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Re: [kictanet] the ISOC Fellowship to the IETF application round
by Dorcas Muthoni 15 Nov '10

15 Nov '10

Dear Colleagues, The Internet Society has announced that it is inviting applications for its latest Internet Society Fellowships to the IETF, part of its Next Generation Leaders (NGL) programme (www.InternetSociety.org/Leaders) The Fellowship programme allows engineers from developing countries to attend an Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) meeting. As you know, the IETF is the Internet's premier standards-making body, responsible for the development of protocols used in IP-based networks. IETF participants represent an international community of network designers, operators, vendors, and researchers involved in the technical operation of the Internet and the continuing evolution of Internet architecture. Fellowships will be awarded through a competitive application process. The Internet Society is currently accepting fellowship applications for the next two IETF meetings: * IETF 80, 27 March - 1 April, Prague, Czech Republic * IETF 81, 24 - 29 July, Quebec City, Canada http://www.isoc.org/educpillar/fellowship/index.php Fellowship applications for both IETF meetings are due by 17 December 2010. I encourage you to pass on information about this program to individuals involved in your network that have a keen interest in the Internet standardisation activities of the IETF. The Internet Society Fellowships to the IETF are sponsored by Afilias, Google, Microsoft, and Intel. The Internet Society’s Next Generation Leaders programme is sponsored by Nominet Trust, the Association Française pour le Nommage Internet en Coopération (AFNIC), and the European Commission. If you have questions, please do not hesitate to contact Connie Kendig <kendig[at]isoc[dot]org>.

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Quick Reminder - Mobile Monday Event - 15th Nov 2010
by James Muendo 15 Nov '10

15 Nov '10

Hi, I believe you day is coming on along well. Monday the 15th Nov 2010(Which is today) we would like to invite you an event that will be at the iHub Nairobi (Directions: Its on the 4th floor, Bishop Magua Centre,Right Opposite Uchumi Hyper,Ngong Road, ),at 6pm, Where the Guest Speakers will be from Nokia,we will discussing, *Being part of a sustainable and scalable developers ecosystem *.Bring a friend or 2. Want to know more about Mobile Monday and any Events,visit http://mobilemonday.co.ke/ or follow us on twitter @MobileMondayKe or if you are on LinkedIn we also there http://www.linkedin.com/groups?mostPopular=&gid=3503680 -- James M. Muendo P.O Box 28016 - 00200, Nairobi. Mobile: +254725567508 skype:tim.rick | Twitter: Mmuendo | gtalk: timrick<http://muendoshead.blogspot.com/>

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Re: [kictanet] [AfrICANN-discuss] FW: ICANN News Alert -- Public Comment: Developing Economies and the New gTLD Program
by Brian Munyao Longwe 13 Nov '10

13 Nov '10

Thanks for sharing this Anne-Rachel. I believe that this is very relevant to us in Africa, especially now that the AU has undertaken to sponsor the .africa GTLD. Looking forward to seeing these proposals adopted by the Board and supporting organisations. Best regards, Brian On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Anne-Rachel Inne < anne-rachel.inne(a)icann.org> wrote: > *From:* ICANN News Alert [mailto:communications@icann.org] > *Sent:* Saturday, November 13, 2010 4:05 AM > *To:* Anne-Rachel Inne > *Subject:* ICANN News Alert -- Public Comment: Developing Economies and > the New gTLD Program > > > > [image: ICANN] <http://www.icann.org/> > News Alert > > http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-11nov10-en.htm > ------------------------------ > Public Comment: Developing Economies and the New gTLD Program > > 11 November 2010 > > A message from the JAS WG: > > The *Milestone Report<http://www.icann.org/en/topics/new-gtlds/jas-milestone-report-11nov10-en.pdf> > * and accompanying Addenda<http://www.icann.org/en/topics/new-gtlds/jas-milestone-report-addenda-10nov…>published for public comment today deals with a very important issue: > *how can ICANN assist applicants from developing economies to increase > their participation in the new generic Top-Level Domain (New gTLD) Program? > * > > A Working Group (WG) formed by ICANN stakeholders has been working since > April 2010 to address this issue. This followed a Resolution<http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/resolutions-12mar10-en.htm>from ICANN Board of Directors in Nairobi, on March 2010 that asked ICANN’s > stakeholder community > > *"...to develop a sustainable approach to providing support to applicants* > * > requiring assistance in applying for and operating new gTLDs."* > > Here are some basic aspects of this important work. > > 1. *What is this all about? What is a Milestone Report?* > > The Milestone Report is a document produced by this Working Group that > offers recommendations on how ICANN should develop a sustainable approach to > providing support to applicants from developing economies requiring > assistance in applying for and operating new gTLDs Registries. The Report > proposes initial criteria for qualification as well as several other types > of support to be considered, for example, technical, informational. > > Although this work presents the foundation for ICANN to establish a *Support > Development Program* dedicated to this issue, the work is not final yet. > This report is going to be considered by the Board, staff and ICANN’s > supporting chartering organizations. > > This initiative is related to the New gTLD Program, which in the near > future will allow entities from around the world to apply for a generic > top-level domain. The applicants passing the evaluation process, will sign a > contract with ICANN and run a Registry. > > 1. *Who is being considered to receive support? Who benefits from > this?* > > The Working Group is proposing the following group to be eligible for > support once the "need" criterion is met: > > - Community-based applications such as cultural, linguistic and > ethnic; > - Non-governmental Organizations (NGOs), civil society and > not-for-profit organizations; > - Applicants geographically located in emerging markets/developing > countries; > - Applications in languages whose presence on the web is limited; > - Entrepreneurs wanting to serve a developing market that might not > be sustainable under the current cost structure. > > At this phase, the Working Group has not adopted any specific > classification for developing economies and recommends using a > classification that is internationally agreed upon, for example, G-77 or > United Nations or World Bank classifications. > > We all benefit from this initiative. The Internet belongs to all as well as > the responsibility to look into effective ways to reduce the Digital Divide, > in this particular case, by delivering a sustainable and critical support > for applicants from developing economies and looking for a solution not only > at the application phase but also through to the initial years of these new > Registry operators. > > 1. *Why is it important?* > > It is important because the Internet is a virtual real estate that belongs > to everyone. Entities from around the world should be able to increase their > participation in the top-level expansion. The Working Group also stresses it > is important not only to increase participation from developing economies, > but also to increase the likelihood of success by these new participants > that will be delivering Domain Name Services (DNS). > > The current New gTLD Program, as design, has an evaluation (and several > other fees) that are considered high for a significant number of potential > participants from around the world. Besides the issue of high fees, the > program is in English only and has an evaluation process with criteria and > requirements that are quite complex to navigate. > > 1. *What are the highlights of this report?* > > This report approached the issue of accessibility from several angles. > First, there are recommendations to lower the fees for applicants the meet > the criteria recommended by this group. The initial focus is on a relatively > limited and identifiable set of potential applicants that is often > considered not controversial to support. The main criterion for eligibility > is "need". The detailed definition of financial need and the method for > determining the needs of an application will be part of a continued work. > > 1. *Who is part of this Working Group?* > > This Working Group, also called Joint SO/AC WG on New gTLD Applicant > Support or simply "JAS WG", is comprised of highly respected and experienced > volunteers from the Supporting Organization and the Advisory Committee. This > all-volunteer group teleconferences twice each week, and works through a > wiki and mailing lists. These active contributors are located in Australia, > Africa, Asia, Europe, South America and North America. > > 1. *What happens next?* > > Few things will happen in the upcoming months: > > - The general public is strongly encouraged to participate in the > public forum that can be found here: > http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/public-comment-201012-en.htm#jas-mil… > - The Board, staff, supporting organizations will review the > Milestone Report and public comments received. > - The Supporting organizations and Board will allow for the > continuation of this initiative, which means that this or a new Working > Group will carry this work to a next phase. > - Staff *might* initiate working on the *Support Development > Program*, depending on the Board’s direction. > > > 1. *How can one get involved?* > > One way to get involved is to provide a feedback using ICANN’s public > comment forum. This is one of the ways ICANN listens to the global Internet > community. You can find the link to this forum here: > http://www.icann.org/en/public-comment/public-comment-201012-en.htm#jas-mil…. > The public forum will close on *15 December 2010*. > > If you feel strongly about this (and other Internet related issues) attend > ICANN Meetings – in person or remotely. The next one is in Cartagena<http://cartagena39.icann.org/>beginning of December). > > 1. *Where to find more information?* > > Relevant Resolutions: > > - http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/resolutions-12mar10-en.htm#20 > - http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/resolutions-25sep10-en.htm#2.2 > - http://www.icann.org/en/minutes/resolutions-28oct10-en.htm > - http://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#201004 > > Information about the New gTLD Program: > http://www.icann.org/en/topics/new-gtld-program.htm > > Archive regarding the WG activities: > > - *E-mail:* soac-newgtldapsup-wg(a)icann.org > - *Wiki:* https://st.icann.org/so-ac-new-gtld-wg/index.cgi > > > > This message was sent from ICANN News Alert to inne(a)icann.org. It was sent > from: ICANN, 4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330 , Marina del Rey, CA 90292-6601. > You can modify/update your subscription via the link below. > > Email Marketing by <http://www.icontact.com/a.pl/144186> > [image: iContact - Try It Free!] <http://www.icontact.com/a.pl/144186> > > > > Manage your subscription > <http://app.icontact.com/icp/mmail-mprofile.pl?r=9826907&l=6333&s=VMK0&m=331…> > > > > _______________________________________________ > AfrICANN mailing list > AfrICANN(a)afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann > > -- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe(a)gmail.com cell: + 254 722 518 744 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com

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A haiku for Access Kenya
by McTim 12 Nov '10

12 Nov '10

I have no IP. 3 days now, no one will help. I churn to Zuku. On 11/12/10, Edwin Onchari <eonchari(a)lynxbits.com> wrote: > Listers, > > > > Anyone out there aware of any initiative where the private sector can give a > lending hand to government to deliver quality services to its citizens? If > not, is this something that can be explored? > > > > A suggestion/example I have in mind is for instance have some developers > collaborate with say KPLC is putting a solution in place (integrate with > whatever ERP they have in place) where electricity consumers can key in > meter readings daily, weekly, or whenever they so choose. This could save > the consumers quite a penny in that they are able to accurately monitor > their consumption; access their itemized bills online and hopefully KPLC > can lower the fuel levy that they so exorbitantly charge the consumer! It > makes very little sense to go queue for 3-4hrs at their offices to sort out > erroneous billing month in month out, because their meter reader decided not > to do his/her work and instead submit estimates. > > > > These collaborative solutions can be extended to other government agencies > so that they catch up with the rest of us in the 21st Century! > > > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Edwin > > > > -- Sent from my mobile device Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel

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.Africa project communique (Task force)
by Brian Munyao Longwe 12 Nov '10

12 Nov '10

FYI ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Manager <antahigiye(a)tznic.or.tz> Date: Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:33 AM Subject: [AfrICANN-discuss] .Africa project communique (Task force) To: africann(a)afrinic.net Apologies for cross posting. Eng. Ntahigiye Abibu Manager, tzNIC Tel: +255 22 2 772 659 Cel: +255 784 279 511 _______________________________________________ AfrICANN mailing list AfrICANN(a)afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann -- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe(a)gmail.com cell: + 254 722 518 744 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com

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A lending hand for KPLC and other agencies from the private sector?
by Edwin Onchari 12 Nov '10

12 Nov '10

Listers, Anyone out there aware of any initiative where the private sector can give a lending hand to government to deliver quality services to its citizens? If not, is this something that can be explored? A suggestion/example I have in mind is for instance have some developers collaborate with say KPLC is putting a solution in place (integrate with whatever ERP they have in place) where electricity consumers can key in meter readings daily, weekly, or whenever they so choose. This could save the consumers quite a penny in that they are able to accurately monitor their consumption; access their itemized bills online and hopefully KPLC can lower the fuel levy that they so exorbitantly charge the consumer! It makes very little sense to go queue for 3-4hrs at their offices to sort out erroneous billing month in month out, because their meter reader decided not to do his/her work and instead submit estimates. These collaborative solutions can be extended to other government agencies so that they catch up with the rest of us in the 21st Century! Kind regards, Edwin

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Re: [kictanet] Yawe for Post Master General
by Jane Kagiri 12 Nov '10

12 Nov '10

Listers, I totally agree with Robert that academic qualifications do not necessarily translate into the required experience. However from his list of personalities who have excelled in propelling their organizations to great heights despite their not so high academic qualifications, the one thing they all have in common is that they each had a vision to make their respective organizations what they are today. Robert,please share with us your vision on how you would revive the ailing PCK. Jane Kagiri. ________________________________ From: "kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke" <kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: Jane Kagiri <kagirijane(a)yahoo.com> Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 3:21:28 PM Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 42, Issue 22 Send kictanet mailing list submissions to kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke You can reach the person managing the list at kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Yawe for Post Master General (Rad!) 2. Re: Yawe for Post Master General (Eugene Lidede (Synergy)) 3. Outsourcing, a perspective following Obama's India visit (Paul Kukubo ICT Board) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 14:44:56 +0300 From: "Rad!" <conradakunga(a)gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Yawe for Post Master General Message-ID: <AANLkTinTYzGq3+mt-Gx5R_jsmvLjEYLyO2bfbe3D0gPS(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Add to that list - Richard Branson - Larry Page - Ralph Lauren - Steve Jobs Which is not to say a university education is useless, but it should not be the only consideration. We could also look at what have the candidates achieved prior to coming to PCK. What businesses & institutions have they nurtured/grown? On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 2:38 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Hi, > > Please read the profile of Micheal Joseph & his successor, in addition > would you have hired any of the following fellows; > > 1. Bill Gates - University drop out > 2. Micheal Dell - University drop out > 3. James Mwangi - CPAK > 4. Alexander Graham Bell - Grade 5 dropout > 5. Njenga Karume - Unknown > 6. Sir Richard Branson - O'Level > > > I do not want to belittle paper qualifications but they work when you are > looking for a fellow to maintain the status quo which is something we > definitely do not want to do with PCK. No college in the world can prepare > you on how to turn around an organisation in the state that PCK is in right > now. > > If you are looking for relevant experience then you will need to get an > expatriate as the only national postal corporation in Kenya is PCK. What is > Major Ali's qualification that makes him an ideal candidate as the PMG? > > If you where sleeping & was then awaken by a hissing sound on turning on > the light you see a snake what would you do? > > 1. Call KWS to send a team of experts to take capture the snake > 2. Call the Police > 3. Call KSPCA and ask for instruction on how to safely deal with the snake > 4. Pick the nearest available to through at it > > Regards > > Robert Yawe > KAY System Technologies Ltd > Phoenix House, 6th Floor > P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 > Kenya > > Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Sam Aguyo <saguyo(a)yahoo.com> > *To:* robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> > > *Cc:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > *Sent:* Mon, 8 November, 2010 13:31:59 > > *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Yawe for Post Master General > > Robert, > > It is good to offer yourself to be elected the new post master general. If > i was the appointing authority, i would demand to know what your > qualifications are and what measures you would use to turn around the > supposed limping organisation. I would ask you your qualifications because > it would inform me whether you have the fundamental background and skills > required to deliver the service. I would look at both academic and > professional experience to take the organisation forward. This also forms a > criteria for selection acceptable to all, then we will not have "ya wenyewe" > etc. > > Regards, > > Sam > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: conradakunga(a)gmail.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/conradakunga%40gmail.c… > >

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FW: And now MTN Uganda introduces Shs. 2/= per second
by Albert Mucunguzi 12 Nov '10

12 Nov '10

Dear All, Most likely, you haven't read/heard this: but it's true. 2/= per second... But yes, there are terms and conditions! See details below: http://www.pctechmagazine.com/news/188-mtn-introduces-2-per-second Regards, PC Tech Magazine

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G20 Happenings relevant to Africa to observe
by Paul Kukubo 12 Nov '10

12 Nov '10

Listers Leaders are expected to agree on a "nine-pillar" plan tomorrow that is intended to become a guide to strengthening cooperation between developed and emerging economies. The nine pillars are infrastructure building, trade promotion, human resources development, private investment, job creation, domestic resources mobilisation, growth with resilience efforts, financial inclusion and knowledge sharing.G20: free-trade area for Africa proposed by UK and South Africa. Anti-poverty strategy co-sponsored by Jacob Zuma and former Labour minister Baroness Vadera aims to bring 26 African countries together in a trading bloc Patrick Wintour <http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/patrickwintour> and Phillip Inman <http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/phillipinman> in Seoul, guardian.co.uk <http://www.guardian.co.uk/>, Thursday 11 November 2010 15.23 GMT - [image: Baroness (Shriti) Vadera] Baroness Vadera, the former Labour minister, now a G20 adviser and the co-sponsor of the Africa free trade area initiative. Photograph: Graeme Robertson A free trade area for Africa, to help the impoverished continent match the spectacular growth of Far East economies, emerged as a distinctive British initiative at the G20 <http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/g20>summit today. The anti-poverty strategy, which is partly the brainchild of former Labour minister turned G20 adviser Baroness Vadera, has been developed with Jacob Zuma, the president of South Africa. David Cameron, speaking at a business summit in Seoul today, said: "We should explain that free trade is good for the poorest parts of our world as well, and one thing the British have been very active in trying to insert into this G20 is a free-trade area for Africa. "Africa should be a growing part of the world economy: we should be lifting more people out of poverty in Africa. But we will not do it with all the trade barriers that exist between African countries." There are currently three distinct free trade areas within Africa, but a meeting in January of the continent's major powers is designed to create a single free trade entity spanning 26 countries. However, anti-poverty campaigners warned that a new approach focused on growth must not be used as an excuse to wriggle out of aid promises. "That's got to be the worry – that there's the appeal of the new, and that promises that are quite painful to deliver in the current climate are gone," said Adrian Lovett, global campaign director for Save the Children. Save the Children said that of $25bn in aid promised by the G8 countries in 2005, only $12bn has been delivered, and warned that development<http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/development>progress could be derailed by the economic crisis. Zuma, who is attending the G20 meeting, said the summit is also expected to launch major investments in infrastructure and skills development in developing countries, to help rebalance the world economy by creating new centres of demand outside the flagging economies of North America and Europe. A battle earlier in the year – in part waged by Vadera, who was helped into her current role by her former boss, Gordon Brown – has ensured that the issue of international development is now appearing on the G20's agenda, having previously been seen exclusively as the preserve of the G8. Leaders are expected to agree on a "nine-pillar" plan tomorrow that is intended to become a guide to strengthening cooperation between developed and emerging economies. The nine pillars are infrastructure building, trade promotion, human resources development, private investment, job creation, domestic resources mobilisation, growth with resilience efforts, financial inclusion and knowledge sharing. Vadera, a former investment banker who was ennobled by Brown, points out that South Korea is one of only two countries that has transformed itself from a low income country to a high-income country in just one generation. She argues that it achieved this not by following the traditional prescriptions of the World Bank or the IMF, but by using international trade <http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/internationaltrade> as an essential component of its development policy. She argues that it is not enough to rely on aid over the long term; instead, greater reliance on domestic resources is critical to build a more resilient economy and implement a home-grown development agenda. G20: free-trade area for Africa proposed by UK and South Africa This article was published on guardian.co.uk <http://www.guardian.co.uk/> at 15.23 GMT on Thursday 11 November 2010. A version appeared in the Guardian<http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian>on Friday 12 November 2010 <http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/nov/12>.

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Workshop: Using the Internet for Social Change.
by Muchiri Nyaggah 11 Nov '10

11 Nov '10

Hi Listers, On 3rd of December, 2010 Semacraft (semacraft.com) has organized a workshop on '*Using the Internet for Social Change*'. This highly interactive one day workshop featuring local bloggers and social media personalities will provide participants with easily implementable ideas & skills. *The Agenda* - The Internet Landscape (*from social media to crowd sourcing and all points in between*) - Turning visitors into advocates (*How to go from casual consumption to active participation*) - Understanding relational ties, why they matter & how to leverage them. (*The impact of online relationships on causes*) - Putting It All To Work (*a session where participants create a draft strategy for a real non-profit organisation*) *Venue*: Navigators Complex, Kindaruma road, off Ngong road, Nairobi. Book your place at bookwhen.com/semacraft Kind regards, *Muchiri* Nyaggah Director @muchiri +254 722 506400 Semacraft.com

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CIO 100 Symposium and Awards Ceremony
by Harry Hare 11 Nov '10

11 Nov '10

Please find the latest programme for the CIO 100 Symposium and Awards event here http://bit.ly/9IIS6u to register http://bit.ly/boT7qm Kindest Regards Harry African eDevelopment Resource Centre eDevelopment House : : 604 Limuru Road Old Muthaiga : : P O Box 49475 00100 Nairobi : : Kenya T +254 20 3741646/7 : : C +254 725 650044 Training : : Research: :Consultancy: : Publishing

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Fw: Open consultations on the WG of the Chair of the CSTD on IGF
by waudo siganga 11 Nov '10

11 Nov '10

Colleagues who are following the IGF process will be aware of the anticipated CSTD Working Group on Inprovements to the IGF. A questionnaire (attached) to collect views has now been circulated: Subject: Open consultations on the WG of the Chair of the CSTD on IGF I have the pleasure to transmit to you a letter addressed from Mr. Frederic Riehl, Vice Chair of the Commission on Science and Technology for Development (CSTD), with a questionnaire for open and inclusive on-line consultations in relation to the Working Group of the Chair of the CSTD on the Internet Governance Forum (IGF). In addition to this questionnaire, Mr. Riehl plans to organize on 24 November 2010, back-to-back with the IGF consultations, scheduled to take place in Geneva from 22-23 November 2010, a second phase of face-to-face open consultations on the Working Group on IGF. As you may be aware, Mr. Riehl has been entrusted by the Chair of the CSTD, the Hon. Sherry Ayittey, Minister of Environment, Science and Technology of Ghana, to establish the Working Group of the Chair of the CSTD on IGF improvements as requested by ECOSOC resolution 2010/2 on "Assessment of the progress made in the implementation of and follow-up to the outcomes of the World Summit on the Information Society " adopted on 19 July 2010 . Please note that no decision has been taken yet by the Chair on the composition of the Working Group. Due to diverging opinions, consultations about this issue are still underway. Please do not hesitate to contact me or Mr. Thomas Schneider ([1] thomas.schneider(a)bakom.admin.ch ), if you have any questions or need additional information. With best regards, " ********************************************* Mongi Hamdi Head of the Secretariat of the United Nations Commission on Science and Technology for Development Palais des Nations Room E-7077, UNCTAD Geneva, Switzerland Tel. 004122 917 5069 (See attached file: Letter 5 Nov 2010.PDF) (See attached file: Questionnaire (final 5 Nov).doc) _______________________________________________ igf_members mailing list igf_members(a)intgovforum.org http://intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/igf_members_intgovforum.org References 1. mailto:thomas.schneider@bakom.admin.ch

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Mobile Monday Event - 15th Nov 2010
by James Muendo 11 Nov '10

11 Nov '10

Hi, I believe you day is coming on along well. Monday the 15th Nov 2010 we would like to invite you an event that will be at the iHub Nairobi (Directions: Its on the 4th floor, Bishop Magua Centre,Right Opposite Uchumi Hyper,Ngong Road, ),at 6pm, Where the Guest Speakers will be from Nokia,we will discussing, What does it take to win Kshs1M in seed money for your startup.Bring a friend or 2 as you come to listen on how you can get money for your startup. Want to know more about Mobile Monday and any Events,visit http://mobilemonday.co.ke/ or follow us on twitter @MobileMondayKe or if you are on LinkedIn we also there http://www.linkedin.com/groups?mostPopular=&gid=3503680 -- James M. Muendo P.O Box 28016 - 00200, Nairobi. Mobile: +254725567508 skype:tim.rick | Twitter: Mmuendo | gtalk: timrick<http://muendoshead.blogspot.com/>

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All girls team wins top prize for IPO48 Software application development competition
by alice＠apc.org 11 Nov '10

11 Nov '10

http://afnogchix.blogspot.com/2010/11/all-girls-team-wins-kshs-1-million.ht… An all girls team made of two BBIT fourth year students Lilian Nduati and Linda Kwamboka, and two alumni - Jamila Abass and Susan Eve Ogula and Catherine Kiguru a developer in Tracom , won the top prize of Kshs 1 million in the inaugural IPO48 software application development competition hosted by SEP (Strathmore Enterprise Program) at the University from 29th to 31st October. The four are members of AkiraChix a group of geek girls. The winning team developed an application dubbed M-Farm - an information service that focuses on delivering real time information to farmers on current market prices of their products. It also aims to bring farmers together in a collaborative forum. Essentially, the M-Farm service will help small-scale farmers get price information that will help them know where to get the best deal for their products through their mobile phones. It fills an information gap currently used by middlemen to the detriment of the farmer. The service will also provide farmers with weather alerts, connect with other farmers, find nearest farm stores and get help from farm experts. M-Farm has simple and easy to use features. It can be accessed in Kiswahili language and integrates an Interactive Voice Response (IVR). IPO48 is a boot-camp style initiative whose aim is for developers to build new web and mobile services in 48 hours only! It was organized by HumanIPO and Garage48.org. It was the first time the competition was being held in Africa. Blogger Moses Kemibaro wrote: the IPO48 was a highly competitive and successful event with many great software applications and business concepts coming to the fore. Its amazing how much creativity and ingenuity was presented there and I found myself thinking more like a venture capitalist, rather than observer. One thing however is for sure many of the ideas that did not win will still find suitors and in fact it was announced that one already had an Angel Investor in place! See: http://www.moseskemibaro.com/2010/11/01/akirachix-win-kes-1-million-in-ipo4… For a full breakdown of the results, visit this post at Afrinnovator.com who also covered IPO48 in detail.. Adopted from Strathmore website.

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Fwd: [AfrICANN-discuss] Application for the .Africa gTLD
by Brian Munyao Longwe 10 Nov '10

10 Nov '10

FYI Dear All, The African Union Commission (AUC) conducted an African Expert meeting to discuss all relevant issues regarding the .Africa *gTLD *project which aims at branding the African continent on the cyberspace and provide African community with a continental mark on the Internet. The meeting took place on the UNECA on 5-6 November 2010. The participants were 13 experts from different organizations and member states. It is worth mentioning that the AUC was mandated by the AU Communication and Information Technologies Ministerial Conference (CITMC) and the consequent AU Heads of States Summit decisions to carry out the required steps towards having .Africa *gTLD. * Thus, the meeting has recommended different scenarios and actions taking into consideration the tight timeline Africa have before the forthcoming round of applications in ICANN. These scenarios covered the issues of the potential institutional structure, Technical and Financial modules. The following points have been recommended as immediate actions to be taken: 1- Announce the intention in the public forum of ICANN and in all Technical, Business and Policy forums.. 2- Sign the Guide Book Letter. 3- Write a message to the GAC. 4- Formalize project Task Force. 5- Prepare and submit the required documents to ICANN. Accordingly, the meeting recommended all participated Experts to be members of the Task Force and also to expedite the process. Best. [image: ESAM-Siganture] [image: African Union Commission] <http:/www.africa-union.org> Esam Abulkhirat Senior Policy Off.- Human Res. & Youth Department of Human Resources Science and Technology African Union Commission P.O. Box: 3243 Addis Ababa Ethiopia Tel: (251) 11 551 77 00 Fax: (251) 11 551 78 44 E-mail: AbulkhiratE(a)africa-union.org Website: http://www.africa-union.org *IMPORTANT NOTICE:* This e-mail message is intended to be received only by persons entitled to receive the confidential information it may contain. E-mail messages to clients of African Union Commission may contain information that is confidential and legally privileged. Please do not read, copy, forward, or store this message unless you are an intended recipient of it. If you have received this message in error, please forward it to the sender and delete it completely from your computer system. Disclaimer added by *CodeTwo Exchange Rules 2007* www.codetwo.com _______________________________________________ AfrICANN mailing list AfrICANN(a)afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann -- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe(a)gmail.com cell: + 254 722 518 744 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com

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Distance Learning MSc with Scholarship from Manchester University
by alice＠apc.org 09 Nov '10

09 Nov '10

Starting each year in January, the MSc in Management & Information Systems: Change and Development aims to develop the "hybrid" mix of management and information systems skills that we know from experience is essential to the successful and strategic application of ICTs. The programme specifically focuses on the planning, development, impact and management of information systems and organisational change in developing and transitional countries, and is co-ordinated by the University of Manchester's Centre for Development Informatics. Being taught by distance learning, it allows study fellows to remain at home and in work, and to study at their own pace as other commitments allow. Applications are now being accepted, and links to this and other details of MSc M&IS DL can be found at: http://www.sed.manchester.ac.uk/postgraduate/taught/courses/08003/?code=080… One fully-funded scholarship is available for a candidate from a developing country, covering all costs. Application deadline is 17 Dec 2010. Details are available at: http://www.sed.manchester.ac.uk/idpm/postgraduate/taught/funding/ If you have any questions, please email the Programme Director, Prof. Richard Heeks: richard.heeks(a)manchester.ac.uk

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MLabs manager position now open
by King'ori Gitahi 09 Nov '10

09 Nov '10

Hello all, � We announced the winners of the Mobile Application labs hosting bid earlier this year {iHub in Kenya, and CSIR Meraka in South Africa} We are now looking for a suitable lab manager for the Kenyan position.� Please forward the following link to candidates you feel would fit this role. � http://www.infodev.org/en/Article.606.html � Regards, � King’ori Gitahi For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. Nelson Mandela� -------------------------------------------------------------- Ovi Mail: Making email access easy http://mail.ovi.com

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Outsourcing, a perspective following Obama's India visit
by Paul Kukubo ICT Board 09 Nov '10

09 Nov '10

Listers The following article appears in the Wall Street Journal. Two points of note for our reflection upon as Kenya. 1. Labour supply shifting to small and medium sized businesses globally. Kenyan talent providers can enhance their participation in talent websites like freelancer.com to promote and sell their services directly. 2. On some services, India can deliver the project at a 10th of US prices for the same quality. The India US dependency is very high even among small businesses in the US which depend on Indian labour to provide basic IT services. This is an opportunity for Kenya. Enjoy the read... The Obama Visit: An Outsourcer’s Perspective Article Comments INDIA REAL TIME HOME PAGE » EmailPrintPermalink + More Text By Arlene Chang Outsourcing has been a major political whipping boy between the U.S. and India in recent months but U.S. President Barack Obama and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh both tried to quell the controversy in remarks before the press Monday. Mr. Obama said outsourcing was the subject of stereotyping in the U.S. which has to be updated and Mr. Singh said India was not in the business of stealing American jobs. Matt Barrie is chief executive of Freelancer.com, an online marketplace that connects businesses looking to outsource work with service providers, many of them in India. The site has 1.9 million members. He talked to India Real Time’s Arlene Chang about his view of the U.S., India and outsourcing. Here are edited excerpts. Freelancer.com Matt Barrie, chief executive Freelancer.com IRT: As head of one of the largest outsourcing websites, you must have a view on outsourcing of jobs? Mr. Barrie: We were founded in 2004 and since then, our two primary markets have been the U.S. and India – expectedly. Of the employers posting jobs, 90% of those jobs come from the U.S. and of the jobs being completed 90% are done by Indians. I do not see this as Indians taking away jobs from the Americans or outsourcing as being a bad thing. If anything, this has been a tremendously good exchange. You have about 25 million small businesses in the U.S. and each of them needs people to help run and sustain their businesses. But they may not necessarily have the money or budget to do it through normal channels. Here, the service providers, a majority of which in the case of freelancer.com are Indians, are providing those businesses with the services they want within their desired cost. IRT: Is it a stereotype in the U.S. that India takes away American jobs? Mr. Barrie: It is a stereotype but the stereotype is actually contradictory. Most of our members seeking services are small and medium-sized businesses and each one of them needs to, for example, get itself a website and maintain it. This need is not necessarily met by the supply available within the U.S. Small businesses are always thinking of getting their things done for a lesser cost, they need to be constantly cost effective. The service providers on our website provide those services to them at a fraction of the cost. This enables small and medium-sized companies to cut costs, become more competitive, and thus helps them grow their business – all of which in turn helps the U.S. economy. As we talk, there are a tremendous number of jobs being created in the U.S. just, say, in internet businesses, whose back-office operations are being supported by outsourced hires. IRT: What are the statistics for the outsourcing exchange on your website? Mr. Barrie: Since we started in 2004, we have completed around 850,000 projects and seen $67.41 million traded. Of the 1.9 million users we have, 400,000 of them are from India and are service providers. A similar number are service seekers from the U.S. The average cost of a job through our website is less than $200. So, as an example, if someone wants to build a website for their business they would normally have to pay about $2,000 in the U.S. to get that job done. On freelancer.com, we have people who do the job for $200. That’s one tenth of the actual cost. The U.S. is the largest poster of jobs for us and India has the largest pool of service providers, but India is also a significant employer. After the U.S., U.K., Australia and Canada, it is India that posts the highest number of jobs that need to be done. IRT: What is the future of the outsourcing industry globally? Mr. Barrie: I think the next five years are going to be extremely interesting. Labor markets are always in flux and while the big businesses are doing the bulk of trade, there is already a fundamental shift in the amount and direction of labor supply. A huge amount of that labor supply is shifting to small and medium-sized businesses globally and as that happens there is going to be a revolution in places like India. If a person wants to start their own small business, all they have to do is go online and get someone who can get up a website for them and manage it – all this done on a shoestring budget. With more such businesses coming into being, there will be more work and the jobs not available previously will be out there. I think the off-shoring of the work of small and medium-sized businesses is going to provide an unparalleled opportunity for the U.S. and India, helping U.S. businesses in being more competitive and helping Indians get jobs that were not previously available. IRT: What do you make of President Obama’s statement in Mumbai Saturday on there being a stereotype in the U.S. about outsourcing to India? Mr. Barrie: I think a lot of what he said is rhetoric. He is in a politically different situation now after having lost the mid-term elections back home. I think he is pandering to the Indian-American vote bank back home when he said that, when he goes back to the U.S., he wants to be able to tell his countrymen that India has in fact created 50,000 jobs for America. Ends Paul Kukubo CEO, Kenya ICT Board Sent from my iPad

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Yawe for Post Master General
by robert yawe 09 Nov '10

09 Nov '10

Hi, It is saddening to see how Postal Corporation is treated as a dumping ground for retired civil servants turning it into a sedated giant being denied the opportunity to play its rightful role in levelling the playing field. Many of us think that just because we rarely receive snail mail that it serves no purposes, we write articles and make statements of how email and instant messaging are the final nail in the coffin of Posta but I ask after your order the pair of shoes online and pay via mpesa or mkesha how do you expect to receive the shoes? SMS, email, or IM. I believe that we are doing a disservice to the country by killing Posta and someone needs to stand up and put Posta back to where it belongs as the enabler for e-commerce, e-learning, narrower of the digital divide and governance. I therefore offer myself as a candidate for Post Master General of Postal Corporation of Kenya. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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Safaricom 3G Data Bundles - Skewed Decisions
by Odhiambo Washington 08 Nov '10

08 Nov '10

Sometimes I wonder how the think tanks at Safaricom reason: What is the difference between a PrePay 3G Internet user and a PostPay one, that makes the PostPay one be given preferential treatment/consideration?? On The DN of today, Safaricom has an Ad on Pg 3 on which they have increased the 3G bundle amounts (disproportionately anyway), BUT ONLY FOR PostPay customers? Seems like those elitist tendencies. I have used Safaricom modem data bundles from the start on PrePay, hence my annoyance at Safaricom favoring PostPay (though I am a PostPay voice user). Safaricom has now decided the PostPay user should get 700MB, up from 300MB for KES 999. For now I'll stay with Orange. They give me 1GB for KES 850, not KES 999. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!

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Re: [kictanet] Tenders for ICT Board assignments
by eonchari＠lynxbits.com 05 Nov '10

05 Nov '10

Hi Paul, On item 2 below, where does one access the EOI documents mentioned in the tender? R's Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: pkukubo(a)ict.go.keTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 11/5/10 3:35 AM Subject: [kictanet] Tenders for ICT Board assignments Listers Please be aware that the Kenya ICT Board issued expressions if interest as published in yesterday's daily newspapers 1. Expressions of interest for the development of a Kenya ICT incubator. This is a project under the BPO/ITES development program to provide a seed-bed of Kenyan IT firms. 2. Expressions of interest, issued by the Ministry of Information for the Kenya ICT Board. We shall be looking for reputable firms to express interest in providing international country positioning of Kenya Outsourcing. Details on Kenya ICT Board website www.ict.go.ke and click on the link for tenders. Regards Paul Kukubo CEO Kenya ICT Board Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eonchari%40lynxbits.com

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Google Earth Maps Update
by robert yawe 05 Nov '10

05 Nov '10

Hi, I appreciate that we get the google earth maps for free but is there a way we can get more up to date images of Kenya especially now with the new road network. The current maps are from around 2003 which literally makes them obsolete. Updated images would also make it easier for BrandKenya and the Kenya Tourist Board to better market the country. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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Open Innovation Africa Summit
by Alice Munyua 04 Nov '10

04 Nov '10

The objective of the summit is to stimulate critical thinking about the role of innovation in sustainable socio-economic development and to contribute to creating a conducive environment for innovative entrepreneurial activity in Africa. The Summit will be highly interactive, and will engage participants in an active discussion using Capgemini's Accelerated Solutions Environment methodology. The aim is to facilitate discovery of how to best accelerate innovation in Africa, harnessing the power of innovation and entrepreneurship at all levels of society all the way from grassroots communities to high tech environments. We hope that participants will walk away from the Summit with new ideas for how to enhance the enabling environment for innovative entrepreneurs to succeed, as well as new network of peers that can continue to be a source of ideas and lessons going forward. Follow-up activities are also planned. The Summit will focus on following four thematic areas: - African Innovation Ecosystem - Enabling Innovation for Sustainable Socio-Economic Development - Technology Platforms - Leveraging Technology to Deliver Public and Private Services to the Underserved - Emerging Business Models for Serving the Poor - Building African Success Stories - Human Capital - Developing skills using the Power of Technology For more information, please visit http://nokia.hosted.jivesoftware.com/index.jspa --------------------------- As part of the pre-summit process Nokia has opened a website for exchanging ideas and learning from the vibrant community of emerging world thinkers around the world. This platform is not only restricted for the Summit participants, but is open for everyone. The website will also be used to share results of the summit with the wider open innovation community to ensure that no one is left behind. We would love to hear your thoughts, questions or comments about the four streams of the summit! Please also share the link with your colleagues. http://www.innovateafrique.com

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Job Opportunity: Mobile Application Project Manager with Mobile Active.
by Alice Munyua 04 Nov '10

04 Nov '10

Mobile Active.org, a global network of people using mobile technology for social change, is seeking a full-time project manager for a new, two-year programme focused on mobile security services and tools for human rights defenders and social activists. The Project Manager will: 1. Manage mobile security products and features throughout the entire development cycle, from concept to launch. 2. Gather requirements of target users in a participatory process, and turn ideas into well-planned and executed products. 3. Create a comprehensive project roadmap and execute against delivery milestones. 4. Manage the collaboration between users, designers, documentation writers, developers and vendors. 5. Facilitate user feedback and testing and incorporate findings into products. 6. Take a leadership role in the design and development of the project's web platform. 7. Work with marketing and outreach team to implement marketing strategy. 8. International travel to work with users and developers required. For more deatils, please visit their website http://tinyurl.com/23sm8wm --

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Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Professionalizing the ICT field
by Shem Ochuodho 04 Nov '10

04 Nov '10

A reflection of a deeper leadership and governance deficit! But it is for Kenyan ICT professionals to solve, with some government vision and cooperation. For the information of those interested, PICTA-Kenya (Professional ICT Association of Kenya) is in the offing. To subscribe, visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Picta-Kenyaor send an email to: Picta-Kenya-subscribe(a)yahoogroups.com. Exclusively for ICT PROFESSIONALS! Regards, Shem Shem J. Ochuodho, MSc (Eng), PhD, LLD (Hon) Senior Advisor Ministry of Telecom & Postal Services Government of Southern Sudan (GoSS), Juba Kenya Community Abroad (KCA) 2007 Excellence Award Winner AfricaOnline 2005 Industry Pioneer Award Recipient Father of Internet in Kenya (CSK 2000) Cell: +249-955-021-040/+256-477-232025/+254-734-137371 Skype: shem.ochuodho ________________________________ From: J.R. Kirongothi <kirongothi(a)kasneb.or.ke> To: Elijah Liech <onyango.liech(a)gmail.com>; charles gathii <cgathii(a)gmail.com> Cc: Internet Users List <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Sent: Thu, 4 November, 2010 10:32:11 Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Professionalizing the IT field There has to be a first step and in this case, Alex, please take up Liech Onyango's challenge as the first step. How about bringing all these institutions under one umbrella to make one strong front? Capt(rtd) Jessie R. Kirongothi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elijah Liech" <onyango.liech(a)gmail.com> To: "charles gathii" <cgathii(a)gmail.com> Cc: "Internet Users List" <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [ke-internetusers] Professionalizing the IT field > Hi All, > I wouldn't mind working with someone on this, we seem to have many > ideas that never materialize. Can we at least make this a reality. > Alex I believe has shown initiative on this, can he get all the > stakeholders on board to see how to actualize this, if we all think > it's a good idea. > > On 11/4/10, charles gathii <cgathii(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I agree with you Alex that in the last 20 years the institutions that should >> have managed the ICT in Kenya failed. I have supported Captain with the need >> to revive ITSA. But we should also not forget that Computer Society of Kenya >> still exists and also Software Developers Association of Kenya is still >> there and many others. So to answer Liech Onyango the registration of new >> entities is not the answer. The answer lies by democratizing the already >> existing institutions Like Computer Society of Kenya and ITSA and modernize >> them to reflect and represent "we the people". I wonder what goes on in the >> ICT professional minds when we see the Law Society of Kenya holding >> elections so their members can represent the body in powerful Government >> Committees. >> >> It is this failure to have a vision and leadership that made people like >> Alex feel the Vacuum with this forum and thanks Alex for taking up this >> major role all by himself. Now the ICT professionals look for solutions to >> PS and ICT Board for Governance issues related to the ICT professional >> instead of having to issues with issues at the professional level then >> approach the Government for answers. Is it too late to collect the >> situation? >> >> Charles Gathii >> >> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:53 AM, Alex Gakuru <gakuru(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Captain, >>> >>> I think the *real* problem has been too many *entities* purporting to be >>> "the" institution representing " we the people" until it became >>> confusingly >>> similar who really "the people" are? kuchanglia roho safi... asante,,, >>> >>> Alex >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 12:27 PM, J.R. Kirongothi >>> <kirongothi(a)kasneb.or.ke>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> This is a very good idea. However, every now and then somebody brings it >>>> up and then a long silence. ITSA (INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY STANDARDS >>>> ASSOCIATION) has been in existence since 1992 when it was founded by the >>>> late Dr. Onunga and others. How about empowering it by enlisting as >>>> members, >>>> review the TORs and establish a self regulatory profession? >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Capt(rtd) J.R. Kirongothi >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elijah Liech" < >>>> onyango.liech(a)gmail.com> >>>> To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> >>>> Cc: "Internet Users List" <ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 2:40 PM >>>> Subject: [ke-internetusers] Professionalizing the IT field >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>>> Is someone out there thinking of a professional body to vet ICT >>>>> professionals. Why can't we have an association for ICT >>>>> professionals...that way we can have a standard way of judging who is >>>>> a professional in this field. This can also provide guidance to >>>>> institutions on the content they need to equip their students with. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> Kind Regards >>>>> Liech Onyango >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> ke-internetusers mailing list >>>>> ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net >>>>> http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ke-internetusers mailing list >>>> ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net >>>> http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> regards, >>> >>> Alex Gakuru >>> http://www.mwenyeji.com >>> Hosting, surprise yourself! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ke-internetusers mailing list >>> ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net >>> http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> CHARLES GATHII >> MANAGING DIRECTOR >> MICROHOUSE TECHNOLOGIES LTD. >> 3RD, FLOOR VISIONS PLAZA MOMBASA ROAD >> TEL: 254 724-812399 >> > > > -- -- > Kind Regards > Liech Onyango > _______________________________________________ > ke-internetusers mailing list > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers > _______________________________________________ ke-internetusers mailing list ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers

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