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Re: [kictanet] Freedom of Information laws/ e- discussion continued
by Grace Githaiga 18 Oct '11

18 Oct '11

Harry The right is worded in a way that guarantees every citizen access to information held by the state - in most cases it is the state that holds certan infromation like on census or statistics. The State has a monopoly in some cases - for example commissions and Inquiries - which historically in Kenya, the state has at times witheld the findings of such commissions. The right extends to getting information held by another person, which is useful for a person to exercise his/her fundamental rights and freedoms. I am sure there are other views out there. Rgds Grace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you have the strength to survive, you have the power to succeed. Life is all about choices we make depending upon the situation we are in. Go forth and rule the World! From: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke To: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke CC: ggithaiga(a)hotmail.com Subject: RE: [kictanet] Freedom of Information laws/ e- discussion continued Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 10:10:31 +0300 Hey Grace & Kerubo, Thanks for your summary overview. I wonder aloud whether it should only be the state that maintains this monopoly over accessibility to basic information in as far as "Freedom of information" is concerned. Whereas state has the instruments it can use to either promote or curtail such freedoms, I suppose it would also be safe to say that in quite a number of instances, state might be deemed a "lame duck". How about a remote Island sequestered somewhere, about 200 miles off the shores of Lake Victoria with no basic access to communication? Would the populace there's lack thereof, of basic information access be considered an infringement on this fundamental right/liberty by the state...? Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Grace Githaiga Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 12:57 AM To: harry(a)comtelsys.co.ke Cc: kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke Subject: [kictanet] Freedom of Information laws/ e- discussion continued Thanks Harry Delano, Washington, Cleophas and Kerubo. Harry you raise a good question on what these terms mean and whether they are interchangeable. Washington, you make an important point about freedom of expression/speech not being absolute, and Cleophas affirms your point. Thanks Kerubo for the definitions. Yes, freedom of information simply means the freedom to get certain basic information held by the state, which can enable one to for example bring a case of human rights violation or any other cause. Freedom of expression can mean many things, say freedom to air your ideas, take a stand, artistic creativity--simply freedom to express how you feel. And of course as Washington and Cleophas rightly point out, all these freedoms are subject to limitations and therefore not carte blanche. In this case then: Is there conflict between laws on freedom of information and what citizens demand/require? Lets hear it from you. Rgds Grace

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Nairobi Water Hackathon
by Phares Kariuki 18 Oct '11

18 Oct '11

The Nairobi Water Hackathon will be held at the iHub this coming weekend. Software developers will try and solve some of the water problems Nairobi has that have a technology solution around them (e.g. Billing, complaints etc). See more details below... http://www.waterhackathon.org/water-problems-in-nairobi/ Thanks, -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 720 406 093 | E: pkariuki(a)gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares | B: http://www.kaboro.com/ |

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Free leading-edge ICT education opportunity at 2011 AITEC East Africa ICT Summit, Oshwal Centre, Nairobi, 2-3 November 2011
by Sean Moroney 15 Oct '11

15 Oct '11

Dear Colleagues, AITEC is pleased to invite all East African ICT professionals to attend this year's ICT Summit free of charge. As you can see from the attached programme, we have a line-up of unprecedented expertise in the conference programme, covering the three conference streams of Cloud Computing, Data Security and Mobile Applications. In addition, over 40 leading ICT suppliers will be showcasing their products and services in the Summit expo. If you would like to take up this opportunity, please register in advance for fast-track entry by registering online at www.aitecafrica.com or emailing your details to ictsummit(a)aitecafrica.com I look forward to meeting fellow listers at this top gathering of the region's ICT community. Yours sincerely, Sean Moroney Chairman AITEC Africa seanm(a)aitecafrica.com UK Tel: +44(0)1480-880774 UK Mobile: +44(0)7973-499224 Skype: <mailto:seanmoroneyseanm@aitecafrica.com> seanmoroney seanm(a)aitecafrica.com <http://www.aitecafrica.comfollow/> www.aitecafrica.com Follow us on twitter: <http://twitter.com/aitecafrica> http://twitter.com/aitecafrica Forthcoming Events: <http://www.aitecafrica.com/event/view/73> AITEC Mozambique ICT Congress <http://www.aitecafrica.com/event/view/72> AITEC East Africa ICT Summit <http://www.aitecafrica.com/event/view/74> AfriHealth <http://www.aitecafrica.com/event/view/76> Aitec Banking & Mobile Money Comesa InsureAFRICA <http://www.aitecafrica.com/event/view/68> AITEC Banking & Mobile Money West Africa <http://www.aitecafrica.com/event/view/71> Broadcast & Film Africa

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BEWARE FAKE CAR TRACKING EQUIPMENTS - Fwd: [Fwd: FW: I WAS CARJACKED BY A CAR TRACKING COMPANY...]
by Eric Kirimi 15 Oct '11

15 Oct '11

I got below mail from a friend and I thought you should be aware ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Michael Nderitu" <michael.nderitu(a)transebel.co.ke> To: "Abdon Wandeto" <awandeto(a)windsor.co.ke>, "karimi-Gates" <andrewkkarimi(a)yahoo.com>, "Antony nano" <antony.wainaina(a)yahoo.com>, "Antony nano" <antony.wainaina(a)yahoo.com>, "Dominic" <njorogedk(a)postbank.co.ke>, "Duncan" <ngugimainah(a)yahoo.com>, "Edna Ndeleko" <ENdeleko(a)realInsurance.co.ke>, "Eric Kirimi" <eric(a)ictinfrastructure.co.ke>, esther(a)alexanna.co.ke, "Evelyne Wagema" <evewags(a)yahoo.com>, lamornaaccounts(a)africaonline.co.ke, "Goddie" <goddienk03(a)yahoo.com>, "Jackie" <jackienyoks(a)gmail.com>, "jane" <jkmokua(a)gmail.com>, "Josiah Kariuki" <josiah.kariuki(a)gmail.com>, katewanjau(a)yahoo.com, jkkariuki(a)co-opbank.co.ke, "Lucas" <LOOngond(a)scj.com>, "Maina" <pmgathiru(a)yahoo.com>, "Munyi Nthigah" <felix(a)accesskenya.com>, "Naomi" <naomi2006mitei(a)yahoo.com>, "ndirangu mwangi" <ndirangu.mwangi(a)xrxtechnologies.co.ke>, "Raphael" <armaina1(a)yahoo.co.uk>, "Scola" <scholasticamuturi(a)yahoo.com>, "Stanley" <smwangi(a)ikm.co.ke>, "stephen muthoka" <stephen.muthoka(a)crownberger.co.ke>, "Thogori Karago" <thogori.karago(a)xrxtechnologies.co.ke>, "Wachira" <jwtheuri(a)yahoo.com>, "Wairimu" <popinyy(a)yahoo.com>, "Emily W. Waweru" <Emily.Waweru(a)equitybank.co.ke>, "Wambui Wainaina" <philliswambu(a)yahoo.com>, "winnie" <murengo(a)yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 9:09:12 AM Subject: FW: [Fwd: FW: I WAS CARJACKED BY A CAR TRACKING COMPANY...] Subject: FW: I WAS CARJACKED BY A CAR TRACKING COMPANY... beware! ------------------------------------------------- My name is Grace Gachoi I want to share an experience i had with thugs on 10/09/2011 It all begun on Saturday 10th. Me my husband mbugua and our baby girl decided to go and see our land that that we had bought at juja farm. The land is located 8 kilometers off the Thika super high way from juja. It was around 2pm and we stay at kikuyu. So we enter our white Toyota NZE which my husband bought a week before at a car yard along Ngong road Nairobi... let me take you back a bit to the day we bought the car... When we bought the car my husband who is so keen on security decided to go and install an alarm to chase away would be thieves. When we were there a man came and introduced himself as mwaura just after we had finalised the deal and advised us instead of putting the alarms we should instead install a tracking device on the vehicle. He further advised us that we should not go to the well established offices that they would charge high prices for the tracking device. We took his number and told him that we would get back to him as he was offering to install a tracking device at only 12,000/= shillings. He even gave us directions to where we can get him at Ngara. We decided to shop other companies to find out the truth and found out they charge 25000/= to 35000/= for the tracking device. We decided that since these companies were expensive we should go for Mwauras tracking devices as they offer more features. My husband called Mwaura the following day and decided to install a tracking device from him although he had no office and i guess no papers to do the work. We reached at Ngara where he installed a tracking device and showed my husband how to track using his phone he even accepted 6000/= as down payment the rest were to pay in 30 days. We were satisfied knowing that our car was safe and knew we had gotten the best bargain....ok back to our story we reached juja farm around 5.30 pm as we had stopped at a club called By pass in for some meat. We started viewing our land interviewing people to know the current value of our land. We were so happy as we had bought the land for 30,000/= in 2002 and now the land was valued at 350,000/=. We hadn't been here for some time so we stayed for some time. As we were viewing other pieces of land in the area my husband told me that some men who passed us looked familiar but we ignored. We finished our business and decided to head back home as it was getting late. We started our journey back home and as we were going thru that dirty road so as to join the high way our car suddenly stopped. We wondered why it happened as it was quarter tank and the car had been serviced. When it stopped my husband opened the bonnet to check what was wrong. On opening the bonnet the car with three men stopped besides us and pointed the gun to my husband. I was about to scream when all over sudden the second man pointed a knife at me. I kept quite and the two men ordered as in the car. One man used his phone to start the car and all of us drove off. I guess someone with the codes stopped the car. At the time i just held my baby close to me as one man was busy molesting me. My husband had been bundled in the boot. We drove for what seemed to be eternity to a secluded place where the thieves stopped. The thieves opened the bonnet and removed a tracking device right in front of my face. It's like they had all the information on the tracking gadget. They stripped us and one of the thugs tied us together and they went with our baby. This was after they raped me for a few minutes. We were left there for some time .my husband was unconscious by then as they had beaten him. We stayed there the whole night and in the morning a passerby rescued us. We were rushed to thika district hospital after which we ended up in Kenyatta as my husband had major injuries. I was the first to be discharged and started looking for our baby. Fortunately we found her at a police station abandoned having been brought by a Good Samaritan. My husband was discharged two weeks later, we are now recuperating. We went to the police station and on trying to reach mwaura his mteja all this time we have never found our car despite reporting to the police. The investigation are ongoing and cant divulge a lot of info now but What i have been told is that there is a cartel of thugs installing tracking devices in ngara and hurlingam, ngong road e.t.c. . What i can't understand is who is licensing people to start tracking as the other day my friend told me a colleague where she work buys tracking devices and install in people cars. I thought this is a security issue and the government should vet tracking companies. I was told they are supposed to be vetted by cck but who goes around checking. MWAURAS COMPANY WAS CALLED SIMBA TRACK does cck know of such a company or any security agency If any tom dick hurry can order units from china and install in our car how safe are we . This is a security issue and should be treated with the seriousness it deserves I BLAME THE GOVERMENT FOR NOT PROTECTING ME . I BLAME THE GOVERMENT FOR RAPING ME AND I BLAME THE GOVERMENT FOR LETTING THUGS DUISGUSE THEMSELF AND STEAL FROM US. Does it mean security business are not vetted and all this individuals should be known i.e banks HOPE NOBODY EVER SUFFER THIS FATE JUST BE CAREFUL WHICH COMPANY INSTALLS THE TRACKING UNITS OR OFFERS SECURIITY THEY MAY BE THE THIEVES I want answers and Kenyans need protection -- May the Living God prosper Hundred Fold SHG in this world and finally grant us to live with Him for eternity.

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Fw: IPv6 for Managers Workshop at AfriNIC 15!
by Walubengo J 15 Oct '11

15 Oct '11

This sounds good. Time for the Business Managers to get down with IPv6. The techies have had IPv6 for almost 10yrs now with little progress with regards to adoption rates...maybe if the Business side understands the issues, there might just be some progress. walu. Techies: plse forward to the business execs and ask them to come with you to AfriNIC 15. --- On Tue, 10/11/11, Babusha Radhakissoon <babusha(a)afrinic.net> wrote: From: Babusha Radhakissoon <babusha(a)afrinic.net> Subject: [afnog] IPv6 for Managers Workshop at AfriNIC 15! To: afnog(a)afnog.org Date: Tuesday, October 11, 2011, 11:14 AM Dear Colleagues, AfriNIC has the pleasure to inform you that a new IPv6 for Managers Workshop will be held during its forthcoming Public Policy Meeting, AfriNIC 15, to be held at the Hilton Hotel in Yaounde Cameroon, from the 19th to 25th November 2011. The workshop will be held on the 21st of November. The aim of this workshop is to: 1.Understand the implications of running out of available IPv4 address space 2. Understand the differences and similarities between IPv4 and IPv6 3. Understand the process of IPv6 deployment on a large scale 4. Understand best practices and discuss experiences and case studies Target Audience: - Regulators and Government Officials - Non - technical Managers Workshop Outline: 1. The Registry System 2. What is the difference between IPv4 and IPv6 3. IPv6 Address Basics 4. Strategic opportunities of IPv6 5. The road to IPv6 : Driving IPv6 adoption - At national/country level - At an enterprise level - At a small to medium company level 6. Managing the costs of IPv6 adoption 7. IPv6 planning priorities and dependencies 8. Aligning IPv6 with key initiatives, processes and projects 9. Case studies: Real Life IPv6 Deployment 10. Way forward Register for the workshop here: http://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-15/?q=content/ipv6-workshop Regards, The AfriNIC Meeting Team AfriNIC | 11th Floor ABC | Raffles Tower | Cybercity | Mauritius Tel: +230 403 5100 |Fax: +230 466 6758 ********************** Join us at AfriNIC-15 Cameroon, 19-25 November 2011 ********************** -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ afnog mailing list http://afnog.org/mailman/listinfo/afnog

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Name Your Price for High-Capacity Global Bandwidth
by McTim 14 Oct '11

14 Oct '11

http://www.buysellbandwidth.com/ May be useful for some. -- Cheers, McTim "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel

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FYI: World Press Trends: Newspapers Still Reach More Than Internet *
by james ratemo 13 Oct '11

13 Oct '11

Interesting revelations: World Press Trends: Newspapers Still Reach More Than Internet<http://kenyatech.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/world-press-trends-newspapers-sti…> Newspaper circulation declined in print world-wide last year but was more than made up by an increase in digital audiences, the World Association of Newspapers and News Publishers (WAN-IFRA) said Thursday in its annual update of world press trends. "Circulation is like the sun. It continues to rise in the East and decline in the West," said Christoph Riess, CEO of WAN-IFRA, who presented the annual survey Thursday at the World Newspaper Congress and World Editors Forum in Vienna, Austria. The survey found: Read more of this post<http://kenyatech.wordpress.com/2011/10/13/world-press-trends-newspapers-sti…> * <http://kenyatech.wordpress.com/author/jratemo/>* <http://wp.me/praTX-9F>

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Urban farming under irrigation
by robert yawe 13 Oct '11

13 Oct '11

Hi, Walking in Westlands yesterday I came across an ingenious person who was taping storm water to irrigate his patch of vegetables on the road side. Lead poisoning apart., its an industrious Kenyan. This reminded me of a project in Brazil where the poor living in highrise dwellings where encouraged to put up window ledge planters in which they planted tomatoes utilising the households waste water. The project reduced the the diseases caused by lack of vitamin C. The farming going on on this road side and the one recently publicised in the media in Ruai are a clear sign that Kenyans have the will and the drive all they need is to be enabled. Regards

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Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint
by Catherine Adeya 12 Oct '11

12 Oct '11

On the contrary Daktari. I am speaking from experience having taught, and then worked, with editing graduates. It is possible to work very very hard on something you are not sure about, or not comfortable with, and get the same result. I do agree that there are some jobs that if you work very hard and with the right attitude and achieve phenomenal results. However, Daktari it is not the same with editing. I have worked with a very studious young editor but he just did not have an eye for copy-editing as hard as he worked. I finally found the best position for him within the company where he wrote the initial articles (he did a great job by the way though mixed his tenses quite a bit& misused punctuation a lot). MJ had passion for what he did combined with hard work. This young man had the same but he just could not 'sing' (edit) like MJ even with a lot of practice. He tried so hard but he could not be the last eye in the editorial process. In the long run, everyone was happy. There is room for different levels of editors in the editorial process but we have to be careful in the hiring process to get those with the potential/capacity to fit in this process. Catherine On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 07:08 CEST bitange(a)jambo.co.ke wrote: >Catherine, >I think we are approaching this discussion the wrong way. If you have been employed to be an Editor, then be the best in the World. You simply have to take the job seriously. > >You need to watch Michael Jackson's "This is it" in order to understand what taking your job seriously mean. You will begin to understand why he was good. Similarly, we can have good editors. The Indians have succeeded in this yet we think we have better grasp of the language. > >There are good Editors out there but they are kept out of the job either because they do not know someone or have no money to bribe and get the job. Do we know how the hiring is done? For us to succeed we must first accept our inadequacies, our rotten habbits, our biases, our tribalist tendancies, our ... > >There is no sabstitute for hard work and transparency. If we embrace these simple rules, our publications will change over night. It is time we accept that governance issue for this country does not only affect the Government. We must get rid of it from our society. > >This is the root cause of our bad image in everything we do. > > >Ndemo. > > > > > > >Sent from my BlackBerry® > >-----Original Message----- >From: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider(a)yahoo.com> >Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:02:00 >To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> >Reply-To: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider(a)yahoo.com> >Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint > >_______________________________________________ >kictanet mailing list >kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke > >The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > >KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

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Re: [kictanet] Social Media
by Barrack Otieno 12 Oct '11

12 Oct '11

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*** IIBA - Kenya Chapter ***
by Kigunda Mbogo 12 Oct '11

12 Oct '11

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Kenya ICT Board releases shortlisted candidates for Tandaa Digital Content Grant
by Paul Kukubo 12 Oct '11

12 Oct '11

Dear Listers The review of the Tandaa Digital Content Grant is now over. We are proud to announce the shortlisted candidates. We received excellent projects this year and the consensus of the reviewers is that there is no shortage of good ideas in Kenya. We know that many applicants to the Tandaa Digital Content Grant will be disappointed when they do not see their name on the shortlist. We received over 700 proposals and had to narrow them down to just 150. It was a very difficult task for the reviewers. There are hundreds of excellent ideas submitted in responce to the Call for Proposals. http://www.ict.go.ke/index.php/component/content/article/74-books/384-short… The Kenya ICT Board congratulates all applicants for their effort and encourages all who applied to pursue their ideas with passion and determination. - See full list of shortlisted applicants<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=s7ex7gdab&et=1108063345975&s=2&e=00183IJRuTk-…> Training All shortlisted applicants are invited to a free business plan training at Strathmore Univeristy. Details on training and how to sign up will be sent by email directly to shortlisted applicants. Please look out for an email for us at the end of the week. Key Dates *Early Oct:* Shortlist announced *Mid-Oct:* Business plan training *End-Oct:* Submit Business Plan *Mid-Nov:* Finalists Announced *Stay connected!* [image: Follow us on Twitter]<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=s7ex7gdab&et=1108063345975&s=2&e=00183IJRuTk-…> @tandaaKenya [image: Find us on Facebook]<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=s7ex7gdab&et=1108063345975&s=2&e=00183IJRuTk-…> facebook.com/tandaaKenya [image: View our videos on YouTube]<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?llr=s7ex7gdab&et=1108063345975&s=2&e=00183IJRuTk-…> youtube.com/tandaakenya Join Our Mailing List!<http://visitor.r20.constantcontact.com/email.jsp?m=1102964298642> *Sincerely,* Paul Kukubo Chief Executive Officer, Kenya ICT Board PO Box 27150 - 00100 Nairobi, Kenya 12th Floor, Teleposta Towers Koinange Street Tel +254 20 2089061, +254 20 2211960 Fax: +254 20 2211962 website: www.ict.go.ke local content project: www.tandaa.co.ke, www.facebook.com/tandaakenya twitter:@kenyaictboard and @tandaaKENYA BPO Project: www. doitinkenya.co.ke Digital Villages Project: www.pasha.co.ke personal contacts _______________ personal blog: www.paulkukubo.co.ke personal twitter: @pkukubo facebook: facebook.com/pkukubo ____________________ Vision: Kenya becomes a top ten global ICT hub Mission: To champion and actively enable Kenya to adopt and exploit ICT, through promotion of partnerships, investments and infrastructure growth for socio economic enrichment

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Legalizing Phone Tapping in Kenya?
by Edith Adera 11 Oct '11

11 Oct '11

Listers, Many of us may have missed the front page news in the nation newspapers yesterday given the flurry of activities at the IGF. This idea poses many questions - is this the way to go? What are the implications? etc etc. Coming at the time when Kenya is hosting the IGF begs for a debate and deep reflection as a country. Can we have a public debate on this and inform the draft bill? The public hardly has the opportunity to debate bills that make their way to parliament (despite the new constitution enshrining this as a requirement - or is it a right?). I indeed hope this time it will be different given the over 20 million mobile users in Kenya - they have a stake in this. Look forward to reactions. Edith

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Interesting developement
by Barrack Otieno 11 Oct '11

11 Oct '11

Listers, Listening to Hope Fm a debate on Safaricom jamming the phone signal in prisons in Partnership with Kenya prisons, is this move legal if it is true or is it a roadside declaration? The intended benefit notwithstanding? Best regards -- Sent from my mobile device Barrack O. Otieno Afriregister Ltd (Kenya) www.afrire <http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi, www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com> <http://www.afriregister.com>ICANN accredited registrar +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno

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On Declining English grammar in our Newsprint
by Matunda Nyanchama 11 Oct '11

11 Oct '11

I am wondering whether there isn't a deeper problem of which shoddy editing work is a symptom. Can't we say the same of many other sectors? Dr Ndemo mentioned hiring practices and I wonder whether this isn't practiced almost across the board, including ICT. Our roads crumble almost as soon as they are built; and we have been training engineers since independence. Look at collapsing buildings. At least a misspelled word may not mean life and death. I could name many, many others like these. Yet we tolerate it; we still but newspapers with shoddy language; and the companies make money. What's the incentive for them to improve? Why pay costly editing services when you are making money anyway? And those roads: we still drive along them, mumbling and life goes on; and (indeed) we may even cheer those shoddy workers with loot coming from their short cuts! Kijana wa fulani ametengeneza pesa! As long as consumers tolerate shoddy work, shoddy work will be the order of the day. And the more this happens the lower our standards go! Baadaye ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Matunda Nyanchama, PhD, CISSP; mnyanchama(a)aganoconsulting.com Agano Consulting Inc.; www.aganoconsulting.com; Twitter: nmatunda; Skype: okiambe ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Be prepared to face ICT Security failures & know how to respond when they happen! Call: +1-888-587-1150 or info(a)aganoconsulting.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On my desk I have a workstation…" - Anonymous ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including attachments, may be privileged and may contain confidential or proprietary information intended only for the addressee(s). Any other distribution, copying, use, or disclosure is unauthorized and strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and permanently delete the message, including any attachments, without making a copy. Thank you.

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Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint
by Catherine Adeya 11 Oct '11

11 Oct '11

Aren't we over-generalizing a tard bit? Catherine On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:07 CEST godera(a)skyweb.co.ke wrote: > >Spot on Dr.Ndemo. I share your sentiments. There is just no more pride in doing >a good thorough job, irrespective of what job it is.Neither are many employers >picking the right person for the job! Values, values, values. That is all we >need to get back to. > >Gilda >Quoting bitange(a)jambo.co.ke: > >> Catherine, >> I think we are approaching this discussion the wrong way. If you have been >> employed to be an Editor, then be the best in the World. You simply have to >> take the job seriously. >> >> You need to watch Michael Jackson's "This is it" in order to understand what >> taking your job seriously mean. You will begin to understand why he was >> good. Similarly, we can have good editors. The Indians have succeeded in >> this yet we think we have better grasp of the language. >> >> There are good Editors out there but they are kept out of the job either >> because they do not know someone or have no money to bribe and get the job. >> Do we know how the hiring is done? For us to succeed we must first accept >> our inadequacies, our rotten habbits, our biases, our tribalist tendancies, >> our ... >> >> There is no sabstitute for hard work and transparency. If we embrace these >> simple rules, our publications will change over night. It is time we accept >> that governance issue for this country does not only affect the Government. >> We must get rid of it from our society. >> >> This is the root cause of our bad image in everything we do. >> >> >> Ndemo. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry® >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider(a)yahoo.com> >> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, >> 10 Oct 2011 09:02:00 >> To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> >> Reply-To: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider(a)yahoo.com> >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for >> people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. >> The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support >> of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online >> that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share >> knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, >> do not market your wares or qualifications. >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/godera%40skyweb.co.ke >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for >> people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. >> The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support >> of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online >> that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share >> knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, >> do not market your wares or qualifications. >> > > > > >------------------------------------------------- >This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > >_______________________________________________ >kictanet mailing list >kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/elizaslider%40yahoo.com > >The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > >KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

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Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint
by Catherine Adeya 11 Oct '11

11 Oct '11

On the contrary Daktari. I am speaking from experience having taught, and then worked, with editing graduates. It is possible to work very very hard on something you are not sure about, or not comfortable with, and get the same result. I do agree that there are some jobs that if you work very hard and with the right attitude and achieve phenomenal results. However, Daktari it is not the same with editing. I have worked with a very studious young editor but he just did not have an eye for copy-editing as hard as he worked. I finally found the best position for him within the company where he wrote the initial articles (he did a great job by the way though mixed his tenses quite a bit& misused punctuation a lot). MJ had passion for what he did combined with hard work. This young man had the same but he just could not 'sing' (edit) like MJ even with a lot of practice. He tried so hard but he could not be the last eye in the editorial process. In the long run, everyone was happy. There is room for different levels of editors in the editorial process but we have to be careful in the hiring process to get those with the potential/capacity to fit in this process. Catherine On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 07:08 CEST bitange(a)jambo.co.ke wrote: >Catherine, >I think we are approaching this discussion the wrong way. If you have been employed to be an Editor, then be the best in the World. You simply have to take the job seriously. > >You need to watch Michael Jackson's "This is it" in order to understand what taking your job seriously mean. You will begin to understand why he was good. Similarly, we can have good editors. The Indians have succeeded in this yet we think we have better grasp of the language. > >There are good Editors out there but they are kept out of the job either because they do not know someone or have no money to bribe and get the job. Do we know how the hiring is done? For us to succeed we must first accept our inadequacies, our rotten habbits, our biases, our tribalist tendancies, our ... > >There is no sabstitute for hard work and transparency. If we embrace these simple rules, our publications will change over night. It is time we accept that governance issue for this country does not only affect the Government. We must get rid of it from our society. > >This is the root cause of our bad image in everything we do. > > >Ndemo. > > > > > > >Sent from my BlackBerry® > >-----Original Message----- >From: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider(a)yahoo.com> >Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:02:00 >To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> >Reply-To: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider(a)yahoo.com> >Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint > >_______________________________________________ >kictanet mailing list >kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke > >The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > >KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

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Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint
by Catherine Adeya 11 Oct '11

11 Oct '11

On the contrary Daktari. I am speaking from experience having taught, and then worked, with editing graduates. It is possible to work very very hard on something you are not sure about, or not comfortable with, and get the same result. I do agree that there are some jobs that if you work very hard and with the right attitude and achieve phenomenal results. However, Daktari it is not the same with editing. I have worked with a very studious young editor but he just did not have an eye for copy-editing as hard as he worked. I finally found the best position for him within the company where he wrote the initial articles (he did a great job by the way though mixed his tenses quite a bit& misused punctuation a lot). MJ had passion for what he did combined with hard work. This young man had the same but he just could not 'sing' (edit) like MJ even with a lot of practice. He tried so hard but he could not be the last eye in the editorial process. In the long run, everyone was happy. There is room for different levels of editors in the editorial process but we have to be careful in the hiring process to get those with the potential/capacity to fit in this process. Catherine On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 07:08 CEST bitange(a)jambo.co.ke wrote: >Catherine, >I think we are approaching this discussion the wrong way. If you have been employed to be an Editor, then be the best in the World. You simply have to take the job seriously. > >You need to watch Michael Jackson's "This is it" in order to understand what taking your job seriously mean. You will begin to understand why he was good. Similarly, we can have good editors. The Indians have succeeded in this yet we think we have better grasp of the language. > >There are good Editors out there but they are kept out of the job either because they do not know someone or have no money to bribe and get the job. Do we know how the hiring is done? For us to succeed we must first accept our inadequacies, our rotten habbits, our biases, our tribalist tendancies, our ... > >There is no sabstitute for hard work and transparency. If we embrace these simple rules, our publications will change over night. It is time we accept that governance issue for this country does not only affect the Government. We must get rid of it from our society. > >This is the root cause of our bad image in everything we do. > > >Ndemo. > > > > > > >Sent from my BlackBerry® > >-----Original Message----- >From: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider(a)yahoo.com> >Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:02:00 >To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> >Reply-To: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider(a)yahoo.com> >Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint > >_______________________________________________ >kictanet mailing list >kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke > >The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > >KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

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Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint
by Catherine Adeya 11 Oct '11

11 Oct '11

On the contrary Daktari. I am speaking from experience having taught, and then worked, with editing graduates. It is possible to work very very hard on something you are not sure about, or not comfortable with, and get the same result. I do agree that there are some jobs that if you work very hard and with the right attitude and achieve phenomenal results. However, Daktari it is not the same with editing. I have worked with a very studious young editor but he just did not have an eye for copy-editing as hard as he worked. I finally found the best position for him within the company where he wrote the initial articles (he did a great job by the way though mixed his tenses quite a bit& misused punctuation a lot). MJ had passion for what he did combined with hard work. This young man had the same but he just could not 'sing' (edit) like MJ even with a lot of practice. He tried so hard but he could not be the last eye in the editorial process. In the long run, everyone was happy. There is room for different levels of editors in the editorial process but we have to be careful in the hiring process to get those with the potential/capacity to fit in this process. Catherine On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 07:08 CEST bitange(a)jambo.co.ke wrote: >Catherine, >I think we are approaching this discussion the wrong way. If you have been employed to be an Editor, then be the best in the World. You simply have to take the job seriously. > >You need to watch Michael Jackson's "This is it" in order to understand what taking your job seriously mean. You will begin to understand why he was good. Similarly, we can have good editors. The Indians have succeeded in this yet we think we have better grasp of the language. > >There are good Editors out there but they are kept out of the job either because they do not know someone or have no money to bribe and get the job. Do we know how the hiring is done? For us to succeed we must first accept our inadequacies, our rotten habbits, our biases, our tribalist tendancies, our ... > >There is no sabstitute for hard work and transparency. If we embrace these simple rules, our publications will change over night. It is time we accept that governance issue for this country does not only affect the Government. We must get rid of it from our society. > >This is the root cause of our bad image in everything we do. > > >Ndemo. > > > > > > >Sent from my BlackBerry® > >-----Original Message----- >From: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider(a)yahoo.com> >Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:02:00 >To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> >Reply-To: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider(a)yahoo.com> >Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint > >_______________________________________________ >kictanet mailing list >kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke > >The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > >KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

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Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint
by Catherine Adeya 11 Oct '11

11 Oct '11

On the contrary Daktari. I am speaking from experience having taught, and then worked, with editing graduates. It is possible to work very very hard on something you are not sure about, or not comfortable with, and get the same result. I do agree that there are some jobs that if you work very hard and with the right attitude and achieve phenomenal results. However, Daktari it is not the same with editing. I have worked with a very studious young editor but he just did not have an eye for copy-editing as hard as he worked. I finally found the best position for him within the company where he wrote the initial articles (he did a great job by the way though mixed his tenses quite a bit& misused punctuation a lot). MJ had passion for what he did combined with hard work. This young man had the same but he just could not 'sing' (edit) like MJ even with a lot of practice. He tried so hard but he could not be the last eye in the editorial process. In the long run, everyone was happy. There is room for different levels of editors in the editorial process but we have to be careful in the hiring process to get those with the potential/capacity to fit in this process. Catherine On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 07:08 CEST bitange(a)jambo.co.ke wrote: >Catherine, >I think we are approaching this discussion the wrong way. If you have been employed to be an Editor, then be the best in the World. You simply have to take the job seriously. > >You need to watch Michael Jackson's "This is it" in order to understand what taking your job seriously mean. You will begin to understand why he was good. Similarly, we can have good editors. The Indians have succeeded in this yet we think we have better grasp of the language. > >There are good Editors out there but they are kept out of the job either because they do not know someone or have no money to bribe and get the job. Do we know how the hiring is done? For us to succeed we must first accept our inadequacies, our rotten habbits, our biases, our tribalist tendancies, our ... > >There is no sabstitute for hard work and transparency. If we embrace these simple rules, our publications will change over night. It is time we accept that governance issue for this country does not only affect the Government. We must get rid of it from our society. > >This is the root cause of our bad image in everything we do. > > >Ndemo. > > > > > > >Sent from my BlackBerry® > >-----Original Message----- >From: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider(a)yahoo.com> >Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:02:00 >To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> >Reply-To: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider(a)yahoo.com> >Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint > >_______________________________________________ >kictanet mailing list >kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke > >The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > >KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

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Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint
by Catherine Adeya 11 Oct '11

11 Oct '11

On the contrary Daktari. I am speaking from experience having taught, and then worked, with editing graduates. It is possible to work very very hard on something you are not sure about, or not comfortable with, and get the same result. I do agree that there are some jobs that if you work very hard and with the right attitude and achieve phenomenal results. However, Daktari it is not the same with editing. I have worked with a very studious young editor but he just did not have an eye for copy-editing as hard as he worked. I finally found the best position for him within the company where he wrote the initial articles (he did a great job by the way though mixed his tenses quite a bit& misused punctuation a lot). MJ had passion for what he did combined with hard work. This young man had the same but he just could not 'sing' (edit) like MJ even with a lot of practice. He tried so hard but he could not be the last eye in the editorial process. In the long run, everyone was happy. There is room for different levels of editors in the editorial process but we have to be careful in the hiring process to get those with the potential/capacity to fit in this process. Catherine On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 07:08 CEST bitange(a)jambo.co.ke wrote: >Catherine, >I think we are approaching this discussion the wrong way. If you have been employed to be an Editor, then be the best in the World. You simply have to take the job seriously. > >You need to watch Michael Jackson's "This is it" in order to understand what taking your job seriously mean. You will begin to understand why he was good. Similarly, we can have good editors. The Indians have succeeded in this yet we think we have better grasp of the language. > >There are good Editors out there but they are kept out of the job either because they do not know someone or have no money to bribe and get the job. Do we know how the hiring is done? For us to succeed we must first accept our inadequacies, our rotten habbits, our biases, our tribalist tendancies, our ... > >There is no sabstitute for hard work and transparency. If we embrace these simple rules, our publications will change over night. It is time we accept that governance issue for this country does not only affect the Government. We must get rid of it from our society. > >This is the root cause of our bad image in everything we do. > > >Ndemo. > > > > > > >Sent from my BlackBerry® > >-----Original Message----- >From: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider(a)yahoo.com> >Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:02:00 >To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> >Reply-To: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider(a)yahoo.com> >Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint > >_______________________________________________ >kictanet mailing list >kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke > >The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. > >KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications.

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by robert yawe 11 Oct '11

11 Oct '11

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Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint
by william janak 11 Oct '11

11 Oct '11

Gaitho, I also agree that some of those who grumble may not have the requisite qualifications. Some are also afraid to apply for jobs. But it is also true some are good but have not got jobs in the local media industry. Oloo Janak ________________________________ From: Macharia Gaitho <mgaitho(a)ke.nationmedia.com> To: william janak <williamjanak(a)yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:12 AM Subject: RE: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint Good people, I really get disturbed with all these blanket statements about good editors unable to get jobs “because they do not know someone or have no money to bribe” as good Dr Ndemo puts it. Some of us spend ages trying to get the best people available, but they are hard to get. This market is critically short of good sub-editors, and I’m quite sure no one with the required skills would miss a position at any of the main media houses. All too often it is the mediocre who forever complain that they cannot get jobs because they do not know the right person, are not from the right tribe, or do not have money to bribe This morning I watched a TV talk show featuring assistant minister for Youth Wavinya Ndeti. One of the callers was grumbling that he has a degree in IT, but the only jobs available through the ‘Kazi kwa Vijana’ programme was digging trenches. An IT graduate is looking at Kazi kwa Vijana? He does not know what his peers, young Kenyans, are doing developing programmes and applications and creating jobs? These must be the kind of fellows who forever grumble about discrimination and corruption in the job market, but show no initiative on how they can apply their training and skills to create their own jobs. Or maybe they are just so useless no one will employ them in the first place. From:kictanet-bounces+mgaitho=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+mgaitho=nation.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of william janak Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:54 AM To: Macharia Gaitho Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint I want to agree with Dr. Ndemo. Taking work seriously is important. Again, certainly, there are many good, top notch editors, who have no chance of being hired locally because of all the considerations we know. I know a friend of mine in Rwanda who is in the process of poaching/engaging some of them and I will actively help some of our colleagues to lin up with him and other openings in the region if they are not appreciated at home. There are many people who take language casually. It requires sustained improvement to master the language-English or any other. Oloo Janak. From:"bitange(a)jambo.co.ke" <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> To: williamjanak(a)yahoo.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint Catherine, I think we are approaching this discussion the wrong way. If you have been employed to be an Editor, then be the best in the World. You simply have to take the job seriously. You need to watch Michael Jackson's "This is it" in order to understand what taking your job seriously mean. You will begin to understand why he was good. Similarly, we can have good editors. The Indians have succeeded in this yet we think we have better grasp of the language. There are good Editors out there but they are kept out of the job either because they do not know someone or have no money to bribe and get the job. Do we know how the hiring is done? For us to succeed we must first accept our inadequacies, our rotten habbits, our biases, our tribalist tendancies, our ... There is no sabstitute for hard work and transparency. If we embrace these simple rules, our publications will change over night. It is time we accept that governance issue for this country does not only affect the Government. We must get rid of it from our society. This is the root cause of our bad image in everything we do. Ndemo. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider(a)yahoo.com> Sender: kictanet-bounces+bitange=jambo.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.keDate: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 09:02:00 To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> Reply-To: Catherine Adeya <elizaslider(a)yahoo.com> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/williamjanak%40yahoo.c… The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this e-mail is intended for the use of the stated recipient only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Any views or opinions presented herein are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Nation Media Group. 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Re: [kictanet] Declining English grammar in our Newsprint
by Isaac Mutunga 11 Oct '11

11 Oct '11

The decline of the quality of print journalism has been on a downward decline for the last couple of years. But the current free fall in terms of grammar and quality of stories is worrying. In my opinion there are several causes but the major one is the management. When the IT sector experienced the dot.com bubble bust in late 90s and early 2000, it did not compromise on the quality but instead it raised the standards and the results are the fruits we are reaping. The same applies to print media, poor quality journalism will kill it. The social media has eroded the advertising base of the news papers leading to downsizing and reorganization of the print industry. This means there are very few journalist and even fewer copy editors. Interns are given important beats without adequate supervision resulting to invasion of privacy, libel and plagiarism. Not all interns are do this but it is better to be cautious when giving them assignments. The issue of cronysim and tribalism is rampant in media recruitment and promotion. Due to this practice some senior editors who are supposed to be gate keepers are merely gate watchers because they do not have the skills to filter out the chaff before the copy is printed. Other times the pull of the advertsers' shilling is stronger than ethical consideration and PR materials are passed on as business news. The remedy for this may be what KICTAnet is doing-providing a fora to discuss the performance of the print media.But there is need to name and shame specific dailies like Makali's Bulletin does giving fortnightly assessment of media performance. May be the Media council could consider setting up an office of ombudsman to help the media in Kenya to engage with the audience constructively. It can be set within the media complaints committee and may be each media house can nominate a member. Chaacha Mwita's book, ,Citizen Power: A Different Kind of Politics, A Different Kind of Journalism, in my opinion aptly captures the point when the rain started beating on the bare back of the print media

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Is Google.co.ke down?
by robert yawe 11 Oct '11

11 Oct '11

Hi, I am having problems searching using the google.co.ke address but all is working fine with the .com site just need to know if anyone else out there is having the same problem before I call my provider? Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 Kenya Tel: +254722511225, +254202010696

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