ digital schools a reality. Muthoni On 2/7/07, Mr. Barnabas Sang <bksang(a)education.go.ke> wrote: Numbers are no longer an issue taking into consideration the current momentum of e-leaders in our amidst: Early Childhood Development (ECD) Centers - 29,500 Primary Schools - 19,890 Secondary Schools - 4,125 Tertiary - 3,200 ICT as an means.... The challenge is to increased access to Secondary Education which currently stand at 60% transition (i.e. percentage of class eight graduates to Secondary education). Big question then is, Does ICT provide answers to such an issue? Yes.... Thus need for prioritization of ICTs targeting Secondary Schools and Community Learning Centers to allow youth out of formal schooling to access Secondary Education. Research also indicates that PC presence in schools, especially in Primary, have some influence on grade performance (sciences and mathematics). Primary schools with ICT infrastructure can benefit from huge knowledge-base and variety of digital content (largely Universal) available. For digital villages and e-schools to succeed, the following have to be prioritized: Content: appropriate content which supplements or complement current curriculum. Thanks to Mr. Sammy Kirui (Telkom) for identifying this need in ICT for Development Expo speech. This is the number one case: Without appropriate content, ICT becomes a luxury and hence no school management committees can justify ICT in education investment. Will there be some significant change in school performance after investment? Can school retention of students (against dropouts or transfers) be sustained? Will the syllabi be better delivered than is the case now? Capacity building: yes digital content can be in place and infrastructure and all software we need to have envisaged e-institutions. Without training to manage the resources and utilized them, the investment will be run down within no time. Challenges of security (antivirus: experience we are observing in the NEPAD e-Schools), malfunctioning of hardware (physiological differences of our landscape - dust, heat, wind/ power access and physical security) and social threats of Internet introduced in our schools. Definitely, training is key. follow-up training is critical as well. ICT Integration: This is an activity that involves integration of ICT in each subject area, making ICT a media for instruction, tool for delivery and channel for information access. e.g. if you're a biology teacher, we expect you to take students to a computer lab twice a week to teach some topics which require animation for better comprehension. If one teaches Kiswahili, we expect some lesson in "Ngeli na sentensi..." to be done in the lab... using Swahili version of software... This is what will demystify ICT from being a preserve for tech teachers to being a tool for every teacher every student rather than for computer students. ICT Infrastructure access: the Numbers, yes, 30,000 Schools as indicated would require some resources. For an e-school to be effective, assuming two students will share a PC in our schools, a 45 Student stream class would use 25 PCs per lab. If the school is three streams, then you require a minimum of two labs. To have sharing of materials and resources done effectively and efficiently, a LAN is definitely required. National and Regional ICT Support Centers: to act as institutions where issues are resolved as they arise in our e-institutions. Could it be content? Repair? Training follow-up? Replacement etc. Support centre should provide some helpdesk services. Connectivity comes to add value to all interventions, especially when an e-institutions realize they have content that require others to access or they would require access to shared resources in some portal. In some cases, Internet might be supplementary to the above key points. Yes, we know Internet is a resource where the learner and info-seekers would benefit. It still lies with having content (appropriate content and security), capacity building (on sites, portals) and Sustainable connectivity options. Thanks to Kai and others who're sounding an alarm for provision of this treasured resource to our esteem education institutions (for Free!). With launch of various products by service providers in the recent past, it is expected that connectivity will be available in most parts of our country / continent! (CEO Safaricom and CEO Celtel -> ICT for Dev Expo quotes). I will be more observant to see demos of these products in a few e-institutions. Thanks to PS InfoCom and all of you working to make eMado (Madaraka) PC a reality. I hope we have other players thinking on content (especially for e-education/e-learning) for various target groups; that will indeed make the eMado attractive. Kind regards, B. K. Sang ICT Department Ministry of Education P O Box 30040-00100 Nairobi ----- Original Message ----- From: Alex Gakuru To: bksang(a)education.go.ke Cc: David Owino Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] adopt a school Whoaa... 30,000 Kenya schools? Gakuru Kai Wulff <kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke> wrote: Hello, we are willing to ADOPT the connectivity to all the schools for free! Kai ----- Original Message ----- From: Rebecca Wanjiku To: kai.wulff(a)kdn.co.ke Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 15:09 Subject: [kictanet] adopt a school Adopting Schools It all started with "Adopt a light", an ambitious city lighting project. Now, Manu Chandaria, industrialist cum philanthropist wants to apply the same concept in ICTs. Speaking at the ICT for Development Expo opening ceremony on February 7, Chandaria challenged Kenyans to adopt schools and make sure they can access computers. "You can change the face of your village school. Just go there and donate a computer. You can change the face of Kenya," Chandaria said. He also disclosed that he will finance a digital training centre in Mariakani. The centre will be expected to act as a base to establish digital villages in coastal area. One digital village will cost approximately shs 140,000 (USD 2000). ends Rebecca Wanjiku, journalist, p.o box 33515, Nairobi.00600 Kenya. Tel. 254 720 318 925 blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kai.wulff%40kdn.co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/alex.gakuru%40yahoo.com We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! 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FOI--- how good is it??
by joseph kihanya 12 Feb '07

12 Feb '07

Dear Becky, Indeed you are right. The Right/ Freedom debate is one that rages in legal circles.We may not settle it here, unfortunately, save to say that a consensus should emerge on whether it should be stated / and implemented as a right( preferable- and in keeping with its basic tenet- than as a a freedoom.it really sometimes is just sematics as freedoms and rights are subject to exceptions-due to the cometiting nature of other rights/freedomse.g. right to expression versus right to reputation. Civil and political rights also get precedence in most jurisdictions over social and economic rights. Access clauses/ implementation AND Costs are issues too that indeed need to be tackled.See Day 3 / Principle 6 On a serious side of FOI see... http://politics.guardian.co.uk/foi/story/0,,1170196,00.html Any more views...?Anyone? Kihanya ----- Original Message ---- From: Rebecca Wanjiku <rebeccawanjiku(a)yahoo.com> To: kihanyajn(a)yahoo.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:16:45 PM Subject: [kictanet] FOI--- how good is it?? Kihanya, thanks for the background, some thoughts on some of the questions raised, Right to verses freedom I think it should be freedom of information because in legal terms, the two terms are different. Though am not a lawyer, I read about the positive rights (right to) and the negative rights (freedoms) Now, governments are quick to obey the negative rights as opposed to positive rights. For instance, we can all go and demonstrate about our freedom from torture or detention without trial and the government will easily heed to our demands, (I guess so) But what about other recognized rights like the right to water? Can the government be compelled to honour our right to water, i think the main objective of the FOI should be to protect e-government and accountability but the bill talks about charging a minimal fee to those accessing information, what will happen to those people out of town, it talks about photocopying and perusal charges, but what about provision of such information in electronic format, do we still pay?? and will it serve the overall objective?? Thats my take on it Rebecca Wanjiku, journalist, p.o box 33515, Nairobi.00600 Kenya. Tel. 254 720 318 925 blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/ Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/kihanyajn%40yahoo.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [kictanet] DDOS attack on Root Servers
by Kagwe James 12 Feb '07

12 Feb '07

Just thought it's not wise to broadcast information about physical location for root servers. May trigger physically attacks. Just a thought......... Regards, James Kagwe -----Original Message----- From: kictanet-bounces+jkagwe=aforbes.co.ke(a)kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+jkagwe=aforbes.co.ke@kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Nick Wambugu Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 1:09 PM To: Kagwe James Subject: Re: [kictanet] DDOS attack on Root Servers Thanks Mich, the information is quite good as security is one of the major concern nowadays. Also to informs guys that we got these servers hosted at KIXP/TESPOK. Thanks, Nick. On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 10:50 +0300, Michuki Mwangi wrote: > FYI, > > Communiqué from RIPE about massive DDos attack again root servers that > happened on 6th Feb 2007: > > http://www.ripe.net/news/global-root-server.html > > In the press: > > http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/INTERNET_ATTACKS?SITE=WIRE&SECTION=H… > > It is worth noting that Kenya is host to two Root Servers namely F-Root > and J-Root in addition to serving .COM,.NET and .KE Root zones locally. > In essence adding resilience to the local Internet infrastructure and > making it independent of the external disruptions. > > Best regards, > -- All what I can is what i can and do..... God give I strength.... _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/jkagwe%40aforbes.co.ke

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FOI and journalists
by Rebecca Wanjiku 12 Feb '07

12 Feb '07

It may be presumed that the main object of the FOI was to improve accountability and flow of information as well as answer critics who have complained about govt red tape and lack of information from the govt. Govt spokesperson Alfred Mutua will also tout it as a remedy to those journalists peddling rumours and defending themselves by saying govt officials were not available for comment or could not release the information But a cursory glance at the bill will reveal that it does not make special exemptions for journalists who in many cases need this government information. For instance, the bill provides that requests for information shall be dealt with within 15 days and if 30 days lapse without any response, then it shall be deemed the info was denied. How many newspapers can wait for 15 days before publishing a story or verifying derived from investigative work?? Are there any journalists in the house???? Can you champion your cause??? Rebecca Wanjiku, journalist, p.o box 33515, Nairobi.00600 Kenya. Tel. 254 720 318 925 blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091

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Online Discussion on the Draft Freedom of Information Policy by INFOCOM - JANUARY 2007
by joseph kihanya 12 Feb '07

12 Feb '07

Dear all, I have been requested to moderate the discussion on the above policy document. I have drawn greatly from previous discussions and especially from the OFC provsioning one that ended last week. I trust I will be up to it as we all shall. The ground rules shall remain as those appertaining to the list discussions. Please submit all your views. A draft programme of the 5 day discussion is attached. The second attachment in relation to a case in point makes interesting reading.It is drawn from a course offered by Oxford University. Day one (1) begins hereunder. ************************************************************************************************************************ Draft Freedom of Information (FOI) Policy Review and thematic analysis. Day 1. Background Info What is FOI? Freedom of information is a fundamental right that the United Nations in a resolution in 1946 declared to be the touchstone of all freedoms. It is a right that is not to be found standing on its own under international law. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948 subsumes the right under the right of freedom of expression. Freedom of expression also inclused the right to receive and impart information. The International Covennant on Civil and Political Rights also subsumes the right under the right to freedom of expression. The African Charter on Human and Peoples' Rights recognises the right as free standing. Kenya is party to all three (3) of the sited international law documents. The Kenyan Constitution at section 79 also subsumes the right under the right to free expression. The rejected draft Constitution for the first time recognised the right as free standing and would have required that FOI law be passed within six (6)months of the adoption/coming into force of the new constitution. Only THREE (3) countries in Africa have an FOI legislation. South Africa, Uganda and Angola. Nigeria or Kenya may become the FOURTH allowing success of pending parliamentary procedures. African and Commonwealth governments have collectively and separately agreed on principles of FOI laws.See www.humanrightsinitiative.org It is generally a right of any individual to access information held by government. Is it a right? Why Access? Why freedom? There are many terms used in relation to this. Freedom of Information Right to Know Right of Access to information Right to information They are referring to the same thing and the important point is that they can be interchanged but require that one be selected for use in a particular jurisdiction for consistency. Which one should Kenya Use? The Moderator will use FOI in this first mail. How would FOI help in a country like Kenya? Arguments exist for and against FOI laws. Arguments for. I. It makes government more accountable. II. Increases public participation. III. Promotes human rights. IV. Allows for good decision making V. Protects privacy VI. Makes private companies more accountable. VII. Promotes health VIII. Strengthens the economy IX. Protects the environment What are the arguments against FOI? A case in point ? (To be provided by moderator - see attachment) Useful websites on FOI? www.unhcr.ch www.humanrightsinitiative.org www.foiadvocates.net www.freedominfo.org www.cfoi.org.uk What are the principles of FOI Laws? What do they mean essentially? Who has agreed to these principles? Should Kenya agree to these principles? Does the policy agree with these principles? Contributions based on these headings are welcome. PRINCIPLE 1. Maximum disclosure PRINCIPLE 2. Obligation to publish PRINCIPLE 3. Promotion of open government PRINCIPLE 4. Limited scope of exceptions PRINCIPLE 5. Processes to facilitate access PRINCIPLE 6. Costs PRINCIPLE 7. Open meetings PRINCIPLE 8. Disclosure takes precedence PRINCIPLE 9. Protection for whistleblowers What are / should be the Objectives FOI Legislation? Vision Does this capture the intent of the right/ freedom optimally? Mission Does this optimally capture the implementation/purpose of the right/ freedom? Introduction (Entrenching Openness?) Do the introductions in the following paragraphs reflect this? How should they read? Paragraphs 1.1 1.2. 1.3 1.4. 1.5 1.6 1.7 1.8 1.9 1.10 1.11 3.1.1 3.1.2 3.2.1 3.2.2 3.2.3. ********************************************************************************************************************** LETS GO! Joseph Kihanya ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [kictanet] Idlelo2 Digest, Vol 13, Issue 7
by Judy Okite 10 Feb '07

10 Feb '07

Prof. Derek, I do share in your grief!! Bottom line,we cannot afford to despise our "humble begginings"(M$)but that does not mean that we remain there? is it about the money? or the software ? if M$ can afford to pay guys to make noise,then we can change that to reality with action......You get all this with FOSS: the firewalls-free, Webservers-free, databases-free, Openoffice-free, so much FREE and it is more secure operating system not that it is just free and yet,For those who need support,then they can buy Foss Enterprise softwares (much cheaper)and get the support......besides why buy a clone worth Ksh 21,000 and and a licence worth the same amount.....how does this work for a common mwananchi? How do I afford all this? at this rate we will NEVER be able to fight PIRACY. For all the kenyan FOSS user's we may have to setup a forum and air out our experiences and state why guys need to see this REALITY!! and stop using FOSS under the table..................e.g for the locally assembled systems' plse let's insist on Dual boot(M$ & Linux),It could be a start........... A request to the PS : Before the government of Kenya,makes any decision on software's,can both sides of the coin be given an opportunity?? I am not shunning M$,its just that I cannot afford it,I cannot customise it.....etc Kind Regards, On 2/8/07, idlelo2-request(a)fossfa.net <idlelo2-request(a)fossfa.net> wrote: > > Send Idlelo2 mailing list submissions to > idlelo2(a)fossfa.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.dst.gov.za/mailman/listinfo/idlelo2 > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > idlelo2-request(a)fossfa.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > idlelo2-owner(a)fossfa.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Idlelo2 digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Permanant Secretary of Kenya speaks about negotiating for > cheaper development tools (John Walubengo) > 2. Re: Permanent Secretary of Kenya speaks about negotiating > forcheaper development tools (PROF. HENRY M. THAIRU) > 3. Re: Permanant Secretary of Kenya speaks about negotiating for > cheaper development tools (Jonah Munyua) > 4. Re: Permanant Secretary of Kenya speaks about negotiating for > cheaper development tools (Dorcas Muthoni) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 01:59:30 -0800 (PST) > From: John Walubengo <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Idlelo2] Permanant Secretary of Kenya speaks about > negotiating for cheaper development tools > To: dkeats(a)uwc.ac.za, Idlelo <idlelo2(a)fossfa.net> > Message-ID: <442956.64301.qm(a)web56604.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Derek, > > my take on this is two-fold: > 1. FOSS does lack the might(economic, political, marketing, > etc) to demonstrate its huge benefit. > 2. FOSS need not mean 'NOT MICROSOFT'. > > I wish to further comment on point 2. in that the current > realities in KE and most of the world really is that the > desk-top is largely M$ and we shouldn't really mourn too > much about that - after all, it does pay the bills for a > large number Kenyans who have created careers around M$. > > A preferred strategy to deal with the omni-present M$ would > be one whereby we are co-existing but with a long-term view > to become omni-present. And this brings us back to FOSS > limitations - point 1 above- we just don't have the dollar > might to pull it off. > > Currently, a lot is happening in .KE regarding ICTs. And > in most cases, including this morning's Grand Opening > Ceremony of the ICT Expo at Kenyatta Int. Conf. Center, M$ > sits on th e high-table. Why? because we in FOSS seem to > lack the might and probably the incentives to pull strings > at high-levels...M$ has the budget to do it. FOSS doesn't > and at the end of the day, it is all about $$. > > Using this might M$ is set to burn their costly OS on every > PC that the Kenya Govt is set to assemble for Computers in > Kenyan schools. Where's Open-source in this long-term > game-plan? I did hint to the Project Manager's about OS on > these computers, but hey, you need more than hints, you > need a sustained, almost full-time job of pushing the > idea/agenda. I believe M$ has a clear budget to pay their > people to sing their tune, on a sustainable basis. We > don't. > > Finally, I would repeat: I prefer FOSS, but if M$ comes > along I can use it as well. At least upto and when FOSS > does wake up in a sustained, coherent way. And I think the > PS Min of Info has to work with what is visible, sustained > and available. M$ in .KE is simply being more visible than > FOSS and we have had to work with it in a co-existent sort > of a way... > > walu. > > --- Derek Keats <dkeats(a)uwc.ac.za> wrote: > > > > > I am writing this from the 1st International Conference > > in Computer > > Science and Informatics (COSCIT 2007), in Nairobi Kenya. > > In the opening > > session, Dr. B. Ndemo, Permanant Secretary in the Kenyan > > Ministry of > > Information & Communication, gave a speech about ICT in > > Kenya. He spent > > quite a bit of time talking about negotiating a deal with > > Microsoft to > > make their software cheaper for Kenyans, including > > developer tools so > > that Kenyans could become software developers. The local > > Microsoft > > representative was in the audience, naturally. Members of > > the Microsoft > > "technical officer" team follow politicians and policy > > makers around > > like flies follow sick dogs. She left when the Permanant > > Secretary left. > > Apparently, a meeting of many of the computer scientists > > in Kenya was > > not important enough for her; certainly not as important > > as being > > visible to the Permanant Secretary. > > > > When the Permanant Secretary made this pronouncement > > about these > > negotiations, completely ignoring all that is happening > > in Kenya with > > respect to FOSS, I was shocked and saddened. I wanted to > > ask why waste > > time removing impediments to creating Kenyan software > > developers, when > > with FOSS we can start immediately. There is nothing to > > negotiate, the > > tools are as good or better than the tools for Windows, > > and there are no > > barriers to innovation. Java, C, C++, C# Python, .NET, > > PHP, BASIC, and > > most other environments are available on GNU/Linux. Why > > do Kenyans need > > to waste their money getting permission from Microsoft to > > use these > > languages for training software developers? This mystery > > that is only > > explainable by the constant lobbying pressure from the > > "technical > > officers" and their like. There is absolutely no rational > > basis for it. > > > > The minister is implicitly saying that it is right for > > Kenya to pay > > money to Microsoft and create a long-term dependence on > > them, thus using > > the Kenyan taxpayer's money to create development > > opportunities in > > Redmond Washington, an area of the world that really > > needs dollars from > > Kenya. It is clear that Dr. Ndemo does not understand > > that innovation > > happens faster when barriers are as few as they can > > reasonably be. With > > Free Software, this is the case. With propriteary tools, > > barriers have > > to be negotiated, and this limits and inhibits > > innovation. > > > > I wanted to show the Permanant Secretary my Ubuntu > > desktop, equipped > > with Free Software development tools for which I need > > neither permission > > nor to pay license fees to use, and which I can use > > immediately, no > > negotiation required. The Permanant Secretary clearly > > just doesn't get > > it. Unfortunately, the session did not have a question > > peroid, and he > > left along with the Microsoft lap dog (er, I mean > > representative) before > > I could use my own keynote space to show him what Free > > Software can do. > > > > So Kenyans active in FOSS, you have a responsibility, > > this man is in > > need of some educating. Please make an appointment, go > > see him. Show him > > what you are accomplishing with software Freedom. We need > > to find a way > > to balance the lobbying power of Microsoft, so that truth > > and logic have > > a reasonable chance of prevailing. > > > > cheers > > Derek > > > > > All Email originating from UWC is covered by disclaimer > > > http://www.uwc.ac.za/portal/uwc2006/content/mail_disclaimer/index.htm > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Idlelo2 mailing list > > Idlelo2(a)fossfa.net > > http://mailman.dst.gov.za/mailman/listinfo/idlelo2 > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:00:16 +0300 > From: "PROF. HENRY M. THAIRU" <hmthairu(a)wananchi.com> > Subject: Re: [Idlelo2] Permanent Secretary of Kenya speaks about > negotiating forcheaper development tools > To: <dkeats(a)uwc.ac.za>, "'Idlelo'" <idlelo2(a)fossfa.net> > Message-ID: <003201c74ad1$223b9960$0600010a@prof> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" > > Dear Derek. > It is good to hear your very clear voice again. We are impressing on the > PS > on the importance of FOSS. Nobody needs permission to use these tools. > Thank > you for this letter. > Henry Thairu > > -----Original Message----- > From: idlelo2-bounces+hmthairu=wananchi.com(a)fossfa.net > [mailto:idlelo2-bounces+hmthairu=wananchi.com@fossfa.net] On Behalf Of > Derek > Keats > Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:44 AM > To: Idlelo > Subject: [Idlelo2] Permanant Secretary of Kenya speaks about negotiating > forcheaper development tools > > > I am writing this from the 1st International Conference in Computer > Science and Informatics (COSCIT 2007), in Nairobi Kenya. In the opening > session, Dr. B. Ndemo, Permanant Secretary in the Kenyan Ministry of > Information & Communication, gave a speech about ICT in Kenya. He spent > quite a bit of time talking about negotiating a deal with Microsoft to > make their software cheaper for Kenyans, including developer tools so > that Kenyans could become software developers. The local Microsoft > representative was in the audience, naturally. Members of the Microsoft > "technical officer" team follow politicians and policy makers around > like flies follow sick dogs. She left when the Permanant Secretary left. > Apparently, a meeting of many of the computer scientists in Kenya was > not important enough for her; certainly not as important as being > visible to the Permanant Secretary. > > When the Permanant Secretary made this pronouncement about these > negotiations, completely ignoring all that is happening in Kenya with > respect to FOSS, I was shocked and saddened. I wanted to ask why waste > time removing impediments to creating Kenyan software developers, when > with FOSS we can start immediately. There is nothing to negotiate, the > tools are as good or better than the tools for Windows, and there are no > barriers to innovation. Java, C, C++, C# Python, .NET, PHP, BASIC, and > most other environments are available on GNU/Linux. Why do Kenyans need > to waste their money getting permission from Microsoft to use these > languages for training software developers? This mystery that is only > explainable by the constant lobbying pressure from the "technical > officers" and their like. There is absolutely no rational basis for it. > > The minister is implicitly saying that it is right for Kenya to pay > money to Microsoft and create a long-term dependence on them, thus using > the Kenyan taxpayer's money to create development opportunities in > Redmond Washington, an area of the world that really needs dollars from > Kenya. It is clear that Dr. Ndemo does not understand that innovation > happens faster when barriers are as few as they can reasonably be. With > Free Software, this is the case. With propriteary tools, barriers have > to be negotiated, and this limits and inhibits innovation. > > I wanted to show the Permanant Secretary my Ubuntu desktop, equipped > with Free Software development tools for which I need neither permission > nor to pay license fees to use, and which I can use immediately, no > negotiation required. The Permanant Secretary clearly just doesn't get > it. Unfortunately, the session did not have a question peroid, and he > left along with the Microsoft lap dog (er, I mean representative) before > I could use my own keynote space to show him what Free Software can do. > > So Kenyans active in FOSS, you have a responsibility, this man is in > need of some educating. Please make an appointment, go see him. Show him > what you are accomplishing with software Freedom. We need to find a way > to balance the lobbying power of Microsoft, so that truth and logic have > a reasonable chance of prevailing. > > cheers > Derek > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.29/673 - Release Date: 2/6/2007 > 5:52 PM > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.29/673 - Release Date: 2/6/2007 > 5:52 PM > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:30:59 -0800 (PST) > From: Jonah Munyua <jonah_bits(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Idlelo2] Permanant Secretary of Kenya speaks about > negotiating for cheaper development tools > To: idlelo2(a)fossfa.net > Message-ID: <946250.46064.qm(a)web35301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Derek, > > I am saddened by the Permanent Secretary's proclamation. It is evident > that Microsoft has been stalking and hijacking all ICT events in Kenya. To > them what matters is not what the stakeholders have to say rather what the > government says and thats why the representative left as soon as the PS made > his speech. > > Being a software developer using FOSS i understand the revolution that it > can bring to this country and the developing world at large. Microsoft > Products require expensive PC's to run them. I thus see no logic in trying > to get Microsoft to lower the cost of their Softwares as there will still be > the inhibiting cost of acquiring the PC's. > > It is unfortunate that even the local universities are not taking FOSS > with the seriousness it requires. Computer literacy courses in Kenya are > geared towards Microsoft products and thus the current scenario where very > few users know that they can use FOSS to achieve what they can on MS > products. > > The government is putting unnecessary effort and collaboration with MS to > fight piracy of MS products. To me these efforts should be geared towards > the promotion of FOSS. > > I wish that these sentiments from the PS will serve as a calling to all > FOSS users and advocates in Kenya to intensify the campaign for FOSS in > Kenya. > > Regards > > > --------------------------------- > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and > hotel bargains. >

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adopt a school
by Rebecca Wanjiku 10 Feb '07

10 Feb '07

Adopting Schools It all started with Adopt a light, an ambitious city lighting project. Now, Manu Chandaria, industrialist cum philanthropist wants to apply the same concept in ICTs. Speaking at the ICT for Development Expo opening ceremony on February 7, Chandaria challenged Kenyans to adopt schools and make sure they can access computers. You can change the face of your village school. Just go there and donate a computer. You can change the face of Kenya, Chandaria said. He also disclosed that he will finance a digital training centre in Mariakani. The centre will be expected to act as a base to establish digital villages in coastal area. One digital village will cost approximately shs 140,000 (USD 2000). ends Rebecca Wanjiku, journalist, p.o box 33515, Nairobi.00600 Kenya. Tel. 254 720 318 925 blog:http://beckyit.blogspot.com/ --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business.

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Re: [kictanet] DDOS attack on Root Servers
by Michuki Mwangi 09 Feb '07

09 Feb '07

FYI, Communiqué from RIPE about massive DDos attack again root servers that happened on 6th Feb 2007: http://www.ripe.net/news/global-root-server.html In the press: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/INTERNET_ATTACKS?SITE=WIRE&SECTION=H… It is worth noting that Kenya is host to two Root Servers namely F-Root and J-Root in addition to serving .COM,.NET and .KE Root zones locally. In essence adding resilience to the local Internet infrastructure and making it independent of the external disruptions. Best regards, -- Michuki Mwangi KENIC

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