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Suggestion for Academic Trips (Coastal Region)...
by Michael Kipsang Bullut 14 Feb '08

14 Feb '08

Greetings, I need your help. My colleagues and I are undertaking our final semester in campus and our course requirements recommend that we go for an academic trip. The destination isn't confined to any specific area and this year we'll be visiting the coastal region to study the I.T. infrastructure in place. My request is whether you're acquainted with any organizations that have established I.T. departments or a colleague/associate who's conscious of the same. Feel free to pass on my e-mail address (the one given below) to any organization that doesn't mind in being paid a visit by final year I.T. students. You can also furnish me with their contacts so that I can get in touch with them directly. Thank you and looking forward to hearing from you. Warm regards, Michael. P.S. Please get in touch with me through: kipsangb(a)iconnect.co.ke -- "To see a world in a grain of sand, and a heaven in a wildflower...hold infinity in the palm of your hand, and eternity in an hour..." ~ William Blakeg. --

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Fw: Auditing the Media
by Florence Etta 14 Feb '08

14 Feb '08

Hi all, I have been following this very interesting debate. Harry says in response to David that:- neither the Government nor the Media Council should do this audit. David had suggested:- 'Our suggestion remains, let MCK do the audit, otherwise we'll be accused of creating institutions just to kill them'. In my humble opinion there could be two or even more audits but at least one would NEED to be commissioned but not necessarily done by the MCK. If it is commissioined by the MCK with government backing (and conducted as Harry suggests by independent and credible researchers/professionals) this presupposes that it (the audit) will recieve its (MCK) complete and unalloyed support so that the findings and possibly recommendations, when they do come out, would hopefully get fair reception and possibly use. It is possible also even for KICTANET on behalf of the ICT community to seek support to commission an audit as well. This one could be stilted towards handhelds so that the full extent of the implication and use of these tools could be attempted and future scenarios constructed for the preservation and maintenance of both individual and collective rights and public order using these tools. Cheers, FE Florence Etta PhD P.O. Box 14285,00800 Westlands-Nairobi, Kenya Tel: Mobile + 254-733-621851 Terrestrial: + 254-20-7121506 Fax/Phone: + 254-20-7125723 Alternative Email:florence.etta@gmail.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Harry Hare <harry(a)africanedevelopment.org> To: florence.etta(a)gmail.com Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Wednesday, 13 February, 2008 4:49:43 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fibre Optic Cables David, neither the Government nor the Media Council should do this audit. It should be done by an independent research organization. The media council just like the ECK and other institutions have been too politicized to be objective and credible. Regards Harry African eDevelopment Resource Centre 3rd Floor, Nelleon Place Raphta Road, Westlands PO Box 49475 00100 Nairobi, Kenya Cel +254 725 650044 Land +254 20 4453445 www.africanedevelopment.org *********************************************************** February 2008 Capacity Building Opportunities VSAT Field Engineering: 5-8 Records Management: 13-15 Fiber Optics: 26-29 Book Now, Limited spaces available From: kictanet-bounces+harry=africanedevelopment.org(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=africanedevelopment.org@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of David Aduda Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 10:44 AM To: harry(a)africanedevelopment.org Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fibre Optic Cables Dear colleagues, Having followed the debate on the media audit, I'm convinced there is consensus that it's important that we review how the media handled the elections, before, during and after. That is perfectly in order. What's alarming is the insistence that the government should do it, whereas there is an organisation, the Media Council, whose mandate includes checking how the media operates with a view to protect the producers and consumers of news.We've expressed our views as media practitioners about our disdain for a governmental audit and Dr Bitange knows about that. Our suggestion remains, let MCK do the audit, otherwise we'll be accused of creating institutions just to kill them. But it must be noted vilifying the media won't do when all of us know where the problem lies. It's human to take an easy route out of a crisis. The ministry of Information and Communications must not fall into that trap. Finally, I associate myself with a view expressed earlier by one contributor, namely, moderation in this discourse. David Aduda Nation Media Group ---------- From: kictanet-bounces+daduda=nation.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke on behalf of bitange(a)jambo.co.ke Reply To: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:36 PM To: David Aduda Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fibre Optic Cables We are working towards that. We need private sector to push these developments. Government is not good in business. We can only intervene to facilitate especially the small enterprises. Ndemo Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Eric Osiakwan" <eric(a)afrispa.org> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:22:38 To:bitange@jambo.co.ke Cc:KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fibre Optic Cables Nothing against all the big guns establishing in Kenya but what about a long term objective of building our own version of Akamai,googles, Limelights etc. Dont forget the real winners in the knowledge era are those who produce their own not use others. So our long term objective should be to have our own alongside others because it is a free market economy. Eric here ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Michuki Mwangi <michuki(a)swiftkenya.com> Reply-To: michuki(a)swiftkenya.com Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:14:04 +0300 > > >bitange(a)jambo.co.ke wrote: >> Good news is that Etisalat (our partners in Teams) in conjunction with >> Akamai are building an Internet Point of Presence (POP) in Fujaira thus >> eliminating long distance needs for Internet in this region. > >The long term objective should be to have the likes of Akamai, Limelight >and google collocating their nodes in Kenya . This will essentially keep >at least 50% of our Internet traffic local. > >Regards, > >Michuki. > >_______________________________________________ >kictanet mailing list >kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >This message was sent to: eric(a)afrispa.org >Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eric%40afrispa.org > -- Eric M.K Osiakwan Executive Secretary AfrISPA (www.afrispa.org) Tel: + 233.21.258800 Fax: + 233.21.258811 Cell: + 233.244.386792 Handle: eosiakwan Snail Mail: Pmb 208, Accra-North Office: BusyInternet - 42 Ring Road Central, Accra-North Blog: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/eric/ Slang: "Tomorrow Now" -- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world" _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: daduda(a)nation.co.ke Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/daduda%40nation.co.ke DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this e-mail is intended for the use of the stated recipient only. 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[Fwd: [Fibre-for-africa] Keeping it all straight]
by alice 14 Feb '08

14 Feb '08

Dear all FYI -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Fibre-for-africa] Keeping it all straight Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 13:40:25 +0200 From: Steve Song <ssong.lists(a)gmail.com> Reply-To: APC - Private list for use by EASSY Workshop Participants <fibre-for-africa(a)lists.apc.org> To: fibre-for-africa(a)lists.apc.org Greetings, In the wake of the cable cuts, few would argue that there are too many African cable initiatives but there certainly enough to make it difficult to keep it all straight. I created a short page listing the various cables and their key investors at http://manypossibilities.net/2008/02/african-undersea-cables/ and a map of some of the initiatives at http://manypossibilities.net/2008/02/african-undersea-cables-map/ If anyone has maps or even rough diagrams of Uhurunet or Infraco's initiatives, I would be grateful to be able to add it to the map. Also, if anyone can point me to more information on Flag's Next Generation Network (NGN) or the Main One initiative, I would be very interested to hear about it. Thanks... Steve P.S. I see today that VSNL (now rebranded as Tata Communications) have announced a 50 million dollar investment in Seacom (http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=146025) Only two weeks ago, there was news announcing their investment in EASSy (http://www.telecomtiger.com/fullstory.aspx?storyid=527) In the wake of flagging profits, they are obviously betting a lot on Africa. _______________________________________________ Fibre-for-africa mailing list Fibre-for-africa(a)lists.apc.org http://lists.apc.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fibre-for-africa

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Re: [kictanet] Develop the LOCAL Outsourcing Market
by Kwach 14 Feb '08

14 Feb '08

Fellow Contributors, Firstly I am impressed by the contributions that have been made in this discussion forum and I must commend Marcel for kicking off this timely discussion in the first place. Kenya is a beautiful country with a determined and hard working people. If there is one thing we Kenyans ask is an equal opportunity and we shall excel. If you talk to any economist they will tell you that the future is in the service industry more so for a country like Kenya that is neither gifted in mineral riches nor expansive arable land (Kenya is primarily 70% desert however with the remaining 30% we are able to become one of the global leaders in floriculture and tea production). The sad thing is that the world markets have changed and become increasingly competitive. Service industries worldwide more so in the IT Outsourcing space compete very aggressively for the market opportunities that present themselves. And those opportunities that have already been bagged are protected jealously. Unfortunately when it comes to the IT industry the trend that is emerging is not pretty. Blue chip companies, government departments and parastatals have for a while adopted a strategy that has not been conducive in nurturing this industry. The sad thing is where they seem to have a silent conspiracy in only seeking international players for the major IT projects. Talk of Chinese Government IT Loans/Grants complete with planeloads of Chinese Engineers and technicians who swarm in and out without passing on any skills leaving us with pretty much mis-directed/unused investment once the project is implemented aren't misplaced. Almost all of these institutions continue running non-core back office activities that should be outsourced. The "smarter" ones that should outsource are sure take their business offshore. Yes this is true. It is an open secret that if you were to pick up a phone in EABL, the pride of Kenyan Manufacturing, and dialed IT help desk you would end up talking to a person sitting in Bangalore India. It's not that I have anything against the good people of Bangalore, my issue is that by farming out this work to Bangalore and not giving local companies a chance to undertake the work locally we are actually exporting jobs. We are taking jobs that were previously there and shipping them to India. The very least Mr. Gerald Mahinda should have done was to engage local entities to carry out this work and require them to partner with international firms to so as to ensure that the necessary skills are brought to this market. A very good example of this is the proposed IPO for Safaricom, some of the world's leading investment banks partnered entered into consortiums led by local entities to carry out the investment advisory work. It took a concerted government policy to ensure that this happened; otherwise local Investment Banks would have had no chance in the world to win that work. The Kenya BPO & Contact Centre Society (KBPOCCS) says very little about growing local BPO outsource work. Is this not on your agenda? It seems that we are focussing (hastily) more on closing international outsource work even before you build and deepen your local capabilities and capacity, not forgetting experience. Do you also think that it is feasible/advisable to only depend on work from off-shore, when we know of the many other challenges that we face e.g. bandwidth availability and even when available, the quality of this bandwidth? Fortunately not all is lost, one major player (Safaricom) announced plans sometime mid-last year thereabouts to outsource part of their customer care. Has the KPPOCCS motivated for this work to be awarded to a local service provider OR are we going to see this work being awarded to an off-shore operation? Did they ever award this work? Safaricom made a clear indication that it is interested in engaging local entities to carry out this work. However given that this process has gone quiet I pray they have not sold us down the river and awarded the business to some Indian or Philipino or even South African company. My point is the international clients we are trying to woe into farming out their work to Kenya will check us out thoroughly and if they see that the big players in this market are not giving their business to their fellow Kenyans why should they? Similarly, Barclays Bank is another major player where the CEO is on record for declaring he was looking to establishing a large Contact Center in Kenya which could serve other Barclays operations across the globe (I think he said something like up to a 10,000 Seat contact center would be established! Can you imagine that? No one knows whether he was misquoted). He lamented the poor telecommunications infrastructure and our unpreparedness (probably skills, technology, work ethic, culture etc -wise) for such work. I think that the best strategy to adopt is for KPPOCCS in conjunction with the Kenya ICT Board and the Ministry of ICT to lobby hard for these kinds of declared outsource opportunities and bring them to fruition. Neglecting local outsource opportunities is like giving these potential outsourcers a "carte blanche" option to look externally for service providers. This way, many potential jobs are lost not forgetting the foreign exchange that is exported with the jobs! I read in the newspapers yesterday that the "World Bank has released funds to support Kenyan Call Centres". The entire article was based on mostly subsidising the cost of international bandwidth. In effect the money being lent to us for this is all being remitted out to bandwidth providers who in a way put a premium to the bandwidth that they supply us. Isn't this money better utilised now to actually help "incubate" the budding BPO/Contact Center businesses by strengthening their skill capabilities, technology capacities, etc.with seed capital. It is clear that only the few established players and those yet to establish but with deep pockets to set up big, will reap the benefits of this bandwidth subsidy. These are the reasons that I will throw the gauntlet to the Honorable Minister Samuel Poghisio, Bwana PS Dr. Ndemo, CEO of ICTBoard Mr. Paul Kukubo etc, please be vigilant, do not rest. Fight for this fledgling industry, there are many low lying fruits such as Call centers for organizations such as Safaricom, Kenya Police, GoK etc which you can lobby and encourage to be outsourced to local entities that will give the local industry the critical mass that will enable it grow and compete very well in the international arena. I rest my passionate plea! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Akich D. Kwach Director - Research & Operations ARCHWAY Technology Mobile:+254 722 742155 Tel: +254 20 4778026 e-mail: <mailto:kwach@archway-productions.com> kwach(a)archway-productions.com www.archway-productions.com <http://www.archway-productions.com/> *** Market & Social Research for Development ***

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Media
by bitange＠jambo.co.ke 14 Feb '08

14 Feb '08

Dear David, Thank you for supporting the baseline review of Media. The purpose of the study is to provide baseline data to improve on our media policy. You must admit that this is the first time in the history of this country that the Government is consulting stakeholders on its intentions to improve the sector. We have involved Media Council from day one. It is the MC that would provide the sectretarial services. It is the Media Council that would recommend names to the task force. It is the Media Council that we are using as a bridge to improve the conditions of journalists in this country. We need an objective study that is done by independent minded Kenyans. It is not prudent however to have current employees of media houses to serve in the task force. Unfortunately, most members of the MC fall in that category. That leaves us with Media Academics,special interest groups, retired media personalities to do the study. There is nothing in our sleeves against media and I think by now you should have known that we are only interested in developing a vibrant Media in this country. The study is important because we feel that there are multiple reasons why Media behaved the way they did. We cannot simply blame Tribalism. We have all gone to school and know very well know that Journalists were taking bribes. From many studies in media, we can speculate on reasons why they were easily bribed as mainly poor pay. Bribes cloud objectivity and eventually what we see is nothing but incitement. There are more other factors that we need the task force to establish. We have sent the TOR for the study to MC and I think it is upon them now to consult the wider stakeholder before we move forward. It is our responsibility to ensure that we do not repeat the mistakes we have made again. From the policy perspective, the study is a must if we have to address the problems in the Media. We need to make informed decisions. Bitange Ndemo. > Dear colleagues, > > Having followed the debate on the media audit, I'm convinced there is > consensus that it's important that we review how the media handled the > elections, before, during and after. That is perfectly in order. What's > alarming is the insistence that the government should do it, whereas there > is an organisation, the Media Council, whose mandate includes checking how > the media operates with a view to protect the%2 ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world"

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Re: [kictanet] Develop the LOCAL Outsourcing Market
by bitange＠jambo.co.ke 14 Feb '08

14 Feb '08

Dear Kwach, Thanks for your thoughts. Fortunately, we have been thinking along the same lines. There are a number of locally outsourced jobs that ICT board need to develop. We have the leads and already started working towards realizing our objectives. Digitalization of Government records starts soon. This too shall boost local outsourcing. I am pretty sure that all the infrastructure projects will be complete by next year. Our challenge is to develop entrepreneurs. We have opportnumites especially in developing local content but this is not being exploited. It is ipmperative that we work towards developing especially youth to take advantage of these opportnities. Ndemo. > Fellow Contributors, > > > > Firstly I am impressed by the contributions that have been made in this > discussion forum and I must commend Marcel for kicking off this timely > discussion in the first place. Kenya is a beautiful country with a > determined and hard working people. If there is one thing we Kenyans ask > is > an equal opportunity and we shall excel. If you talk to any economist they > will tell you that the future is in the service industry more so for a > country like Kenya that is neither gifted in mineral riches nor expansive > arable land (Kenya is primarily 70% desert however with the remaining 30% > we > are able to become one of the global leaders in floriculture and tea > production). The sad thing is that the world markets have changed and > become increasingly competitive. Service industries worldwide more so in > the > IT Outsourcing space compete very aggressively for the market > opportunities > that present themselves. And those opportunities that have already been > bagged are protected jealously. > > > > Unfortunately when it comes to the IT industry the trend that is emerging > is > not pretty. Blue chip companies, government departments and parastatals > have > for a while adopted a strategy that has not been conducive in nurturing > this > industry. The sad thing is where they seem to have a silent conspiracy in > only seeking international players for the major IT projects. Talk of > Chinese Government IT Loans/Grants complete with planeloads of Chinese > Engineers and technicians who swarm in and out without passing on any > skills > leaving us with pretty much mis-directed/unused investment once the > project > is implemen ---------------------------------------------- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --------------------------------------------- "easy access to the world"

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Re: [kictanet] Fibre Optic Cables
by David Aduda 13 Feb '08

13 Feb '08

Dear colleagues, Having followed the debate on the media audit, I'm convinced there is consensus that it's important that we review how the media handled the elections, before, during and after. That is perfectly in order. What's alarming is the insistence that the government should do it, whereas there is an organisation, the Media Council, whose mandate includes checking how the media operates with a view to protect the producers and consumers of news.We've expressed our views as media practitioners about our disdain for a governmental audit and Dr Bitange knows about that. Our suggestion remains, let MCK do the audit, otherwise we'll be accused of creating institutions just to kill them. But it must be noted vilifying the media won't do when all of us know where the problem lies. It's human to take an easy route out of a crisis. The ministry of Information and Communications must not fall into that trap. Finally, I associate myself with a view expressed earlier by one contributor, namely, moderation in this discourse. David Aduda Nation Media Group > ---------- > From: kictanet-bounces+daduda=nation.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke on behalf of bitange(a)jambo.co.ke > Reply To: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 5:36 PM > To: David Aduda > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fibre Optic Cables > > We are working towards that. We need private sector to push these developments. Government is not good in business. We can only intervene to facilitate especially the small enterprises. > > Ndemo > > > Sent from my BlackBerry® > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Eric Osiakwan" <eric(a)afrispa.org> > > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:22:38 > To:bitange@jambo.co.ke > Cc:KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] Fibre Optic Cables > > > Nothing against all the big guns establishing in Kenya but what about a long term objective > of building our own version of Akamai,googles, Limelights etc. > > Dont forget the real winners in the knowledge era are those who produce their own not use > others. So our long term objective should be to have our own alongside others because it is > a free market economy. > > Eric here > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Michuki Mwangi <michuki(a)swiftkenya.com> > Reply-To: michuki(a)swiftkenya.com > Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:14:04 +0300 > > > > > > >bitange(a)jambo.co.ke wrote: > >> Good news is that Etisalat (our partners in Teams) in conjunction with > >> Akamai are building an Internet Point of Presence (POP) in Fujaira thus > >> eliminating long distance needs for Internet in this region. > > > >The long term objective should be to have the likes of Akamai, Limelight > >and google collocating their nodes in Kenya. This will essentially keep > >at least 50% of our Internet traffic local. > > > >Regards, > > > >Michuki. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >kictanet mailing list > >kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > >http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > >This message was sent to: eric(a)afrispa.org > >Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eric%40afrispa.org > > > > -- > Eric M.K Osiakwan > Executive Secretary > AfrISPA (www.afrispa.org) > Tel: + 233.21.258800 > Fax: + 233.21.258811 > Cell: + 233.244.386792 > Handle: eosiakwan > Snail Mail: Pmb 208, Accra-North > Office: BusyInternet - 42 Ring Road Central, Accra-North > Blog: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/eric/ > Slang: "Tomorrow Now" > -- > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke > Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke> > > ---------------------------------------------- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > --------------------------------------------- > "easy access to the world" > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: daduda(a)nation.co.ke > Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/daduda%40nation.co.ke > > DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this e-mail is intended for the use of the stated recipient only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Any views or opinions presented herein are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Nation Media Group. To get all breaking news alerts send the word BREAK to 6667 or visit http://www.nationmedia.com/wap to read news on your mobile phone.

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FALSE MESSAGE
by MediaSpeak Africa 13 Feb '08

13 Feb '08

Please note that I have not asked to be removed from the mailing list. I do not understand how that came to you. Best, -- Stephen Ndegwa Mwangi Executive Director MediaSpeak Africa P. O. Box 18154-00100 Nairobi GPO Tel.: +254-20-2712309 Cell: +254-724-376 883 Kenya.

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KICTANet mailing list rules
by alice 13 Feb '08

13 Feb '08

Some instructions on using the KICTANet mailing list and other virtual forums for new folks and others need a reminder/refresher: * *TO SEND A NEW MESSAGE*: Simply address an email to *kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke * * *TO REPLY TO A MESSAGE SENT BY SOMEONE ELSE*: Please *do NOT hit "reply to sender".* While you may think the message is going only to sender, it comes for release to all the entire list serve, which generally is not your intent! To reply only to the sender, cut and paste in the address line the sender's email address. If you do want your reply to go to all members of the reservists then by all means use the "Reply to all". * *WHAT KINDS OF MESSAGES ARE APPROPRIATE? *The listserv is appropriately used for discussion, raising questions, responding to issues on Information and Communication Technologies (ICTs) policy, regulation, practice, research, posting notices of ICT related events, discussions, job vacancies, sharing a review of a news articles, papers, reports, or an upcoming conference or workshop that you think will be of broad interest, asking if others know of ICT related resources on a particular topic, commenting on a discussion thread, and the like. * *WHAT KINDS OF THINGS ARE INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE LISTSERV?** *The listserv should *not* be used at this time for personal advertising of services or the advertisement of services available from someone else. Please do *not* send updates of your addresses or other personal contact details to the listserv. Greetings to your friends, etc only flood mailboxes and should *not *be done through the listserv. Gender inappropriate or other references that may be offensive to some groups or individuals should not be posted, of course. * *Mailing list manners you must mind*: Don’t send rude, political, tribal and offensive e-mails or postings. * Be polite - virtual members are real not a cyberspace dunderheads with no feelings.* Watch your words - We can’t see your face, and the emotions in words can get misinterpreted.* Kick the bad language - People are listening.* Laws are laws - What’s real in the real world are the same in cyberspace. Be ethical in your posting, don't lie, plagiarize, or deliberately do harm to another KICTANet forum user. * *WHAT DO I DO IF MY EMAIL ADDRESS CHANGES? *If any of your personal contact details change, please send an email to: evelyne(a)kictanet.or.ke or jwalu(a)yahoo.com or alice(a)apc.org * *HOW ABOUT IF MY TITLE OR BUSINESS ADDRESS CHANGES?* Same as above best regards alice

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Re: [kictanet] Karuaphobia
by robert yawe 13 Feb '08

13 Feb '08

Dorcas, I know I could sometimes be abrasive but I do not think that is reason for anyone to get abusive. Lets respect each other online in the same way you would be civil if we where having a face to face discussion. It is also wrong to go off line on an online issue. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya Tel: +254722511225 ----- Original Message ---- From: Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni(a)gmail.com> To: robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Monday, 28 January, 2008 12:11:33 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Karuaphobia Excuse me, i usually do not have time for such character! I am definitely not interested in continuing any conversation with you. I was not interviewing you. Do not write to me again. On Jan 26, 2008 3:33 PM, robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Did you read my mail or is this an automated response? Please read the message, it appears below and tell me what part of the message was derogatory to women? I respect Karua more than you ever will so please stop reacting as such action is what has got has where we are. Regards Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya Tel: +254722511225 ----- Original Message ---- From: Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni(a)gmail.com> To: robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Sent: Friday, 25 January, 2008 3:17:21 AM Subject: Re: [kictanet] Karuaphobia Robert, Please DO NOT use derogatory language against Hon. Martha Karua. She a sign of women leadership which is characteristically lacking in this country. Could you please apologize to the women of this country. Men have significantly failed us in leadership in this country and we cannot afford to have anyone undermining women of resolve. -- Muthoni My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:- First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!! On Jan 25, 2008 9:16 AM, robert yawe <robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk > wrote: Hi, I missed Hon. Martha Karua's interview on BBC HardTalk with Clay so I tried looking for a recording on the net. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b008qqjx It is interesting that it is not available, could this be a case of censorship or is BBC also suffering from KauraPhobia? Regards PS. Self censorship is the worst form of fear Robert Yawe KAY System Technologies Ltd Phoenix House, 6th Floor P O Box 55806 Nairobi, 00200 KEnya Tel: +254722511225 Sent from Yahoo! - a smarter inbox. _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: dmuthoni(a)gmail.com Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmuthoni%40gmail.com -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet This message was sent to: robertyawe(a)yahoo.co.uk Unsubscribe or change your options at http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/robertyawe%40yahoo.co.… Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with Yahoo! for Good -- Muthoni My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:- First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!! __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com

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