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Re: [kictanet] Local hosting - reiterated
by robert yawe 31 Mar '11

31 Mar '11

Hi Collins, As much as you disagree with me you need to appreciate that with cloud computing and smart phones we would be moving backwards if we tried to go into casing manufacture and PCB boards as the incumbents have got the process done to a science. There is no way we can deliver a casing in nairobi for less than the Chinese fellow. My issue is that we have graduates out there who cannot get to their full potential because of a lack of a technological infrastructure. What I am requesting the government it to think out of the box, we are better placed to provide the world with intellectual products and should work in that direction. On the issue of power to me it it neither her nor there we have a sank cost in as far as the generating capacity is concerned so unless we can immediately get a cheaper source that will enable us to continue meeting the loan repayments for the existing capacity and still offer a lower cost to the consumer then we can turn off the dams and geothermal stations but until then we need to live with what we have. Still on the issue of cost of power can you give me an example of a manufacturing company that actually closed shop as a result of this? I do not understand the production of sufurias or jikos but I do understand technology and from where I am sitting unless we develop the technology infrastructure we shall never even come close to meeting the vision 2030 objectives. Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 ________________________________ From: Collins Areba <arebacollins(a)gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Wed, 30 March, 2011 8:40:26 Subject: Re: [kictanet] Local hosting - reiterated @robert, with all respect, you seem to look at every other industry as inferior compared to information technology. I beg to differ: Here are my reasons: The Industry is reliant on electronic gadgets imported from China and south Korea, these components will increasingly become a significant expenditure not only by Kenya but also by the other nations in the region. Thanks to technology, CNC (Computer numerical control machining) and CAD / CAM, the technology gap between Kenya and China is easily narrowed. This means that technically if we wanted to start manufacturing PCBs, all we would need are the equipment, standard layout designs and raw materials. Then we can innovate and improve on existing ones. This would fly in the face of your thinkin but actually, after roads GOK should be looking at Energy. (If you ask me it should have looked at energy first). Why Kenyan electricity is 5 times more expensive than china's is a matter for another discussion but Kenya should aspire to have the cheapest electricity in the continent. (Green or not green notwithstanding, cheap first, then maybe green). On the Jua kali sheds, what GOK needs is to have extension officers to now work on getting those boyt and girls hammering 220L barrels into pans and jikos into better fabrication technologies to improve productivity. I believe that granted, these willbe the centers that will start manufacturing components. a shed in Nairobi could be doing computer cases, another in coast could be doing monitors, another could be doing power supplies...e..t.c. On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:54 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: This says a lot about the governments lip service on vision 2030, the setting up of special economic zones and jua kali sheds is so industrial revolution thinking. > > >With technology the entire country becomes an special economic zone whose only >infrastructure requirements are data centres and high speed broadband (wired or >otherwise) all of which are much cheaper to install than 4 lane highways and >11,000 kilo volt power sub-stations, or could it be the issue of 10%. > > >Kazi kwa vijani needs to look beyond the standard 8 drop out to the university >graduate who already has the skills and is only looking for an enabling >environment. > > >Dr. Ndemo, I propose you call your counterpart in the Ministry of >Industrialisation and which ever other ministry is involved in the jua kali shed >project and insist to be given 1 shed in every constituency then take the cash >equivalent and set-up a hosting and collocation centre. > > >All it requires is 1000 square feet of space in your offices (digitise your >files and move the physical ones to Kabartonjo). From your offices get at least >a 1 gigabit link to KIXP and as you are next to Oranges Telephone House which >sits on a node of the Secom marine cable you can tap in for the international >bandwidth. > > >The other link you require is to KeNET (http://www.kenet.or.ke) the education >network hub, which I believe is currently asleep so that the location can be >accessed across all universities. This is critical as we know what happened >when the developers of google and facebook went through when trying to host >within their campuses. > > >If you leave the issue of hosting and collocation to market forces and private >enterprise then our young developers and doomed to languish in poverty like our >great artists. This is the 1968 of technology time to setup an ICDC and KNTC >type entities for the technology industry which you can then float like >safaricom and kenya power after the market has matured. > > >From where I sit not even Safaricom or Airtel have the resources or willpower to >salvage this situation. > Robert Yawe >KAY System Technologies Ltd >Phoenix House, 6th Floor >P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 >Kenya > > >Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 > > > > > ________________________________ From: Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi(a)gmail.com> >To: robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk >Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >Sent: Tue, 29 March, 2011 17:57:58 >Subject: Re: [kictanet] Local hosting - reiterated > > >Developers and Local Hosting providers have for long been involved in the >"chicken before the egg" situation where hosting firms say that demand has to >increase for prices to come down, they have to justify investment. Developers >meanwhile want prices to come down before they host locally, with some of them >barely having budgets. > > > >At the same time, local hosting firms have to learn to offer world class cutting >edge platforms and interfaces to their users if they are going to adopt them. > > >At the same time, it aids when those providing this services go into technical >details, like the type of databases offered, supported scripting languages >rather than just tell us 2 databases, developers need that information. > > >Rememeber there is tough competition from the likes of Amazon who have a robust >cloud infrastructure which is free for low usage >(http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/) > > >As a case study, a local developer has done a popular application , AroundMe >(Nokia Ovi store - http://store.ovi.com/content/103911#/content/103911/reviews) >which has been downloaded more than 10,000 times and with 30,000 searches. The >app uses the Google App Engine (https://appengine.google.com/) cloud platform, >also free to a certain usage . To now the app is still operating on the free >limit (http://aroundmenow.appspot.com/) > >_______________________________________________ >kictanet mailing list >kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >This message was sent to: arebacollins(a)gmail.com >Unsubscribe or change your options at >http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/arebacollins%40gmail.c… > > -- “The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy” ~ Alex Carey ~ Tel No: 0x2af23696

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Fwd: Enter the V2030 ICT Innovation Awards
by Paul Kukubo ICT Board 31 Mar '11

31 Mar '11

> Subject: Enter the V2030 ICT Innovation Awards > You're receiving this email because of your relationship with Kenya ICT Board. Please confirm your continued interest in receiving email from us. > > You may unsubscribe if you no longer wish to receive our emails. > > > Vision 2030 ICT Innovation Awards > March 31, 2011 > Dear Paul, > > The Kenya ICT Board and the Kenya Vision 2030 Delivery Secretariat invite companies that have developed solutions that drive economic growth and social development as outlined in Kenya's Vision 2030 to participate in the inaugural Vision 2030 ICT Innovation Awards. The Award is proudly co-sponsored by Accenture Development Partnerships (ADP). > > The winners of the Vision 2030 ICT Innovation Award will be announced at the Connected Kenya Summit on April 20. > > Submit your ICT solution to be considered for the awards: > Online Application Form > > > Eligibility: > Companies /organizations that have: > 1. Officially registered in Kenya > 2. Product or service that is complete and in full use for at least 6 months > 3. Product or service that has Kenyan citizens as end user (can be delivered through a third party company or organization) > 4. Product or service that addresses at least one of the Vision 2030 social economic pillars > > Criteria: > 1. ICT Innovation: products or services must use ICT in a way that is new and unique. The innovation should be original in Kenya. > 2. Market Impact: products or services must have a demonstrated positive impact on target community and have innovative strategy for market share growth > 3. Functionality: product or service must be creative and user-friendly in its delivery and demonstrate compatibility and interoperability to third party products. > > > Yours Sincerely, > > Paul Kukubo > Chief Executive Officer > > Deadline > Submit your application by April 10, 2011 > > Stay connected! > Visit: www.connected.go.ke > for updates and information on the Summit > > > #connectedkenya > > > facebook.com/tandaaKenya > > Forward email > > This email was sent to pkukubo(a)gmail.com by pkukubo(a)ict.go.ke | > Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe™ | Privacy Policy. > Kenya ICT Board | Telposta Towers, 12th Floor | Kenyatta Ave | P.o. box 27150-00100 | Nairobi | Kenya

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Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari
by eonchari＠lynxbits.com 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

Deliberations over a cup of tea will definitely encourage a healthy and positive dialogue, and I honestly believe that there is so much potential in the BPO sector that needs to be tapped - quickly and effectively Edwin a.k.a the activist :) ----- Original Message ----- From: otieno.barrack(a)gmail.comTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/30/11 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari I am sure a cup of tea with the PS would sort this out Edwin i encourage you to come along with some positive energy and engage the PS and those of us who intend to Join Bobby, we are in an era of dialogue. Your concerns are noted though, a lot needs to be done to build a great BPO industry and all players need to sing the same tune, Umoja ni Nguvu. On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Ali Hussein <info(a)alyhussein.com> wrote: Wise man Walubengo..:) Ali Hussein - Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Walubengo J <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+info=alyhussein.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:42:32 To: <info(a)alyhussein.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or..ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: info(a)alyhussein.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or..ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: otieno.barrack(a)gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/otieno.barrack%40gmail… -- Barrack O. OtienoAfriregister Ltd (Kenya)www.afriregister.bi, www.afriregister.com ICANN accredited registrar +254721325277+254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno

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Update from Kenya ICT Board Bellagio, Italy Summit 2011
by Paul Kukubo 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

Listers As my team finalizes the report from the 1st Kenya ICT Board Summit in Bellagio, Italy. We had invited a team of 20 odd people from all over the world to revalidation of our value proposition. The team comprised BPO analysts and marketers, silicon valley venture capitalists, Europe based Venture capitalist invested here, representative from World Bank, country strategist from Malaysia, International blue chip firm executives representatives. from Kenya we had 3 firms (Seven Seas technologies, and Kencall) and a members of academia. The Permanent Secretary Dr Bitange Ndemo was in attendance. I would like to highlight some of the key conclusions. We are already planning for Bellagio 2, next year same time. 1. The statement of our value proposition now reads as follows: *Kenya is a globally competitive ICT partner gifted with entrepreneurial spirit and able to translate emerging market needs and connect them with demanding multinationals. *Through much debate, the panel concluded that we need to balance our emphasis on export based BPO, and call centre with support for Kenyan based entrepreunerially based ICT growth. Both are seen as complimentary in terms of job creation. Our value proposition is thus not just focussed on outsourcing but on overall ICT sector competitiveness. 2. ICT is both a sector (firms that provide ICT) and an enabler of all sectors. We need to look at both in our strategy. Malaysia has done this quite nicely even quantifying the size and impact of both. 3. Kenya has an opportunity to be perceived as a world leader in emerging market innovations: Safaricom MPESA and Mobile Money, USHAHIDI, Livestock Insurance (ILRI), Mastercard-Airtel Mobile Wallet product, to name a few. 4. There are companies in Kenya that are now attracting international venture capital financing. Both BPO and call centre companies and non BPO tech firms. Once capital starts trickling into a sector, this is most promising. 5. The global BPO sector is quite big and cannot be ignored. many countries are chasing the sector. Kenya's English language talent and skilled professionals provide us with strong credentials that must be leveraged. The Indian IT outsourcing sector and the Philippines call centre sector took years to grow and was led by the private sector. Government support came in much later. Kenya can learn and fastrack, and government support is important. 6. Government services can catalyse the sector. Government and public sector spending on ICT is substantial across infrastructure, applications and services, project management and capacity. Indeed many Kenyan and international firms have benefited and grown from this. what is needed is an improved framework for technology and capacity transfer for the very large projects which have international contractors. rule of thumb is 1/3 consultancy, 1/3 project management, 1/3 technical delivery. As our software and systems firms develop, they will find that the technical bits are only part of a total package, that includes project management, business analysis marketing etc. Indeed some have made the leap quite nicely. 7. Kenya ICT Board needs to continue to implement on the basis of supporting both export based services and exciting and growing the local entrepreneurs. More from us once the final report is concluded. Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke personal contacts _______________ Cell: + 254 717 180001 skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo ____________________ Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment

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ICT professional Development Courses-JKUAT
by joseph wafula 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

Please check today's Standard News Paper page 45 for the advert. Or go to www.jkuat.ac.ke/directorates/ict or call 0723124132 Regards Dr Muliaro Wafula Director,ICT JKUAT On Wed Mar 30th, 2011 5:29 AM PDT bitange(a)jambo.co.ke wrote: >I will try to explain DV value proposition then seek your input. I did the same more than two years ago but it seems not all of you recall. > >Ndemo. > > >Sent from my BlackBerry® > >-----Original Message----- >From: Collins Areba <arebacollins(a)gmail.com> >Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 13:41:58 >To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> >Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari > >I have a compromise suggestion: > >Edwin and those of us with ideas , reservations and issues to raise a thread >here and write them down. the questions, the suggestions, the complaints >etc. > >Then if there is someone that can compile them and include them as >attachments during the meeting so that content is also captured. I like the >issues raised about the viability of the DVs with respect to repayment of >the loans, i would like to hear that addressed but in an environment devoid >of emotion. > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: godera(a)skyweb.co.ke >> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:21:04 >> To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari >> >> >> Dear Dr.Ndemo, >> >> With due respect, I have read Edwin's emails and to me they sound more of a >> cry >> from a frustrated industry player seeking to understand why certain things >> occur >> the way they do. He may not necessarily be right in all his conclusions but >> I >> think it gives KICTB a chance to correct wrong perception or provide more >> information (as Paul has)on areas that are not clear to some industry >> players. >> I would like to believe that such clarification will enable the industry to >> move >> ahead with one voice and understanding. >> In my view, uninviting Edwin does not answer his queries. >> I think he has a lot of good ideas for the industry. >> Give him a chance. >> >> Gilda >> >> Quoting bitange(a)jambo.co.ke: >> >> > Robert, >> > I have carefully read all of Edwin's posts on this list and I am sorry to >> > state none is positive. I am asking you if we can uninvite him to next >> > week's meeting. There is sufficient evidence that not much will happen >> if we >> > do not have a positive attitude. >> > >> > Edwin of course has a right to see me as a public servant but in this >> meet I >> > have invited more postivists and may be boring to him. Let me have your >> > views sir. >> > >> > >> > Ndemo. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Sent from my BlackBerry® >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> >> > Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:32:51 >> > To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> >> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update from Kenya ICT Board Bellagio, >> > Italy Summit 2011 >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> > kictanet mailing list >> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> > >> > This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke >> > Unsubscribe or change your options at >> > >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> > kictanet mailing list >> > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> > >> > This message was sent to: godera(a)skyweb.co.ke >> > Unsubscribe or change your options at >> > >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/godera%40skyweb.co.ke >> > >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------- >> This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ >> >> ---------------------------------------------- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> --------------------------------------------- >> "easy access to the world" >> >>_______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: arebacollins(a)gmail.com >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/arebacollins%40gmail.c… >> > > > >-- >*“The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of >great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of >corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of >protecting corporate power against democracy”* > >~ Alex Carey ~ > >Tel No: 0x2af23696 > >---------------------------------------------- >This message has been scanned for viruses and >dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is >believed to be clean. >--------------------------------------------- >"easy access to the world" > >

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Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari
by eonchari＠lynxbits.com 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

As Collins has suggested, I shall provide my feedback through that forum. For the "off-list" group that think I am an activist, I already hear this words from the movie "A few good men" ringing in my head.......I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand the post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think you're entitled to!.... ----- Original Message ----- From: godera(a)skyweb.co.keTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/30/11 6:41 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari Noted Dr.Ndemo. The ball is in Edwin's court now. Quoting bitange(a)jambo.co.ke: > Gilda, > I do not arrive at such conlusions just like that. A number if listers > interested in digital villages have written to me off list sayinhg that they > cannot participate in a meeting with "activists" and in applying the > utilitarian theory, it was only fair to propose uninvitation. > > Edwin can see me anytime for clarifications of any kind. > > Regards > > > Ndemo. > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > -----Original Message----- > From: godera(a)skyweb.co.ke > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:21:04 > To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari > > > Dear Dr.Ndemo, > > With due respect, I have read Edwin's emails and to me they sound more of a > cry > from a frustrated industry player seeking to understand why certain things > occur > the way they do. He may not necessarily be right in all his conclusions but > I > think it gives KICTB a chance to correct wrong perception or provide more > information (as Paul has)on areas that are not clear to some industry > players. > I would like to believe that such clarification will enable the industry to > move > ahead with one voice and understanding. > In my view, uninviting Edwin does not answer his queries. > I think he has a lot of good ideas for the industry. > Give him a chance. > > Gilda > > Quoting bitange(a)jambo.co.ke: > > > Robert, > > I have carefully read all of Edwin's posts on this list and I am sorry to > > state none is positive. I am asking you if we can uninvite him to next > > week's meeting. There is sufficient evidence that not much will happen if > we > > do not have a positive attitude. > > > > Edwin of course has a right to see me as a public servant but in this meet > I > > have invited more postivists and may be boring to him. Let me have your > > views sir. > > > > > > Ndemo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> > > Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:32:51 > > To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> > > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update from Kenya ICT Board Bellagio, > > Italy Summit 2011 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co..ke > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > This message was sent to: godera(a)skyweb.co.ke > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/godera%40skyweb.co..ke > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > > ---------------------------------------------- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > --------------------------------------------- > "easy access to the world" > > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eonchari%40lynxbits.com

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Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari
by eonchari＠lynxbits.com 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

Hi Collins, I agree with you, good ideas might be shot down just because they have been suggested by someone that is of "unlike" thinking Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: arebacollins(a)gmail.comTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/30/11 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari I have a compromise suggestion: Edwin and those of us with ideas , reservations and issues to raise a thread here and write them down. the questions, the suggestions, the complaints etc. Then if there is someone that can compile them and include them as attachments during the meeting so that content is also captured. I like the issues raised about the viability of the DVs with respect to repayment of the loans, i would like to hear that addressed but in an environment devoid of emotion. -----Original Message----- From: godera(a)skyweb.co.ke Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 12:21:04 To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari Dear Dr.Ndemo, With due respect, I have read Edwin's emails and to me they sound more of a cry from a frustrated industry player seeking to understand why certain things occur the way they do. He may not necessarily be right in all his conclusions but I think it gives KICTB a chance to correct wrong perception or provide more information (as Paul has)on areas that are not clear to some industry players. I would like to believe that such clarification will enable the industry to move ahead with one voice and understanding. In my view, uninviting Edwin does not answer his queries. I think he has a lot of good ideas for the industry. Give him a chance. Gilda Quoting bitange(a)jambo.co.ke: > Robert, > I have carefully read all of Edwin's posts on this list and I am sorry to > state none is positive. Â I am asking you if we can uninvite him to next > week's meeting. Â There is sufficient evidence that not much will happen if we > do not have a positive attitude. > > Edwin of course has a right to see me as a public servant but in this meet I > have invited more postivists and may be boring to him. Â Let me have your > views sir. > > > Ndemo. > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerryÂ® > > -----Original Message----- > From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:32:51 > To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update from Kenya ICT Board Bellagio, > Â Â Â Italy Summit 2011 > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: godera(a)skyweb.co.ke > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/godera%40skyweb.co.ke > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world" _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet@lists.kictanet.or..ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: arebacollins(a)gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/arebacollins%40gmail.c… -- â€œThe twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of greatÂ politicalÂ importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporateÂ power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporateÂ powerÂ against democracyâ€ ~ Â Alex Carey ~ Tel No: 0x2af23696

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Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari
by eonchari＠lynxbits.com 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

Hi Gilda, I was hopping to brainstorm on many such ideas like pushing to have in the next budget monies allotted to equip the Digital Villages as civic education access points. Model it and fund it in such a way that it is sustainable, etc Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: godera(a)skyweb.co.keTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/30/11 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari Dear Dr.Ndemo, With due respect, I have read Edwin's emails and to me they sound more of a cry from a frustrated industry player seeking to understand why certain things occur the way they do. He may not necessarily be right in all his conclusions but I think it gives KICTB a chance to correct wrong perception or provide more information (as Paul has)on areas that are not clear to some industry players. I would like to believe that such clarification will enable the industry to move ahead with one voice and understanding. In my view, uninviting Edwin does not answer his queries. I think he has a lot of good ideas for the industry. Give him a chance. Gilda Quoting bitange(a)jambo.co.ke: > Robert, > I have carefully read all of Edwin's posts on this list and I am sorry to > state none is positive. I am asking you if we can uninvite him to next > week's meeting. There is sufficient evidence that not much will happen if we > do not have a positive attitude. > > Edwin of course has a right to see me as a public servant but in this meet I > have invited more postivists and may be boring to him. Let me have your > views sir. > > > Ndemo. > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > -----Original Message----- > From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:32:51 > To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update from Kenya ICT Board Bellagio, > Italy Summit 2011 > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: godera(a)skyweb.co.ke > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/godera%40skyweb.co.ke > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eonchari%40lynxbits.com

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Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari
by eonchari＠lynxbits.com 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

Dan, What I have in mind (and we can expand on this) is a Citizen Support Services model that can work in the following ways: In the village and even most government offices in Nairobi, crucial government forms are always in short supply. why not explore ways of getting this crucial documents to the grassroots (DVs buying from the government press and photocopying them and sell at a small fee, download where applicable, etc for the citizens)charge a small standard fee for the DVs to perform some basic back office work, like data capture. Imagine the enormous amount of data lying at the county/district level. How this can be deployed can be explored bearing in mind that we still have silos in government- although from last year's egovt summit, there ought be a single platform for all agencies- we can tap into this.In the future, groom the DVs to perform other support services such as emergency response, surveys, etc for the county government and even the central government. The list can be as extensive and as innovative as we want it to be. I would like steer clear of negativity, but will not relent in asking questions where things are unclear or sound a voice of a concerned citizen where I feel things are not being done right. Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: dan.kwach(a)gmail.comTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/30/11 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari Edwin, Just a thought in relation to your stand.....It would be good to support noble ideas....the best we should do is probably share better ideas.... > Given this, I was to suggest (and I have stated this in my posts) that the > govt can provide a sizable source of business for the DVs using the BPO > model. - Just what tangible example do you have for this? As it is, this statement sounds so much of a vision and not what can be put on a table today.... > > At least now one thing is pretty clear, never ask GOK hard questions (not > even in 2011), else you are negative and unpatriotic. - I suggest we steer off this road, issue at hand should be a on the realization of the Digital Villages project besides other ICT business ventures such as can be found in the BPO Sector... On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 12:01 PM, <eonchari(a)lynxbits.com> wrote: > A 20 something year old from my local village in Kisii with little to nil > prior business experience signs up for the DV loan, and starts up the > business. The question they need to be asking themselves is- " how do I pay > back my loan"?...in other words, where is the business going to come from > and is it sustainable? > > Given this, I was to suggest (and I have stated this in my posts) that the > govt can provide a sizable source of business for the DVs using the BPO > model. > > At least now one thing is pretty clear, never ask GOK hard questions (not > even in 2011), else you are negative and unpatriotic. > > Edwin > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke > To: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com > Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > Sent: 3/30/11 4:23 AM > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari > > Robert, > I have carefully read all of Edwin's posts on this list and I am sorry to > state none is positive. I am asking you if we can uninvite him to next > week's meeting. There is sufficient evidence that not much will happen if we > do not have a positive attitude. > > Edwin of course has a right to see me as a public servant but in this meet I > have invited more postivists and may be boring to him. Let me have your > views sir. > > > Ndemo. > > > > > > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > -----Original Message----- > From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:32:51 > To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update from Kenya ICT Board Bellagio, > Italy Summit 2011 > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eonchari%40lynxbits.com > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: dan.kwach(a)gmail.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dan.kwach%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eonchari%40lynxbits.com

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Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari
by eonchari＠lynxbits.com 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

A 20 something year old from my local village in Kisii with little to nil prior business experience signs up for the DV loan, and starts up the business. The question they need to be asking themselves is- " how do I pay back my loan"?...in other words, where is the business going to come from and is it sustainable? Given this, I was to suggest (and I have stated this in my posts) that the govt can provide a sizable source of business for the DVs using the BPO model. At least now one thing is pretty clear, never ask GOK hard questions (not even in 2011), else you are negative and unpatriotic. Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: bitange(a)jambo.co.keTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/30/11 4:23 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Digital Villages - Edwin Onchari Robert, I have carefully read all of Edwin's posts on this list and I am sorry to state none is positive. I am asking you if we can uninvite him to next week's meeting. There is sufficient evidence that not much will happen if we do not have a positive attitude. Edwin of course has a right to see me as a public servant but in this meet I have invited more postivists and may be boring to him. Let me have your views sir. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 06:32:51 To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update from Kenya ICT Board Bellagio, Italy Summit 2011 _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eonchari%40lynxbits.com

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Re: [kictanet] Update from Kenya ICT Board Bellagio,
by eonchari＠lynxbits.com 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

Robert, I have raised similar sentiments before (with the McKinsey (sp) study approach- I am yet to get clarifications) but this has been seen as unpatriotic and having a post-Kanu hangover. Not to take anything away from the accomplishments of Seven Seas and KenCall, but are these firms 100% representative of the industry? Was it too difficult/expensive to collect the views of other players in the industry to capture the true feel of what is happening? Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.ukTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/30/11 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Update from Kenya ICT Board Bellagio, Paul, Sorry for having to pour cold water on this initiative but as a tourist destination and being that we are trying to sell the countries capabilities would it not have been more productive and cost effective to have had the session in country? If this session was held here and we shipped in the 20 experts we would have been able to include 100 Kenyans in the discussion and therefore have a more balanced result from the activity. In addition the experts would have been able to get an actual feel of the issues in the country for example by calling some of the local customers service departments and be able to give a more in-touch response. Just being the devils advocate here but from the report synopsis there is nothing new in the results all this issues have been raised repeatedly over the past couple of years. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696 From: Paul Kukubo To: robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Tue, 29 March, 2011 19:17:22 Subject: [kictanet] Update from Kenya ICT Board Bellagio, Italy Summit 2011 Listers As my team finalizes the report from the 1st Kenya ICT Board Summit in Bellagio, Italy. We had invited a team of 20 odd people from all over the world to revalidation of our value proposition. The team comprised BPO analysts and marketers, silicon valley venture capitalists, Europe based Venture capitalist invested here, representative from World Bank, country strategist from Malaysia, International blue chip firm executives representatives. from Kenya we had 3 firms (Seven Seas technologies, and Kencall) and a members of academia. The Permanent Secretary Dr Bitange Ndemo was in attendance. I would like to highlight some of the key conclusions. We are already planning for Bellagio 2, next year same time. The statement of our value proposition now reads as follows: Kenya is a globally competitive ICT partner gifted with entrepreneurial spirit and able to translate emerging market needs and connect them with demanding multinationals. Through much debate, the panel concluded that we need to balance our emphasis on export based BPO, and call centre with support for Kenyan based entrepreunerially based ICT growth. Both are seen as complimentary in terms of job creation. Our value proposition is thus not just focussed on outsourcing but on overall ICT sector competitiveness. ICT is both a sector (firms that provide ICT) and an enabler of all sectors. We need to look at both in our strategy. Malaysia has done this quite nicely even quantifying the size and impact of both. Kenya has an opportunity to be perceived as a world leader in emerging market innovations: Safaricom MPESA and Mobile Money, USHAHIDI, Livestock Insurance (ILRI), Mastercard-Airtel Mobile Wallet product, to name a few. There are companies in Kenya that are now attracting international venture capital financing. Both BPO and call centre companies and non BPO tech firms. Once capital starts trickling into a sector, this is most promising. The global BPO sector is quite big and cannot be ignored. many countries are chasing the sector. Kenya's English language talent and skilled professionals provide us with strong credentials that must be leveraged. The Indian IT outsourcing sector and the Philippines call centre sector took years to grow and was led by the private sector. Government support came in much later. Kenya can learn and fastrack, and government support is important. Government services can catalyse the sector. Government and public sector spending on ICT is substantial across infrastructure, applications and services, project management and capacity. Indeed many Kenyan and international firms have benefited and grown from this. what is needed is an improved framework for technology and capacity transfer for the very large projects which have international contractors. rule of thumb is 1/3 consultancy, 1/3 project management, 1/3 technical delivery. As our software and systems firms develop, they will find that the technical bits are only part of a total package, that includes project management, business analysis marketing etc. Indeed some have made the leap quite nicely. Kenya ICT Board needs to continue to implement on the basis of supporting both export based services and exciting and growing the local entrepreneurs. More from us once the final report is concluded. Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke personal contacts _______________ Cell: + 254 717 180001 skype: kukubopaul googletalk: pkukubo personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo ____________________ Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment

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Local hosting - reiterated
by robert yawe 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

Hi Listers, Just felt that this is a topic that needs to be kept alive until we get some serious resolutions, it is one thing to scream about local content and another providing the enabling environment. We currently have no reliable application hosting and collection service providers I had thought that with the bashing by Safaricom of the incumbent ISPs they would have gone off to develop other areas, but from what is happening they might also be beaten to this by big green. It is time those claiming to run incubators for developers realise that without reliable and cost effective hosting and collocation facilities the tools they are providing shall remain theoretical. To a web developer hosting space is more critical than office space as their work place is virtual, so providing office space still leaves 60 - 80% of the recurrent project budget going to hosting and collocation. This is one of the times when I think we are justified in calling on KICT Board and the Ministry for Information to help. Today the average cost of collocation for a 2U rack space is US $ 400/- per month and a server costs about US 1,500/- which is the bear minimum for a redundant setup you require at least 6 U space, 2 servers and a firewall/switch. If there is someone out there who can provide the service for less and is connected to KIXP please stand and be counted. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies
by eonchari＠lynxbits.com 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

Hi Muriuki, Thanks for the update, could you kindly share the study if you happen to have access to it. As we keep debating this issues - I am tempted to wonder who comprises the members of the ICT board and what are their credentials/ experience, etc? Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: mureithi(a)summitstrategies.co.keTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/30/11 3:15 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies Hi Edwin Last year Sept/Oct , IBM Corporate Service Corps – a CSR arm of IBM - carried out in-depth studies on Digital villages and confirmed the huge opportunity to transform and empower the rural communities through BPO/ITES. One team specifically focusing on BPO/ITES laid out a strategy to exploit the opportunity . Government provides the greatest opportunity to drive sustainability for the digital villages. The team also identified corporates in the capital city as well as rural based enterprises to compliment the government business. Already low lying fruits exist to be tapped by digital villages with minimal effort apart from a firm decision and commitment to tap it The other two teams focused on a frameworks to empower the digital village entrepreneur and an overarching national strategy for digital villages . The findings present intervention points for actors and areas of synergy cheers Muriuki Mureithi What could i be losing with all the gaining ? Bob Buford US Author From: kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mureithi=summitstrategies.co.ke@lists.kictanet..or.ke] On Behalf Of eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Sent: 29 March 2011 20:42 To: mureithi(a)summitstrategies.co.ke Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies Matunda, The main reason why we have very little domestic outsourcing is because of lack of marketing/sensitization on the advantages of outsourcing. Financial firms for example have sighted information insecurity as the top reason why they are not outsourcing. Bank A fears that once it has outsourced some of it's "non-core" but critical processes, their competition will get access to this information and use it to put them out of business (which is where industry standards and ethics ought to come in) The government has to a large extent been focused on large projects that it tenders out; where majority of the local firms get locked out. As a preempt to an upcoming meeting next week with Dr. Ndemo; I will be suggesting mechanisms of leveraging Digital Villages for government outsourcing. Government has the ability to stake at least 50% of the domestic outsourcing market and in turn create employment for tens of thousands for our youth. Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.com To: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/29/11 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies Gilda and all on the list, We are looking for case studies across the world, Kenya included; and of countries like India, Philippines, Egypt, South Africa and many others (e.g. in South America) that have on the outsourcing "map" for a fair amount of time. South Africa is of key interest to us. On Onchari's comments, we would be interested to know why (in the case of Kenya) there is little in domestic outsourcing. What's it that deters potential outsources (e.g. government, financial institutions, etc.) from outsourcing? On an aside, I once mentioned the subject to a group of Bank HR types and they reacted almost in disbelief that such could happen. I wonder whether that's one of the impediments? From: "godera(a)skyweb.co.ke" To: Matunda Nyanchama Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 5:43:02 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies Matunda, I would say that given the "age" of the industry, there is probably no study that has been done per se on domestic outsourcing. However, there are various organisations you can talk to and collect some useful information. For instance, some of the local Call Centres and BPOs are doing local work. How about talking to them and hearing them out and possibly talking to their clients too? Kencall, Horizon,the former Kentech Data (I think they changed name to Techno something- sorry,I am not sure of the full name,)not to mention the many who provide other services such as Payroll etc. Maybe you could be the first to gather such information into one document.... All the best Gilda Quoting Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.com>: > Friends, > > I am looking for studies (especially of success stories) of domestic ICT > outsourcing. If anyone has pointers, please share. > > Many thanks. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama@aganoconsulting..com > Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: > okiambe > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Be prepared to face ICT Security failures & know how to respond when they > happen! > > Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info(a)aganoconsulting.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "A bus station is where a bus stops. 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Re: [kictanet] Update from Kenya ICT Board Bellagio, Italy Summit 2011
by Wamuyu Gatheru 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

Many thanks Paul. I hope a version of this including the value proposition is widely communicated - so that it starts to appear in media articles, govt speeches, govt Planning docs, Vision 2030 Communications. So the preparedness of the country, in this regard, becomes as widely known as plans for tourism and highways. Also, I assume, ICT board has goals to measure gains from this Bellagio strategising. Report these achievements, when you can, so that we know if any business was created as a result. regards, Wamuyu -- Soko ID Co. Ltd http://www.soko-id.co.ke/ Soko ID is an innovative company that supports public organisations and promotes the Kenyan heritage on the internet. Quoting Paul Kukubo <pkukubo(a)ict.go.ke>: > Listers > > As my team finalizes the report from the 1st Kenya ICT Board Summit in > Bellagio, Italy. We had invited a team of 20 odd people from all over the > world to revalidation of our value proposition. The team comprised BPO > analysts and marketers, silicon valley venture capitalists, Europe based > Venture capitalist invested here, representative from World Bank, country > strategist from Malaysia, International blue chip firm executives > representatives. from Kenya we had 3 firms (Seven Seas technologies, and > Kencall) and a members of academia. The Permanent Secretary Dr Bitange Ndemo > was in attendance. > > I would like to highlight some of the key conclusions. We are already > planning for Bellagio 2, next year same time. > > > 1. The statement of our value proposition now reads as follows: *Kenya is > a globally competitive ICT partner gifted with entrepreneurial spirit and > able to translate emerging market needs and connect them with demanding > multinationals. *Through much debate, the panel concluded that we need to > balance our emphasis on export based BPO, and call centre with support for > Kenyan based entrepreunerially based ICT growth. Both are seen as > complimentary in terms of job creation. Our value proposition is thus not > just focussed on outsourcing but on overall ICT sector competitiveness. > 2. ICT is both a sector (firms that provide ICT) and an enabler of all > sectors. We need to look at both in our strategy. Malaysia has done this > quite nicely even quantifying the size and impact of both. > 3. Kenya has an opportunity to be perceived as a world leader in emerging > market innovations: Safaricom MPESA and Mobile Money, USHAHIDI, Livestock > Insurance (ILRI), Mastercard-Airtel Mobile Wallet product, to name a few. > 4. There are companies in Kenya that are now attracting international > venture capital financing. Both BPO and call centre companies and non BPO > tech firms. Once capital starts trickling into a sector, this is most > promising. > 5. The global BPO sector is quite big and cannot be ignored. many > countries are chasing the sector. Kenya's English language talent and > skilled professionals provide us with strong credentials that must be > leveraged. The Indian IT outsourcing sector and the Philippines call centre > sector took years to grow and was led by the private sector. Government > support came in much later. Kenya can learn and fastrack, and government > support is important. > 6. Government services can catalyse the sector. Government and public > sector spending on ICT is substantial across infrastructure, applications > and services, project management and capacity. Indeed many Kenyan and > international firms have benefited and grown from this. what is > needed is an > improved framework for technology and capacity transfer for the very large > projects which have international contractors. rule of thumb is 1/3 > consultancy, 1/3 project management, 1/3 technical delivery. As > our software > and systems firms develop, they will find that the technical bits are only > part of a total package, that includes project management, > business analysis > marketing etc. Indeed some have made the leap quite nicely. > 7. Kenya ICT Board needs to continue to implement on the basis of > supporting both export based services and exciting and growing the local > entrepreneurs. > > More from us once the final report is concluded. > > > Paul Kukubo > Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board > PO Box 27150 - 00100 > Nairobi, Kenya > > 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street > > Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 > Fax: +254 20 2211962 > website: www.ict.go.ke > local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya > twitter:@tandaaKENYA > BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke > Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke > > > personal contacts > _______________ > > Cell: + 254 717 180001 > > > skype: kukubopaul > googletalk: pkukubo > personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke > personal twitter: @pkukubo > > > ____________________ > Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub > > Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, > through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for > socio economic enrichment >

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Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies
by eonchari＠lynxbits.com 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

Matunda, The main reason why we have very little domestic outsourcing is because of lack of marketing/sensitization on the advantages of outsourcing. Financial firms for example have sighted information insecurity as the top reason why they are not outsourcing. Bank A fears that once it has outsourced some of it's "non-core" but critical processes, their competition will get access to this information and use it to put them out of business (which is where industry standards and ethics ought to come in) The government has to a large extent been focused on large projects that it tenders out; where majority of the local firms get locked out. As a preempt to an upcoming meeting next week with Dr. Ndemo; I will be suggesting mechanisms of leveraging Digital Villages for government outsourcing. Government has the ability to stake at least 50% of the domestic outsourcing market and in turn create employment for tens of thousands for our youth. Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.comTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/29/11 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies Gilda and all on the list, We are looking for case studies across the world, Kenya included; and of countries like India, Philippines, Egypt, South Africa and many others (e.g. in South America) that have on the outsourcing "map" for a fair amount of time. South Africa is of key interest to us. On Onchari's comments, we would be interested to know why (in the case of Kenya) there is little in domestic outsourcing. What's it that deters potential outsources (e.g. government, financial institutions, etc.) from outsourcing? On an aside, I once mentioned the subject to a group of Bank HR types and they reacted almost in disbelief that such could happen. I wonder whether that's one of the impediments? From: "godera(a)skyweb.co.ke" To: Matunda Nyanchama Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 5:43:02 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies Matunda, I would say that given the "age" of the industry, there is probably no study that has been done per se on domestic outsourcing. However, there are various organisations you can talk to and collect some useful information. For instance, some of the local Call Centres and BPOs are doing local work. How about talking to them and hearing them out and possibly talking to their clients too? Kencall, Horizon,the former Kentech Data (I think they changed name to Techno something- sorry,I am not sure of the full name,)not to mention the many who provide other services such as Payroll etc. Maybe you could be the first to gather such information into one document.... All the best Gilda Quoting Matunda Nyanchama <mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.com>: > Friends, > > I am looking for studies (especially of success stories) of domestic ICT > outsourcing. If anyone has pointers, please share. > > Many thanks. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.com > Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: > okiambe > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Be prepared to face ICT Security failures & know how to respond when they > happen! > > Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info(a)aganoconsulting.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. > On > my desk I have a workstationÃ¢â‚¬Â¦" - Anonymous > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain > confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). > Any > other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly > prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the > sender > immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any > > attachments, without making a copy. Thank you. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/

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Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies
by eonchari＠lynxbits.com 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

Paul, There is no organization that is faultless; talking about what is not working and seeking a solution to it, is what brings in investors and keeps repeat business...and if I can borrow from a one Abraham Maslow "I have learned the novice can often see things that the expert overlooks. All that is necessary is not to be afraid of making mistakes, or of appearing naive". Just be more inclusive and seek input from the very Kenyans you are out to help! Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: pkukubo(a)ict.go.keTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/29/11 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies Edwin The reason the South Africa meeting did not take place end 2009 was that our South African counterparts were not ready and frankly, neither were we. The idea still makes sense and our thinking might be that we focus on getting entrepreneurs to meet with prospective business partners. Contrary to the view then, South Africa is not a spillover market from where we can get business that they are not able to service. But it offers a good location for partnerships that require leveraging on skill. We maintain close contact with the sector. If you have any new feedback please share. The Kenya ICT Board tracks seats within the BPO sector has on a regular basis as part of our reporting on performance contracting. In obtaining information, we maintain that Individual company contracts are not for public discussion unless of course the said company authorizes so I cannot tell you who does what. However everything that has been said is important and your qualitative comments on the sector and why local companies don't outsource is true. People don't outsource unless they see value. Period. For many companies locally, it is early days. And we must not give up educating. This is not an ICT issue. It is a business process issue. I can however tell you that every single time we advertise or put out a tender and someone wins it, i bet a job is created and a company grows. (I have kept this forum in the loop). Please help us to widen the interest by local firms in all manner of opportunities. There are plenty and no one should be deterred. International business is great and has high job creation potential but the factors are sometimes beyond our control. Even one media report can have an negative impact. Dare I say,even what you right here and how you say it can have an impact. Keep it progressive and you will be amazed. I had some investors in last week to visit very specific shortlisted firms. They came in during the week our university students were raising issues on the unfortunate death of their colleague. Because of the amount of preparatory work the investor had done and their local prospective firms had done, they were not deterred and did not read the mood wrongly. This is a change from a few years ago. They will be investing money in one or two other companies. When a s sector starts to attract international capital, that is exciting and proof enough. The hungry business types locally will always carry the day. We are making progress and keeping our eye on the prize. Kenya's ICT sector is attracting a lot of positive attention. Please be a part of this train. As ante Paul Kukubo. Sent from my iPad On 29 Mar 2011, at 21:00, eonchari(a)lynxbits.com wrote: Matunda, To site a recent example, we had an invitation from BPeSA and other BPO stakeholders in SA sometime in 2009/10. In the invitation, Kenyan players in the sector (including students) were was to visit South Africa to learn from them how and why they have been so successful. The concerned government agency did not obviously see the value in this and we missed this grand opportunity. There have been many of such lost opportunities and I honestly believe there is too much rhetoric and little to no action. Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.comTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/29/11 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies Edwin, In the case of Kenya, I think the issues would be broader; it is the reason we are interested in success factors where this has happened. I imagine countries like the Philippines, India, South Africa, Egypt, etc can be good case studies; they coudl offer lessons for Kenya and others. Shukrani. From: "eonchari(a)lynxbits.com" To: mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 4:19:40 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies Matunda, there is zero documentation on domestic outsourcing for a couple of reasons; i)companies that engage in domestic ICT projects are not active in BPO forums and (ii) the industry body which ought be able to provide such info has been frustrated over the years to a point of total ineffectiveness with little to no information from government agencies that have assumed this role. Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.comTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/28/11 1:10 PM Subject: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies Friends, I am looking for studies (especially of success stories) of domestic ICT outsourcing. If anyone has pointers, please share. Many thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.comAgano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared to face ICT Security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info(a)aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstationÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦" - Anonymous-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: pkukubo(a)ict.go.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/pkukubo%40ict.go.ke

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Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies
by eonchari＠lynxbits.com 29 Mar '11

29 Mar '11

Matunda, To site a recent example, we had an invitation from BPeSA and other BPO stakeholders in SA sometime in 2009/10. In the invitation, Kenyan players in the sector (including students) were was to visit South Africa to learn from them how and why they have been so successful. The concerned government agency did not obviously see the value in this and we missed this grand opportunity. There have been many of such lost opportunities and I honestly believe there is too much rhetoric and little to no action. Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.comTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/29/11 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies Edwin, In the case of Kenya, I think the issues would be broader; it is the reason we are interested in success factors where this has happened. I imagine countries like the Philippines, India, South Africa, Egypt, etc can be good case studies; they coudl offer lessons for Kenya and others. Shukrani. From: "eonchari(a)lynxbits.com" To: mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 4:19:40 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies Matunda, there is zero documentation on domestic outsourcing for a couple of reasons; i)companies that engage in domestic ICT projects are not active in BPO forums and (ii) the industry body which ought be able to provide such info has been frustrated over the years to a point of total ineffectiveness with little to no information from government agencies that have assumed this role. Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.comTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/28/11 1:10 PM Subject: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies Friends, I am looking for studies (especially of success stories) of domestic ICT outsourcing. If anyone has pointers, please share. Many thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.comAgano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared to face ICT Security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info(a)aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstationÃ¢â‚¬Â¦" - Anonymous-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you.

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People's article on CCK change of guard
by Grace Githaiga 29 Mar '11

29 Mar '11

Listers Just in case you missed this article. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World!

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Kenya's MNP
by Michael Ouma 29 Mar '11

29 Mar '11

Kenya's MNP: http://tinyurl.com/4ssdw8b Michael Ouma Journalist Kenya Tel:+254-725-537823 "Do not go where the path may lead, but go instead where there is no path and leave a trail," - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies
by eonchari＠lynxbits.com 29 Mar '11

29 Mar '11

Matunda, there is zero documentation on domestic outsourcing for a couple of reasons; i)companies that engage in domestic ICT projects are not active in BPO forums and (ii) the industry body which ought be able to provide such info has been frustrated over the years to a point of total ineffectiveness with little to no information from government agencies that have assumed this role. Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.comTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/28/11 1:10 PM Subject: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies Friends, I am looking for studies (especially of success stories) of domestic ICT outsourcing. If anyone has pointers, please share. Many thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.comAgano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared to face ICT Security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info(a)aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstationâ€¦" - Anonymous-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you.

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Domestic Outsourcing Studies
by Matunda Nyanchama 29 Mar '11

29 Mar '11

Friends, I am looking for studies (especially of success stories) of domestic ICT outsourcing. If anyone has pointers, please share. Many thanks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared to face ICT Security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info(a)aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation…" - Anonymous ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you.

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Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies
by eonchari＠lynxbits.com 29 Mar '11

29 Mar '11

To the best of my recollection, there was an effort by the standards and ethics committee of the then vibrant KBPOCCS to set up a code of ethics for the industry- this was a precursor to growing the industry. The guidelines were launched by the society with a public commitment (monetary) at the KICC graced by Dr. Ndemo ; where government was to support the society on a quarterly basis. This support was withdrawn without notice and many other initiatives such as marketing have been frustrated by the KICTB many times in the past. I honestly do not see any degree of unpatriotism to pointing this out. Edwin ----- Original Message ----- From: bitange(a)jambo.co.keTo: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Sent: 3/29/11 5:16 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies It is unfortunate that one can make such disparaging statements against the Government. It the height of unpatriotism. Government has never frustrated any effort by anybody trying to organize local BPO sub-sector. I deal with so many people in the BPO associations and nobody has ever complained. Secondly you cannot force anyone to become a member of anything and certainly this is not a Government mandate. Matunda, there is a vibrant local BPO sub-sector mainly in insurane and Telcom sectors. Several organizations have outsourced their accounting operations. We have never classified this as back office or BPO. We have no statistics on this but in future we should be able to conduct some study since it is increasingly becoming important. Regards. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Date: 29 Mar 2011 08:19:40 To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> Cc: <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Domestic Outsourcing Studies _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: eonchari(a)lynxbits.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eonchari%40lynxbits.com

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MNP Q & A
by Collins Areba 29 Mar '11

29 Mar '11

First, sorry for cross posting. I feel that two days to this and still information is at best, scanty. 1: Is there a website where detailed information on this is available? 2: Does it cover CDMA? 3: How are phones "locked to the provider" going to behave once someone moves? 4: What are the rates, limitations? etc... -- *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy”* ~ Alex Carey ~ Tel No: 0x2af23696

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Terms of Reference to develop a MIS for Government of Mozambique
by Victor Gathara 29 Mar '11

29 Mar '11

How's your Portuguese? Please find attached a ToR (in Portuguese) for a specialist to help the Government of Mozambique develop a management information system for their current social cash transfer programme. We are looking for CVs or individuals or expressions of interest from qualified companies to provide this support. I am happy to receive CVs or EoIs direct or the contact details for people you would recommend. Please do circulate to your networks. Victor UK aid: Changing lives, delivering results. Find out more at: www.dfid.gov.uk/aidreviews

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Re: [kictanet] STAKEHOLDERS COMMENTS ON IANA FUNCTIONS-my comments
by McTim 29 Mar '11

29 Mar '11

HI Adam, Too late indeed, but could be helpful for KENIC in summarising the discussion, the central theme of which seemed to be reflected by ALACs text, which may be useful to KENIC: "Currently the approval process by the DoC of the US Government in respect of requests of change of root zone records is hardly consistent with the above- mentioned goals. It may be suggested that the DoC’s approval process be eliminated including but not limited to ccTLD request of change process." BTW, attendance was disappointingly sparse, despite the many Kenyans who have taken leadership roles in Internet Governance in recent years. <sigh> -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Adam Peake <ajp(a)glocom.ac.jp> wrote: > ICANN's At Large community, the group in ICANN expected to represent user > interests in all aspects of ICANN's work has written a statement covering > each of the six questions in the U.S. government's notice of inquiry: > > <https://community.icann.org/display/alacdocs/ALAC+Statement+on+the+US+Natio…> > > Apologies, this information is too late for this morning's meeting on the > IANA function, but hopefully useful. > > Best, > > Adam > > > > At 8:21 AM +0300 3/28/11, David Wambua wrote: >> >> McTim, >> >> Noted and thank you for your comments. >> >> Regards, >> ............................. >> David I. Wambua >> Ag. Chief Executive Officer, >> Kenya Network Information Centre (KeNIC), >> Box 1461 - 00606, Nairobi >> [E] david(a)kenic.or.ke >> [M] +254 733790073 >> [T] +254 20 2324686, 4450057/8 >> [F] 4450087 >> [W] www.kenic.or.ke >> >> >> >> >> dot KE for Every Name in Kenya! >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 26, 2011, at 5:04 PM, McTim wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> Wambua, >>> >>> I wont make it for the meeting but plse register my comment on the above >>> as follows: >>> >>> 1. No single government should have oversight powers over IANA >>> functions(core operational functions of the Internet). >>> >>> That's what the original White Paper said...it's just 20 years later >>> now. >>> >>> >>> NB: IANA functions are administrative, not operational. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2. It is therefore best that the US government relinquishes oversight >>> powers over the IANA function in a progressive manner i.e. by moving its >>> relationship with ICANN over IANA function from the current "Contractual" >>> agreement to a "Cooperation" agreement locally known as an MOA and >>> eventually an non-legal agreement sometimes known as an MoU >>> >>> that's what ICANN says too: >>> >>> >>> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/comments/110207099-1099-01/attachments/ACF2EF.pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> >>> McTim >>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A >>> route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel >>> >>> -- >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and >>> dangerous content by KeNIC MailScanner, and is >>> believed to be clean. >>> >>> Kenya Network Information Centre (KeNIC). >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> This message was sent to: david(a)kenic.or.ke >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/david%40kenic.or.ke >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by KeNIC MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> Kenya Network Information Center (KENIC) >> >> McTim, >> >> Noted and thank you for your comments. >> >> >> Regards, >> ............................. >> David I. Wambua >> Ag. Chief Executive Officer, >> Kenya Network Information Centre (KeNIC), >> Box 1461 - 00606, Nairobi >> [E] david<mailto:paul@kenic.or.ke>@kenic.or.ke >> [M] +254 733790073 >> [T] +254 20 2324686, 4450057/8 >> [F] 4450087 >> [W] <http://www.kenic.or.ke/>www.kenic.or.ke >> >> >> >> >> dot KE for Every Name in Kenya! >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 26, 2011, at 5:04 PM, McTim wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Walubengo J >>> <<mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com>jwalu(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> Wambua, >>> >>> I wont make it for the meeting but plse register my comment on the above >>> as follows: >>> >>> 1. No single government should have oversight powers over >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Assigned_Numbers_Authority>IANA >>> functions(core operational functions of the Internet). >>> >>> >>> That's what the original White Paper said...it's just 20 years later now. >>> >>> >>> NB: IANA functions are administrative, not operational. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2. It is therefore best that the US government relinquishes oversight >>> powers over the IANA function in a progressive manner i.e. by moving its >>> relationship with <http://www.icann.org/>ICANN over IANA function from the >>> current "Contractual" agreement to a "Cooperation" agreement locally known >>> as an <>MOA and eventually an non-legal agreement sometimes known as an >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorandum_of_understanding>MoU >>> >>> >>> that's what ICANN says too: >>> >>> >>> <http://www.ntia.doc.gov/comments/110207099-1099-01/attachments/ACF2EF.pdf>http://www.ntia.doc.gov/comments/110207099-1099-01/attachments/ACF2EF.pdf >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cheers, >>> >>> McTim >>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route >>> indicates how we get there." 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