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Re: [kictanet] Biometric authentication technology
by Nanjira Sambuli 23 Dec '17

23 Dec '17

Actually, we need to have a serious discussion on the perceived security provided by biometrics. Here’s a curation of concerns: https://twitter.com/ninanjira/status/932505789926989824 Regards, Nanjira. Sent on the move. > On 20 Dec 2017, at 20:14, Julius Njiraini <njiraini2001(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Financial institutions are now taking biometric authentication technology seriously. Kudo equity, Safaricom and now kcb. Biometric technology can't be copied, stolen, forgotten, or faked

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Re: [kictanet] Ni.ke hits the Kshs 1 billion (or $9.7m) mark in the premium domain auction of the .ke second level domain launch (Warning: This could be #FakeNews :-) )
by Ali Hussein 23 Dec '17

23 Dec '17

:-) *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 9:41 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I get your drift, Ali :-) > > > On 23 December 2017 at 09:38, Ali Hussein via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > >> Abdalla >> >> Thanks for the update. >> >> Another interesting premium domain is Alphabet.ke. Yup, you guessed >> right..It's not the garden variety Alphabet that is driving the price to >> Kshs. 1.5m as of this morning.. :-) It's the Google variety..If you get my >> drift.. :-) >> >> >> >> *Ali Hussein* >> >> *Principal* >> >> *Hussein & Associates* >> >> >> >> Tel: +254 713 601113 >> >> Twitter: @AliHKassim >> >> Skype: abu-jomo >> >> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> >> >> >> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, >> >> Chiromo Road, Westlands, >> >> Nairobi, Kenya. >> >> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely >> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the >> organizations that I work with. >> >> On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 6:44 AM, Abdalla <ceo(a)kenic.or.ke> wrote: >> >>> >>> Dear Listers, >>> >>> Thank you for supporting the auction process by maintaining a very >>> vibrant discussion on the same. The auction date for ni.ke ended >>> yesterday. We will commence communication with the bidders and get the next >>> step of the processes in action. There are still a number of premium >>> domains on auction till the end of December 2017. >>> >>> Listers will be updated on what happened by the end 1st week January >>> 2018. >>> >>> I would like to take this opportunity to wish everyone Happy Holidays >>> !!! >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Abdalla Omari. >>> *Chief Executive Officer* >>> >>> >>> On Dec 23, 2017, at 4:34 AM, Ali Hussein via kictanet < >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> >>> Auction ends on the 30th I think. Some though did end yesterday. >>> >>> Would be interesting to hear from KENIC. >>> >>> Ali Hussein >>> +254 0713 601113 >>> >>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>> Skype: abu-jomo >>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>> >>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but >>> a habit." ~ Aristotle >>> >>> Get Outlook <https://aka.ms/sdimjr> for iOS >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Collins Areba <arebacollins(a)gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 12:39:06 AM >>> *To:* KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >>> *Cc:* Ali Hussein >>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] Ni.ke hits the Kshs 1 billion (or $9.7m) mark >>> in the premium domain auction of the .ke second level domain launch >>> (Warning: This could be #FakeNews :-) ) >>> >>> Now that the auction is complete... any indication if this indeed >>> happened? >>> >>> On 21 Dec 2017 12:15, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> The auction is getting very interesting.. >>>> >>>> By the way.. This is a note to KENIC - I believe there are bidders who >>>> are using bots to automate the auction alerts.. Amazing stuff! >>>> >>>> Great use case for Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning.. >>>> >>>> *Ali Hussein* >>>> *Principal* >>>> *Hussein & Associates* >>>> >>>> >>>> Tel: +254 713 601113 >>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>>> Skype: abu-jomo >>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> >>>> >>>> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, >>>> Chiromo Road, Westlands, >>>> Nairobi, Kenya. >>>> >>>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely >>>> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the >>>> organizations that I work with. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Let me go for all the likes - li.ke >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 21 December 2017 at 09:26, Collins Areba <arebacollins(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> We should just sell co.ke >>>>>> :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Collins Areba, >>>>>> Kilifi, Kenya. >>>>>> Tel: +*254 707 750 788 */ *0731750788* >>>>>> Twitter: @arebacollins. >>>>>> Skype: arebacollins >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < >>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Bob, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have you registered 1Bob.KE or you are waiting till I go squatting >>>>>>> with the name? :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 20 December 2017 at 20:38, Ali Hussein via kictanet < >>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So am I Bob.. So am I... :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had to go in several times to confirm the number.. However, the >>>>>>>> proof of the pudding is in the eating.. Let's see who plonks that kind of >>>>>>>> money.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some interesting domains are hitting respectable numbers.. Ranging >>>>>>>> from 100k to 500k..This is real.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Ali Hussein* >>>>>>>> *Principal* >>>>>>>> *Hussein & Associates* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tel: +254 713 601113 >>>>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>>>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo >>>>>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>>>>>>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, >>>>>>>> Chiromo Road, Westlands, >>>>>>>> Nairobi, Kenya. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are >>>>>>>> purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the >>>>>>>> organizations that I work with. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Bob Omondi <omondibob(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> @Ali, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am struggling with the figure :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> .KE is going place indeed! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> Bob. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 8:16 PM, Ali Hussein <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nope. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I billion. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Ali Hussein* >>>>>>>>>> *Principal* >>>>>>>>>> *Hussein & Associates* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tel: +254 713 601113 >>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>>>>>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo >>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>>>>>>>>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, >>>>>>>>>> Chiromo Road, Westlands, >>>>>>>>>> Nairobi, Kenya. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are >>>>>>>>>> purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the >>>>>>>>>> organizations that I work with. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Bobs via kictanet < >>>>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 10M I think! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> Bob. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2017, at 6:56 PM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet < >>>>>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Woooowwww! >>>>>>>>>>> Yep, this is a great feat. Kudos KENIC! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 2017-12-20 18:38 GMT+03:00 Ali Hussein via kictanet < >>>>>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ni.ke hits the Kshs 1 billion (or $9.7m) mark in the premium >>>>>>>>>>>> domain auction of the .ke second level domain launch. This is probably an >>>>>>>>>>>> all time record of any ccTLD (Country Code Second Level Domain). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> For a minute I thought this was an error. And it could still >>>>>>>>>>>> be.. :-) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://auction.kenic.or.ke/item/19203406/nike >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If this turns out to be true it would be a world record and >>>>>>>>>>>> focus the world alot more on Kenya.. Hold on! We are onto a wild ride! :-) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> At the very least this is great PR and a Marketing Coup. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> @Abdalla and Team - Well done for putting KENIC on the map! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Ali Hussein* >>>>>>>>>>>> *Principal* >>>>>>>>>>>> *Hussein & Associates* >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: +254 713 601113 >>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>>>>>>>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo >>>>>>>>>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, >>>>>>>>>>>> Chiromo Road, Westlands, >>>>>>>>>>>> Nairobi, Kenya. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email >>>>>>>>>>>> are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of >>>>>>>>>>>> the organizations that I work with. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>>>>>>>>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nmutun >>>>>>>>>>>> gu%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >>>>>>>>>>>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy >>>>>>>>>>>> and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>>>>>>>>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >>>>>>>>>>>> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >>>>>>>>>>>> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect >>>>>>>>>>>> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Grace Mutung'u >>>>>>>>>>> Skype: gracebomu >>>>>>>>>>> @Bomu >>>>>>>>>>> PGP ID : 0x33A3450F >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>>>>>>>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/omondi >>>>>>>>>>> bob%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >>>>>>>>>>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy >>>>>>>>>>> and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>>>>>>>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >>>>>>>>>>> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >>>>>>>>>>> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect >>>>>>>>>>> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>>>>>>>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/info%4 >>>>>>>>>>> 0alyhussein.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >>>>>>>>>>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy >>>>>>>>>>> and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>>>>>>>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >>>>>>>>>>> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >>>>>>>>>>> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect >>>>>>>>>>> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>>>>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/odhiam >>>>>>>> bo%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >>>>>>>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy >>>>>>>> and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>>>>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >>>>>>>> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >>>>>>>> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect >>>>>>>> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>>>>>> Nairobi,KE >>>>>>> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 >>>>>>> "Oh, the cruft." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>>>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >>>>>>> ailman/options/kictanet/arebacollins%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >>>>>>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy >>>>>>> and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>>>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >>>>>>> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >>>>>>> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect >>>>>>> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>>>> Nairobi,KE >>>>> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 >>>>> "Oh, the cruft." >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >>>>> ailman/options/kictanet/info%40alyhussein.com >>>>> >>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >>>>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy >>>>> and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>>> >>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >>>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, >>>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do >>>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> kictanet mailing list >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >>>> ailman/options/kictanet/arebacollins%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >>>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >>>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>> >>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >>>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, >>>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do >>>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>> >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >>> ailman/options/kictanet/ceo%40kenic.or.ke >>> >>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >>> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >>> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>> >>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >>> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, >>> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do >>> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >> ailman/options/kictanet/odhiambo%40gmail.com >> >> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform >> for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and >> regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >> >> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors >> online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, >> share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do >> not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >> >> > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 > "Oh, the cruft." >

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Re: [kictanet] Ni.ke hits the Kshs 1 billion (or $9.7m) mark in the premium domain auction of the .ke second level domain launch (Warning: This could be #FakeNews :-) )
by Ali Hussein 23 Dec '17

23 Dec '17

The auction is getting very interesting.. By the way.. This is a note to KENIC - I believe there are bidders who are using bots to automate the auction alerts.. Amazing stuff! Great use case for Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning.. *Ali Hussein* *Principal* *Hussein & Associates* Tel: +254 713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > Let me go for all the likes - li.ke > > > On 21 December 2017 at 09:26, Collins Areba <arebacollins(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> We should just sell co.ke >> :-) >> >> Regards, >> >> Collins Areba, >> Kilifi, Kenya. >> Tel: +*254 707 750 788 */ *0731750788* >> Twitter: @arebacollins. >> Skype: arebacollins >> >> On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 8:51 AM, Odhiambo Washington via kictanet < >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> >>> Hi Bob, >>> >>> Have you registered 1Bob.KE or you are waiting till I go squatting with >>> the name? :-) >>> >>> On 20 December 2017 at 20:38, Ali Hussein via kictanet < >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> So am I Bob.. So am I... :-) >>>> >>>> I had to go in several times to confirm the number.. However, the proof >>>> of the pudding is in the eating.. Let's see who plonks that kind of money.. >>>> >>>> Some interesting domains are hitting respectable numbers.. Ranging from >>>> 100k to 500k..This is real.. >>>> >>>> *Ali Hussein* >>>> >>>> *Principal* >>>> >>>> *Hussein & Associates* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Tel: +254 713 601113 >>>> >>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>>> >>>> Skype: abu-jomo >>>> >>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> >>>> >>>> >>>> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, >>>> >>>> Chiromo Road, Westlands, >>>> >>>> Nairobi, Kenya. >>>> >>>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely >>>> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the >>>> organizations that I work with. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Bob Omondi <omondibob(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> @Ali, >>>>> >>>>> I am struggling with the figure :-) >>>>> >>>>> .KE is going place indeed! >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Bob. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 8:16 PM, Ali Hussein <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Nope. >>>>>> >>>>>> I billion. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Ali Hussein* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Principal* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Hussein & Associates* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tel: +254 713 601113 >>>>>> >>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>>>>> >>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo >>>>>> >>>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>>>>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, >>>>>> >>>>>> Chiromo Road, Westlands, >>>>>> >>>>>> Nairobi, Kenya. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are >>>>>> purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the >>>>>> organizations that I work with. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Bobs via kictanet < >>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> 10M I think! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Bob. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 20, 2017, at 6:56 PM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet < >>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Woooowwww! >>>>>>> Yep, this is a great feat. Kudos KENIC! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2017-12-20 18:38 GMT+03:00 Ali Hussein via kictanet < >>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ni.ke hits the Kshs 1 billion (or $9.7m) mark in the premium domain >>>>>>>> auction of the .ke second level domain launch. This is probably an all time >>>>>>>> record of any ccTLD (Country Code Second Level Domain). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For a minute I thought this was an error. And it could still be.. >>>>>>>> :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://auction.kenic.or.ke/item/19203406/nike >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If this turns out to be true it would be a world record and focus >>>>>>>> the world alot more on Kenya.. Hold on! We are onto a wild ride! :-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At the very least this is great PR and a Marketing Coup. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @Abdalla and Team - Well done for putting KENIC on the map! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Ali Hussein* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Principal* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Hussein & Associates* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tel: +254 713 601113 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Skype: abu-jomo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>>>>>>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chiromo Road, Westlands, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nairobi, Kenya. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are >>>>>>>> purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the >>>>>>>> organizations that I work with. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>>>>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>>>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/nmutun >>>>>>>> gu%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >>>>>>>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy >>>>>>>> and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>>>>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >>>>>>>> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >>>>>>>> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect >>>>>>>> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Grace Mutung'u >>>>>>> Skype: gracebomu >>>>>>> @Bomu >>>>>>> PGP ID : 0x33A3450F >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>>>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >>>>>>> ailman/options/kictanet/omondibob%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >>>>>>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy >>>>>>> and regulation. 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Fwd: [ALAC-Announce] ICANN News Alerts -- ICANN Seeking Mentor for Global Indigenous Ambassador Program for ICANN61
by Barrack Otieno 22 Dec '17

22 Dec '17

Listers, Might be of interest to some. Best Regards ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ICANN At-Large Staff <staff(a)atlarge.icann.org> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 07:32:26 +0000 Subject: [ALAC-Announce] ICANN News Alerts -- ICANN Seeking Mentor for Global Indigenous Ambassador Program for ICANN61 To: ALAC Announce <alac-announce(a)atlarge-lists.icann.org> [CANN][icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.icann.org_&d=DwMFaQ…> News Alert https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2017-12-20-en[icann.org]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.icann.org_news_ann…> ________________________________ ICANN Seeking Mentor for Global Indigenous Ambassador Program for ICANN61 20 December 2017 LOS ANGELES – 20 December 2017 – Today, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) announced a call for a volunteer to serve as a mentor for the Global Indigenous Ambassador Program during ICANN61. ICANN announced the creation of the Global Indigenous Ambassador Program in June 2017. The program establishes two Indigenous Ambassadors, which will be selected from underrepresented indigenous communities, as well as one mentor. Through the inclusion of a broader and more diverse base of knowledgeable constituents, ICANN will be better equipped to support the next generation of the global Internet community. ICANN is now accepting applications for anyone interested in serving as a mentor for the two Global Indigenous Ambassadors during ICANN61. Mentors must be familiar with ICANN and At-Large, and have been active in one of the constituencies. Mentors must also meet a number of criteria listed on this webpage[docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…> and follow the requirements for coaches as described in the ICANN Fellowship handbook[docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_docume…>. The selected mentor will receive travel and hotel accommodations, as well as a per diem, for ICANN61 in San Juan, Puerto Rico, which will be held from 10-15 March 2018. The deadline for submitting applications is 8 January 2018. Applications are available here[docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_forms_…>. ICANN encourages anyone who is qualified to apply for this special opportunity! About ICANN ICANN's mission is to help ensure a stable, secure and unified global Internet. To reach another person on the Internet, you need to type an address – a name or a number – into your computer or other device. That address must be unique so computers know where to find each other. ICANN helps coordinate and support these unique identifiers across the world. ICANN was formed in 1998 as a not-for-profit public-benefit corporation with a community of participants from all over the world. -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254733206359 Skype: barrack.otieno PGP ID: 0x2611D86A

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Interesting “After Internet Access” comparative stats in Africa - preliminary findings from Research ICT Africa Network
by Nanjira Sambuli 21 Dec '17

21 Dec '17

See more in the Twitter thread, and some preliminary policy questions worth probing. Nanjira (@NiNanjira) 21/12/2017, 11:02 Research by @RIAnetwork shows an interesting disparity between mobile phone usage vs Internet use. Eg Kenya at approx 90% mobile usage vs approx 26% internet use! South Africa: approx 84% mobile ownership, 50% internet use. (Nationally representative samples). #igf2017 Regards, Nanjira. Sent on the move.

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Biometric authentication technology
by Julius Njiraini 21 Dec '17

21 Dec '17

Financial institutions are now taking biometric authentication technology seriously. Kudo equity, Safaricom and now kcb. Biometric technology can't be copied, stolen, forgotten, or faked

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Sky.Garden | +3, 000 merchants, +13, 500 products and over 8, 000 orders
by Mbugua Njihia 21 Dec '17

21 Dec '17

As more consumers become digitally literate and money takes to the mobile medium, we see players continue to try their hand at commerce hoping to hit balanced and profitable disintermediation at scale. We know of the popular, deeply capitalized but high burn rate platforms that are still trying to find their profit footing and others birthed by telco concerns looking to build additional utility to successful yet threatened cash cows. There are other lesser known players, building and refining products for well researched segments while slowly but surely gaining traction. Sky.Garden whom I met after interacting with Norwegian accelerator Katapult <http://www.katapultaccelerator.com>is one such company.They have have signed up over 3,000 merchants, seen over 13,500 products listed in web-shops and fulfilled over 8,000 orders - http://www.mbuguanjihia.com/ business/sky-gardens-take-digital-commerce.html ᐧ ᐧ

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ict practitioners bill is back
by Watila Alex 19 Dec '17

19 Dec '17

EricKigada: Kenya’s controversial ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 to be tabled in parliament again techmoran.com/kenyas-controv… https://twitter.com/EricKigada/status/937309893954031616 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

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Re: [kictanet] kictanet Digest, Vol 127, Issue 38
by Ory Okolloh 18 Dec '17

18 Dec '17

Question re standards...What are we modelling on? Who is the standards body in Silicon Valley? Estonia? India? South Africa? How does Google hire in Kenya? Africa? Facebook? Who were the ICT practitioners behind mpesa? Ecitizen? Ushahidi? Etc. Were theya part of KEPSA? Is there a country in the world where ALL private sector concerns have to go through a single body to be legit/heard (China?)? Is there a fantastic ICT skills Kenyan person struggling to export said skill because of no standards ? Was the Kictanet 100 days thingy for naught? Yet to understand how this is not a solution looking for a problem. But what do I know? (don't run away) Sent from my phone, brevity and typos expected. On 17 Dec 2017 7:24 pm, <kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Send kictanet mailing list submissions to kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kictanet-request(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke You can reach the person managing the list at kictanet-owner(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: ict practitioners bill is back (Fiona Asonga) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 19:20:41 +0300 (EAT) From: Fiona Asonga <tespok(a)tespok.co.ke> To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back Message-ID: <124527082.64059.1513527641007.JavaMail.zimbra(a)tespok.co.ke> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dear Ali You were with us at KEPSA Offices when we asked that KICATNET nominate representatives to work with us on the ICT Practitioners Bill. Because we want to achieve more as an industry we ave continues to work with your representatives even on the Vision 2030 MTP III plan and other engagements we have had with the ministry of ICT. It is not about KICTANET being a member but being a partner and working with TESPOK, DRAKE, KITOS, BAKE, ICTAK and any other ICT association. The document we circulated through KEPSA to the Ministry and parliament included KICATNET as part of KEPSA. You may need to reconsider your statement to CS Mucheru. Secondly, the KEPSA partnership with KICTANET is not compulsory. However, it is in the interest of achieving similar set goals for the ICT sector as a whole. KICATNET is free to pull out of it at any time just advise KEPSA secretariat on the same. Together we can achieve more Kind regards ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ali Hussein via kictanet" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> To: tespok(a)tespok.co.ke Cc: "Ali Hussein" <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 3:11:02 PM Subject: Re: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back Dear Bwana CS KICTANet NEVER asked KEPSA to handle engagements on our behalf. We engaged KEPSA to work as a team. Period. Never, did we abdicate our responsibilities to KEPSA because we are not KEPSA members. If KEPSA gave you that belief then I'm afraid that you were misled. And KEPSA should apologise for misleading you. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates T el: +254 713 60 1113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, Chiromo Road, Westlands, Nairobi, Kenya. Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the organizations that I work with. On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Joseph Mucheru via kictanet < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: Ali Hussein, This is the reason I keep off this list. You are calling me a liar and yet your team asked KEPSA to handle the engagements in this matter. With all respect going forward let's follow the agreed engagements between government and private sector. Ahsante Sana! JM On 17 Dec 2017 11:17, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: <blockquote> Bwana CS With all due respect. You are a senior government official and shouldn?t peddle untruths. KICTANet HAS NEVER BEEN PART OF KEPSA. We have collaborated only once on the ICT BIll. Most of us don?t believe KEPSA is representative of the wider ICT Industry. We welcome dialogue with your ministry and KEPSA on this. We are happy to be included in the conversation. We however CANNOT endorse a dialogue and discussions we are not party to. Ali Hussein Principal Hussein & Associates +254 0713 601113 Twitter: @AliHKassim Skype: abu-jomo LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle Sent from my iPad On 17 Dec 2017, at 9:04 AM, Julius Njiraini via kictanet < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: <blockquote> Digital forensic expert is involved in investigation of fraud, abuse, embezzlement, larceny, conversion of any digital device, records and process. The report is supposed to be presented in courtroom and testify as expert witness. He is also supposed to corroborate evidence with other segment of crime scene using relevant laws including evidence act, criminal procedures code and cyber crime laws as best international laws in other countries On Dec 17, 2017 8:32 AM, "Julius Njiraini" < njiraini2001(a)gmail.com > wrote: <blockquote> Thanks for your enlightenment. Am just concerned about new emerging fields like information security and forensics which is mainly concerned with digital cyber crime and evidence presentation in courtroom. These is especially concerns for computer security and forensics professionals On Dec 17, 2017 6:12 AM, "Joseph Mucheru via kictanet" < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: <blockquote> The absence of dialogue and relying on media reports is a recipe for discord. The current views, sentiments and concerns raised in the group are justified only because there is no dialogue. Kicktanet is part of KEPSA who we are in constant dialogue even on this topic. Going forward, the need to dialogue through the agreed channels is key; So let me try and give a position on where we are; * I did state that we will need a Practitioners Bill and even clarified to media it would not be the current one * There is currently NO Bill in parliament. The last one lapsed and we would need to start afresh * The bill identified a need/gap in our sector that requires some action, especially since ICT is at the heart of the Governments development agenda * The Industry was opposed with the method/solutions proposed by the Bill but not the fact there is a gap * Other Industries have self regulating bodies and if our sector is to grow, we need to get organised and set this up. Why should government have to do it? * We are exporting our skills regionally and internationally and a need to standardise and demonstrate our skills is key. This is because we are not working in isolation, we are competing with other countries and Kenya must be able to demonstrate consistent and quality skills -- today we are blacklisted on various online jobs platforms because of a few bad apples, while we know we have some of the best talents, we are also losing tenders and business because we have not conformed to specific international standards and so the rating of our products/services falls short. (KBS is working on the standards) And for the accusations... * It was a private members bill and not sponsored by Government (We opposed it in its current form - you know that, otherwise google it). * Responding to questions from the sector does not amount to a "roadside decision", considering the level of engagement we have had on this issue * The Government is there to serve the people of Kenya and not just the sector in isolation * Skills Rating systems used by platforms such as Kuhastle.com , upwork.com ., cloudfactory.com , monster.com ..etc are examples of ways people are able to build and demonstrate skills both technical and otherwise * I have had engagements on this topic with KEPSA ( ICT Sector Committee ) - Mike Macharia being the Chair * I saw in social media many of you opposed to ICTAK being enjoined in the supreme court presidential petition, but none came out (Kicktanet included) to support/represent the sector, which was at the heart of the dispute. At the very least ICTAK was willing to come forward. * Similar to the Law Society, The Supreme Court should have chosen the ICT experts from the ICT Industry body? My advice would be for the sector to take the lead and suggest how this need/gap of "SKILLS RATING" standards etc.. can be addressed. We are on the same side. If industry does not take the lead, then Government will step in. As it stands, industry has various bodies and you need to agree on how to engage amongst yourselves. We are going to be successful and so let us push in the same direction. Finally, today the official engagement between government and the ICT sector is through KEPSA . (KICTAnet, TESPOK, KITOS etc.. are members and even when we engaged on the ICT Practitioners bill, the sector was represented by KEPSA, when we met MPs). The last discussion on Tuesday 14th December 2017 between KEPSA and the Ministry covered the following topics; 1. ICT Policy 2. Kick-off Industry meetings 3. Bills / Opinions - ICT Practitioners Bill 4. PDTP + Ajira Digital (Jobs) 5. Flagship Projects 6. Constituency Development Hubs 7. ICTA Engagement with Counties 8. Enterprise Kenya 9. Blockchain Thank you! On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 3:07 AM, Andrew Alston via kictanet < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: <blockquote> Hi All, So ? having seen an article in the standardmedia in which elements of what I stated below were quoted ? and to which there seem to have been responses ? I now need to comment further: (Article found at: https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/ 2001263257/techies-oppose-move-to-introduce-new-ict-watchdog ) Mucheru, however, denies that the Bill will lock out experts without formal training insisting the reverse will be the case. ?This Bill will benefit the people who have been working in technical capacity for years but have not acquired certificates,? he explained. ?If they can demonstrate their proficiency to the Institute then they can get certified and widen the scope of jobs they can bid or apply for.? So ? I have a question ? What will be the method of demonstrating proficiency and how will this be tested ? and what will it cost ? and how long will it take. Now ? let me break the questions down a bit 1. The ICT field is vast ? are you going to test proficiency in programming? In networking? In security? In database administration? In desktop support? In Linux? Freebsd? Microsoft? Solaris? AIX? What is the test going to be ? and who is going to administer these tests 2. What makes an industry body more capable of testing proficiency than Cisco, Juniper, Huawei or any of the other vendors ? the bill does * NOT * cater for industry standard certification outside of formal education ? it simply is not in there ? and if you are not going to accept these and are going to have this industry body determine proficiency ? we need to know how this will be done and how the people testing proficiency will be qualified to do it ? and in what fields they are qualified to test proficiency. 3. What is the cost of this testing of proficiency ? does an individual who has certified as a CCIE at the cost of thousands ? and in some cases tens of thousands ? of dollars suddenly need to pay more to demonstrate something that he has clearly already demonstrated? Who will it be paid for? How will the money be utilized? Will this be included in the license fee for the first year? Or will this suddenly cost extra so someone can make some money? 4. How does does it take to ?demonstrate proficiency? ? and if I bring in someone from outside to train my staff in a new field of technology ? is he going to be made to sit some kind of exam? Or pay some kind of fee before he can upskill Kenyans? Because ? lets be real ? that is not going to happen ? it will be the death of bringing in people to impart knowledge. Let me be blunt ? more than half the authors of the RFC?s within the IETF would not qualify under the bill as it stands ? this means they would have to ?demonstrate? their proficiency ? despite the fact that they have their names on Internet standards ? and if people expect these individuals to sit exams or prove to people that they know what they are doing ? despite the knowledge having been clearly demonstrated (which is why they are being flown in in the first place, to train Kenyans in skills that are not available in the country so that those Kenyans can continue to further upskill and lift up the industry) ? you can kiss goodbye to having cutting edge people coming into this country ? it simply won?t happen ? and it will be Kenya that loses out. Then to comment on this: Mucheru adds that the Government has held several engagements with practitioners in the sector on the provisions of the Bill. Correct ? there was massive engagement ? and the bill was largely defeated after the industry said it was broken ? after people on this list said it was broken ? after it was slammed left right and centre ? so yes ? there was engagement ? but the article is wrong about the fact that the engagement agreed that this bill in its current form was a good idea or represented the correct solution. ?There was consensus that we need to establish a professional body to regulate the industry,? he said. I have no problem with the concept of a professional body ? I have major problems with forcing a situation where people who have potentially decades of experience have to suddenly ?prove? their skills via some entirely undefined means at some undefined cost to a bunch of people who may or may not have anywhere close to the experience or knowledge of the person being tested. If we said that we had a professional body that people could register to ? and they needed to be registered ? and in the event of substantiated complaints the individual could be deregistered and blacklisted ? I would have no problem. It is the arbitrary and unsubstantiated and undefined criteria for registration that I take exception to ? and that I believe could result in expensive legal challenges. Please ? do not get me wrong ? I do not begrudge anyone who has a desire to genuinely root out the bad apples and clean up the industry and remove scam artists and fraudsters. I think that is a noble and pure objective that should be pursued. I however dispute the fact that this bill is the right way to go about it ? and I dispute the fact that university degrees have anything to do with competence in this industry ? particularly with the rate that technology evolves ? because an individual doing a 3 year degree who is learning specific technologies in his first year ? by the time he graduates ? those technologies are history ? and when he walks into the industry ? he is having to self study it all again ANYWAY. Let me give you examples of technologies that did not exist a year ago in any real form: 1. Segment routing ? the foundation of network routing going forward and the replacement to MPLS ? how do I know this ? because I?ve had my hands in crafting the specifications and doing a lot of the beta testing for it ? so who is going to test proficiency here ? it changes the game ? and the only people qualified to teach it ? or gauge the proficiency in it ? do not themselves qualify under this bill to be registered. 2. Network telemetry processing ? first introduced in limited form in Q3 2015 ? and only now becoming main stream ? but within a year of it being main stream ? it will replace standard network monitoring entirely ? who is going to teach that with a university degree? 3. Which university degree teaches BGP? BGP-LU? ISIS? Network segmentation? IPv6 addressing? The list is endless ? these are things that cannot be learnt through a degree ? they are learnt through industry standard certification or self-skilling by reading documentation. So, Mr Mucheru ? please ? do not read me wrong ? I have tremendous respect for the regulator in this country ? and it is testament to how well the Kenyan industry and the regulatory environment here works that today ? Kenya has higher average mobile broadband speeds than either the US or South Africa or a lot of other places. It is testament to the regulatory environment here that we have the high-speed networks we do ? and that the pricing is as low as it is ? because the industry is competitive and open and innovative. This list of things the regulator has gotten right in this country is long - I do however plead with you, the bill as it stands would break the industry that all of us ? yourself ? myself ? and so many others have worked so hard to build. I am NOT against a professional body ? I am NOT against formalizing things ? but I beg you ? do not walk down the road of this current bill in its current form ? it will be death to this industry in this country. Andrew Alston From: Andrew Alston < Andrew.Alston(a)liquidtelecom.com > Date: Monday, 4 December 2017 at 01:24 To: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > Cc: Liz Wanjiru < lizwanjiru(a)gmail.com > Subject: RE: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back I have to say ? personally I cannot think of a worse piece of legislation that I have seen in recent history. Let us look at the net effects of this and the problems with it: 1. Large companies bring in consultants or external people where necessary to supplement capacity, to train and upskill Kenyan staff etc, while those guys are here, even for a week or two, they are compensated, and my reading of this bill is ? this would be illegal ? because you?d have to get every consultant you bring in accredited and licensed first ? which is impractical in the extreme 2. The list of highly skilled people with 20+ years experience who would not qualify for accreditation under this bill is extensive, globally and within Kenya ? this bill completely stops any form of knowledge transfer from those individuals and in fact will force a situation where Kenyan?s who wish to learn from some of the biggest names in the industry would be forced to go internationally to get that knowledge, rather than bringing those people in to train locally 3. It forces Kenyans who have spent years learning and honing their skills without university qualifications out of work and could well result in large scale job losses looking at the number of highly skilled individuals I know of who are working without qualifications 4. It prevents private companies from making what are normal business decisions ? who they hire and who they pay. That is problematic in the extreme ? in any normal situation if a private company hires staff that don?t perform ? those staff either get fired or the market rejects the company and the company disappears ? standard market dynamics ? in this case ? if a company finds extremely talented people they may be forced into a position where they have to hire less skilled people because someone can?t meet some accreditation requirement. 5. The bill has no recognition of prior experience ? no recognition of those who have published papers and are world recognized experts ? does not specify what the ?recognized? universities are ? does not take into account industry standard certification (CISSP/CCNA/CCIE/CCDP/JNCIE/JNCIP/JNCIA, the list is endless) 6. May well end up in the constitutional court when it deprives a host of people who have spent their lives working in this industry and have no other options for a career of the ability to earn a living The bill relies on the belief that a university qualification some how makes you better than those without ? it?s reasoning that has been disproved globally for years and years and years ? and it flies in the face of the global industry and the way the ICT industry has worked since the day it began. It is damaging to the industry in Kenya ? it is damaging to the growth prospects of the economy as a result ? it is damaging to the people of Kenya ? and it will destroy the position that Kenya is in as one of the leaders of the ICT industry on the continent (Kenya already has the highest average broadband speeds on the continent and significantly better ICT infrastructure than you will find even in South Africa ? it is doing so well ? why break a system that is proving functional?) I really hope this does not pass ? and if it does ? will be curious to see the court challenges and how they play out ? but I think this is madness personally ? and in the name of stopping a few bad individuals ? penalizes the entire country and will destroy an industry that employs thousands. Andrew From: kictanet [mailto: kictanet-bounces+andrew.alston = liquidtelecom.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke ] On Behalf Of Liz Wanjiru via kictanet Sent: 04 December 2017 06:43 To: Andrew Alston < Andrew.Alston(a)liquidtelecom.com > Cc: Liz Wanjiru < lizwanjiru(a)gmail.com > Subject: Re: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back Hi, While trying to push such laws shouldn't they be looking at credentialing people without formal ICT schooling but have the experience, knowledge and skills to back them? These people have talent and positively contribute in the industry. Some countries have learning institutions credentialing professionals based on their body of work and so long as they can demonstrate this they are awarded the degrees or other government approved certifications. Here is an example of such Link Liz On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: <blockquote> I wonder how some of the ground breaking technology companies - such as for instance Google Kenya, can operate if this bill is passed. On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Watila Alex via kictanet < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > wrote: <blockquote> EricKigada: Kenya?s controversial ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 to be tabled in parliament again techmoran.com/kenyas-controv ? https://twitter.com/EricKigada/status/937309893954031616 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android _______________________________________________ kictanet mailing list kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/ mailman/options/kictanet/ultimateprogramer%40gmail.com The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. 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Re: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back
by S.M. Muraya 18 Dec '17

18 Dec '17

KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications We are discussing associations rather than policy. A benefit now is we know which association technocrats may feel more welcome in. No need for anyone to be flamed for misunderstandings. Also, suspect the KEPSA ICT reps may be associated with elitism if not business practices that rub some on an activist "Open Society" list the wrong way. Last year, the Govt opposed the bill. http://www.mygov.go.ke/government-rejects-ict-practitioners-bill/ Let us strike while the iron is hot, while we have a CS who really understands where the world is heading to digitally. Let us engage the CS decently, diplomatically. He may even call for open (non vendor, non tenderprenuership, non elitist) meetings (like Kictanet does best in Kenya) to gather more feedback. On Dec 18, 2017 11:11 AM, "Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via kictanet" < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: Replying to Julius Njiraini who has been posting one liners in support of the bill.....and also about this one organisation represents everyone.... we are a diverse country with varying interests. And diversity is good as it helps us to get different points of view on the table. No one organisation has monopoly of views in ICT or any other sector. We must dissuade ourselves from the notion that people need the law or a new law to organise themselves. Humans are social and they organise naturally. KEPSA, KICTANet, ISACA and many others who engage on ICT policy exsist without a special law? I hope this debate can shift from forced association through ICT Practitioners Bill to identifying the problems and seeking solutions. In my view, one main challenge is that the Ministry could be more responsive to stakeholders who want to engage with it. And this should be any and all stakeholders who are interested be they organisations or individuals, all sectors- private, academia, techies and civil society. More openess than closeness please! On 18 Dec 2017 02:02, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > @Fiona > > I stand by my statement. > > We DID NOT mandate KEPSA to speak on our behalf but we created an > inclusive team. This was a partnership. Even the letter to parliament had > all our logos. KEPSA, BAKE, KICTANET etc. And yes that team was > specifically set up to kill the ICT Bill. That work was concluded. To hear > of a revived initiative that purported to have a representative from > KICTANet is really a surprise to us all. > > If I recall the representatives from KICTANet were myself and Grace Bomu. > John Walubengo was also part of the team in case one of us couldn’t attend > the meetings. If there were any further initiatives on this bill the first > time we heard about them was through the press. > > To be clear. I stand by my statement. KEPSA doesn’t have the mandate to > represent KICTANet. > > *Ali Hussein* > *Principal* > *Hussein & Associates* > +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> > > Twitter: @AliHKassim > > Skype: abu-jomo > > LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim > > "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a > habit." ~ Aristotle > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 17 Dec 2017, at 11:17 PM, Liz Orembo via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > > > For the record KICTANet was opposed to the ICT practitioners bill. > Please see the submission to parliament https://www.kictane > t.or.ke/?page_id=28886 > > On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet < > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: > >> Listers, >> >> Allow me to add a comment or two. I believe we will start deviating from >> the main issue. >> >> Firstly, I think we need to very much understand where the buck stops on >> each matter. As much as yes, Bwana Mucheru, you require the industry to >> take lead in defining frameworks, there also needs to be guidance from the >> top. KICTANET <https://www.kictanet.or.ke/> is (as on the website) a >> catalyst for reforms. Bwana Mucheru these reforms need to be worked on by >> the both of us. We need you to become a part of the process together with >> all of us. The whole point of having the MoICT and bodies like Kictanet >> (which are catalysts) is the fact that we need to work together. Silos >> don't solve a problem. >> >> Bwana Mucheru, also I may not recollect this list necessarily being >> hostile in the past. And as any of us, you have a right to make your >> comments heard, and also I believe we need to also have a feedback loop >> between all of us. I think through the KICTANET website it is evident >> KICTANET has been doing its job well. If there are ways KICTANET can >> improve, Bwana Mucheru, feel free to raise the suggestions. This country >> belongs to all of us Sir. >> >> Lastly, Bwana Mucheru, this list has too many members who are strategic >> to the development of our country. And all of us need to be engaged with >> you. I think it will not do all of us much justice if we see you refrain >> from commenting on it. Lets all work collectively. >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Fiona Asonga via kictanet < >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >> >>> Dear Ali >>> >>> You were with us at KEPSA Offices when we asked that KICATNET nominate >>> representatives to work with us on the ICT Practitioners Bill. Because we >>> want to achieve more as an industry we ave continues to work with your >>> representatives even on the Vision 2030 MTP III plan and other engagements >>> we have had with the ministry of ICT. It is not about KICTANET being a >>> member but being a partner and working with TESPOK, DRAKE, KITOS, BAKE, >>> ICTAK and any other ICT association. >>> >>> The document we circulated through KEPSA to the Ministry and parliament >>> included KICATNET as part of KEPSA. You may need to reconsider your >>> statement to CS Mucheru. Secondly, the KEPSA partnership with KICTANET is >>> not compulsory. However, it is in the interest of achieving similar set >>> goals for the ICT sector as a whole. KICATNET is free to pull out of it at >>> any time just advise KEPSA secretariat on the same. >>> >>> Together we can achieve more >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Ali Hussein via kictanet" <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>> *To: *tespok(a)tespok.co.ke >>> *Cc: *"Ali Hussein" <ali(a)hussein.me.ke> >>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 17, 2017 3:11:02 PM >>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back >>> >>> Dear Bwana CS >>> >>> KICTANet NEVER asked KEPSA to handle engagements on our behalf. We >>> engaged KEPSA to work as a team. Period. Never, did we abdicate our >>> responsibilities to KEPSA because we are not KEPSA members. If KEPSA gave >>> you that belief then I'm afraid that you were misled. And KEPSA should >>> apologise for misleading you. >>> >>> *Ali Hussein* >>> >>> *Principal* >>> >>> *Hussein & Associates* >>> >>> >>> >>> Tel: +254 713 601113 >>> >>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>> >>> Skype: abu-jomo >>> >>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>> <http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim> >>> >>> >>> 13th Floor , Delta Towers, Oracle Wing, >>> >>> Chiromo Road, Westlands, >>> >>> Nairobi, Kenya. >>> >>> Any information of a personal nature expressed in this email are purely >>> mine and do not necessarily reflect the official positions of the >>> organizations that I work with. >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 4:53 PM, Joseph Mucheru via kictanet < >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Ali Hussein, >>>> >>>> This is the reason I keep off this list. You are calling me a liar and >>>> yet your team asked KEPSA to handle the engagements in this matter. >>>> >>>> With all respect going forward let's follow the agreed engagements >>>> between government and private sector. >>>> >>>> Ahsante Sana! >>>> >>>> JM >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17 Dec 2017 11:17, "Ali Hussein via kictanet" < >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>> Bwana CS >>>> >>>> With all due respect. You are a senior government official and >>>> shouldn’t peddle untruths. >>>> >>>> KICTANet HAS NEVER BEEN PART OF KEPSA. >>>> >>>> We have collaborated only once on the ICT BIll. Most of us don’t >>>> believe KEPSA is representative of the wider ICT Industry. >>>> >>>> We welcome dialogue with your ministry and KEPSA on this. We are happy >>>> to be included in the conversation. We however CANNOT endorse a dialogue >>>> and discussions we are not party to. >>>> >>>> *Ali Hussein* >>>> *Principal* >>>> *Hussein & Associates* >>>> +254 0713 601113 <+254%20713%20601113> >>>> >>>> Twitter: @AliHKassim >>>> >>>> Skype: abu-jomo >>>> >>>> LinkedIn: http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim >>>> >>>> "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but >>>> a habit." ~ Aristotle >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On 17 Dec 2017, at 9:04 AM, Julius Njiraini via kictanet < >>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>> Digital forensic expert is involved in investigation of fraud, abuse, >>>> embezzlement, larceny, conversion of any digital device, records and >>>> process. The report is supposed to be presented in courtroom and testify as >>>> expert witness. He is also supposed to corroborate evidence with other >>>> segment of crime scene using relevant laws including evidence act, criminal >>>> procedures code and cyber crime laws as best international laws in other >>>> countries >>>> On Dec 17, 2017 8:32 AM, "Julius Njiraini" <njiraini2001(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for your enlightenment. Am just concerned about new emerging >>>>> fields like information security and forensics which is mainly concerned >>>>> with digital cyber crime and evidence presentation in courtroom. These is >>>>> especially concerns for computer security and forensics professionals >>>>> On Dec 17, 2017 6:12 AM, "Joseph Mucheru via kictanet" < >>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The absence of dialogue and relying on media reports is a recipe for >>>>>> discord. The current views, sentiments and concerns raised in the group are >>>>>> justified only because there is no dialogue. Kicktanet is part of >>>>>> KEPSA <https://kepsa.or.ke> who we are in constant dialogue even on >>>>>> this topic. Going forward, the need to dialogue through the agreed channels >>>>>> is key; >>>>>> >>>>>> So let me try and give a position on where we are; >>>>>> >>>>>> - I did state that we will need a Practitioners Bill and even >>>>>> clarified to media it would not be the current one >>>>>> - There is currently NO Bill in parliament. The last one lapsed >>>>>> and we would need to start afresh >>>>>> - The bill identified a need/gap in our sector that requires some >>>>>> action, especially since ICT is at the heart of the Governments development >>>>>> agenda >>>>>> - The Industry was opposed with the method/solutions proposed by >>>>>> the Bill but not the fact there is a gap >>>>>> - Other Industries have self regulating bodies and if our sector >>>>>> is to grow, we need to get organised and set this up. Why should government >>>>>> have to do it? >>>>>> - We are exporting our skills regionally and internationally and >>>>>> a need to standardise and demonstrate our skills is key. This is because we >>>>>> are not working in isolation, we are competing with other countries and >>>>>> Kenya must be able to demonstrate consistent and quality skills -- today we >>>>>> are blacklisted on various online jobs platforms because of a few bad >>>>>> apples, while we know we have some of the best talents, we are also losing >>>>>> tenders and business because we have not conformed to specific >>>>>> international standards and so the rating of our products/services falls >>>>>> short. (KBS is working on the standards) >>>>>> >>>>>> And for the accusations... >>>>>> >>>>>> - It was a private members bill and not sponsored by Government >>>>>> (We opposed it in its current form - you know that, otherwise google it). >>>>>> - Responding to questions from the sector does not amount to a >>>>>> "roadside decision", considering the level of engagement we have had on >>>>>> this issue >>>>>> - The Government is there to serve the people of Kenya and not >>>>>> just the sector in isolation >>>>>> - Skills Rating systems used by platforms such as Kuhastle.com, >>>>>> upwork.com., cloudfactory.com, monster.com..etc are examples of >>>>>> ways people are able to build and demonstrate skills both technical and >>>>>> otherwise >>>>>> - I have had engagements on this topic with KEPSA (ICT Sector >>>>>> Committee <https://kepsa.or.ke/sector-comittees/>) - Mike >>>>>> Macharia being the Chair >>>>>> - I saw in social media many of you opposed to ICTAK >>>>>> <http://www.ictak.or.ke/> being enjoined in the supreme court >>>>>> presidential petition, but none came out (Kicktanet included) to >>>>>> support/represent the sector, which was at the heart of the dispute. At the >>>>>> very least ICTAK <http://www.ictak.or.ke/> was willing to come >>>>>> forward. >>>>>> - Similar to the Law Society, The Supreme Court should have >>>>>> chosen the ICT experts from the ICT Industry body? >>>>>> >>>>>> My advice would be for the sector to take the lead and suggest how >>>>>> this need/gap of* "SKILLS RATING" standards etc.. *can be addressed. >>>>>> We are on the same side. If industry does not take the lead, then >>>>>> Government will step in. As it stands, industry has various bodies and you >>>>>> need to agree on how to engage amongst yourselves. We are going to be >>>>>> successful and so let us push in the same direction. >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally, today the official engagement between government and the ICT >>>>>> sector is through KEPSA <https://kepsa.or.ke/> . (KICTAnet, TESPOK, >>>>>> KITOS etc.. are members and even when we engaged on the ICT Practitioners >>>>>> bill, the sector was represented by KEPSA, when we met MPs). >>>>>> >>>>>> The last discussion on Tuesday 14th December 2017 between KEPSA and >>>>>> the Ministry covered the following topics; >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. ICT Policy >>>>>> 2. Kick-off Industry meetings >>>>>> 3. Bills / Opinions - ICT Practitioners Bill >>>>>> 4. PDTP <http://icta.go.ke/digitalent/> + Ajira Digital >>>>>> <http://ajiradigital.go.ke/> (Jobs) >>>>>> 5. Flagship Projects >>>>>> 6. Constituency Development Hubs >>>>>> <http://www.ict.go.ke/constituency-to-get-an-innovation-hub/> >>>>>> 7. ICTA Engagement with Counties >>>>>> 8. Enterprise Kenya >>>>>> 9. Blockchain >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 3:07 AM, Andrew Alston via kictanet < >>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So – having seen an article in the standardmedia in which elements >>>>>>> of what I stated below were quoted – and to which there seem to have been >>>>>>> responses – I now need to comment further: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (Article found at: https://www.standardmedia.co.k >>>>>>> e/business/article/2001263257/techies-oppose-move-to-introdu >>>>>>> ce-new-ict-watchdog) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Mucheru, however, denies that the Bill will lock out experts >>>>>>> without formal training insisting the reverse will be the case. “This Bill >>>>>>> will benefit the people who have been working in technical capacity for >>>>>>> years but have not acquired certificates,” he explained. “If they can >>>>>>> demonstrate their proficiency to the Institute then they can get certified >>>>>>> and widen the scope of jobs they can bid or apply for.” * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So – I have a question – What will be the method of demonstrating >>>>>>> proficiency and how will this be tested – and what will it cost – and how >>>>>>> long will it take. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now – let me break the questions down a bit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. The ICT field is vast – are you going to test proficiency in >>>>>>> programming? In networking? In security? In database administration? In >>>>>>> desktop support? In Linux? Freebsd? Microsoft? Solaris? AIX? What is the >>>>>>> test going to be – and who is going to administer these tests >>>>>>> 2. What makes an industry body more capable of testing >>>>>>> proficiency than Cisco, Juniper, Huawei or any of the other vendors – the >>>>>>> bill does **NOT** cater for industry standard certification >>>>>>> outside of formal education – it simply is not in there – and if you are >>>>>>> not going to accept these and are going to have this industry body >>>>>>> determine proficiency – we need to know how this will be done and how the >>>>>>> people testing proficiency will be qualified to do it – and in what fields >>>>>>> they are qualified to test proficiency. >>>>>>> 3. What is the cost of this testing of proficiency – does an >>>>>>> individual who has certified as a CCIE at the cost of thousands – and in >>>>>>> some cases tens of thousands – of dollars suddenly need to pay more to >>>>>>> demonstrate something that he has clearly already demonstrated? Who will it >>>>>>> be paid for? How will the money be utilized? Will this be included in the >>>>>>> license fee for the first year? Or will this suddenly cost extra so >>>>>>> someone can make some money? >>>>>>> 4. How does does it take to “demonstrate proficiency” – and if I >>>>>>> bring in someone from outside to train my staff in a new field of >>>>>>> technology – is he going to be made to sit some kind of exam? Or pay some >>>>>>> kind of fee before he can upskill Kenyans? Because – lets be real – that is >>>>>>> not going to happen – it will be the death of bringing in people to impart >>>>>>> knowledge. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let me be blunt – more than half the authors of the RFC’s within the >>>>>>> IETF would not qualify under the bill as it stands – this means they would >>>>>>> have to “demonstrate” their proficiency – despite the fact that they have >>>>>>> their names on Internet standards – and if people expect these individuals >>>>>>> to sit exams or prove to people that they know what they are doing – >>>>>>> despite the knowledge having been clearly demonstrated (which is why they >>>>>>> are being flown in in the first place, to train Kenyans in skills that are >>>>>>> not available in the country so that those Kenyans can continue to further >>>>>>> upskill and lift up the industry) – you can kiss goodbye to having cutting >>>>>>> edge people coming into this country – it simply won’t happen – and it will >>>>>>> be Kenya that loses out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then to comment on this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Mucheru adds that the Government has held several engagements with >>>>>>> practitioners in the sector on the provisions of the Bill. * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Correct – there was massive engagement – and the bill was largely >>>>>>> defeated after the industry said it was broken – after people on this list >>>>>>> said it was broken – after it was slammed left right and centre – so yes – >>>>>>> there was engagement – but the article is wrong about the fact that the >>>>>>> engagement agreed that this bill in its current form was a good idea or >>>>>>> represented the correct solution. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *“There was consensus that we need to establish a professional body >>>>>>> to regulate the industry,” he said. * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have no problem with the concept of a professional body – I have >>>>>>> major problems with forcing a situation where people who have potentially >>>>>>> decades of experience have to suddenly “prove” their skills via some >>>>>>> entirely undefined means at some undefined cost to a bunch of people who >>>>>>> may or may not have anywhere close to the experience or knowledge of the >>>>>>> person being tested. If we said that we had a professional body that people >>>>>>> could register to – and they needed to be registered – and in the event of >>>>>>> *substantiated* complaints the individual could be deregistered and >>>>>>> blacklisted – I would have no problem. It is the arbitrary and >>>>>>> unsubstantiated and undefined criteria for registration that I take >>>>>>> exception to – and that I believe could result in expensive legal >>>>>>> challenges. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please – do not get me wrong – I do not begrudge anyone who has a >>>>>>> desire to genuinely root out the bad apples and clean up the industry and >>>>>>> remove scam artists and fraudsters. I think that is a noble and pure >>>>>>> objective that should be pursued. I however dispute the fact that this >>>>>>> bill is the right way to go about it – and I dispute the fact that >>>>>>> university degrees have anything to do with competence in this industry – >>>>>>> particularly with the rate that technology evolves – because an individual >>>>>>> doing a 3 year degree who is learning specific technologies in his first >>>>>>> year – by the time he graduates – those technologies are history – and when >>>>>>> he walks into the industry – he is having to self study it all again >>>>>>> ANYWAY. Let me give you examples of technologies that did not exist a year >>>>>>> ago in any real form: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Segment routing – the foundation of network routing going >>>>>>> forward and the replacement to MPLS – how do I know this – because I’ve had >>>>>>> my hands in crafting the specifications and doing a lot of the beta testing >>>>>>> for it – so who is going to test proficiency here – it changes the game – >>>>>>> and the only people qualified to teach it – or gauge the proficiency in it >>>>>>> – do not themselves qualify under this bill to be registered. >>>>>>> 2. Network telemetry processing – first introduced in limited >>>>>>> form in Q3 2015 – and only now becoming main stream – but within a year of >>>>>>> it being main stream – it will replace standard network monitoring entirely >>>>>>> – who is going to teach that with a university degree? >>>>>>> 3. Which university degree teaches BGP? BGP-LU? ISIS? Network >>>>>>> segmentation? IPv6 addressing? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The list is endless – these are things that cannot be learnt through >>>>>>> a degree – they are learnt through industry standard certification or >>>>>>> self-skilling by reading documentation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, Mr Mucheru – please – do not read me wrong – I have tremendous >>>>>>> respect for the regulator in this country – and it is testament to how well >>>>>>> the Kenyan industry and the regulatory environment here works that today – >>>>>>> Kenya has higher average mobile broadband speeds than either the US or >>>>>>> South Africa or a lot of other places. It is testament to the regulatory >>>>>>> environment here that we have the high-speed networks we do – and that the >>>>>>> pricing is as low as it is – because the industry is competitive and open >>>>>>> and innovative. This list of things the regulator has gotten right in this >>>>>>> country is long - I do however plead with you, the bill as it stands would >>>>>>> break the industry that all of us – yourself – myself – and so many others >>>>>>> have worked so hard to build. I am NOT against a professional body – I am >>>>>>> NOT against formalizing things – but I beg you – do not walk down the road >>>>>>> of this current bill in its current form – it will be death to this >>>>>>> industry in this country. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Andrew Alston >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From: *Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston(a)liquidtelecom.com> >>>>>>> *Date: *Monday, 4 December 2017 at 01:24 >>>>>>> *To: *KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions <kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *Cc: *Liz Wanjiru <lizwanjiru(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>> *Subject: *RE: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have to say – personally I cannot think of a worse piece of >>>>>>> legislation that I have seen in recent history. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let us look at the net effects of this and the problems with it: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Large companies bring in consultants or external people where >>>>>>> necessary to supplement capacity, to train and upskill Kenyan staff etc, >>>>>>> while those guys are here, even for a week or two, they are compensated, >>>>>>> and my reading of this bill is – this would be illegal – because you’d have >>>>>>> to get every consultant you bring in accredited and licensed first – which >>>>>>> is impractical in the extreme >>>>>>> 2. The list of highly skilled people with 20+ years experience >>>>>>> who would not qualify for accreditation under this bill is extensive, >>>>>>> globally and within Kenya – this bill completely stops any form of >>>>>>> knowledge transfer from those individuals and in fact will force a >>>>>>> situation where Kenyan’s who wish to learn from some of the biggest names >>>>>>> in the industry would be forced to go internationally to get that >>>>>>> knowledge, rather than bringing those people in to train locally >>>>>>> 3. It forces Kenyans who have spent years learning and honing >>>>>>> their skills without university qualifications out of work and could well >>>>>>> result in large scale job losses looking at the number of highly skilled >>>>>>> individuals I know of who are working without qualifications >>>>>>> 4. It prevents private companies from making what are normal >>>>>>> business decisions – who they hire and who they pay. That is problematic >>>>>>> in the extreme – in any normal situation if a private company hires staff >>>>>>> that don’t perform – those staff either get fired or the market rejects the >>>>>>> company and the company disappears – standard market dynamics – in this >>>>>>> case – if a company finds extremely talented people they may be forced into >>>>>>> a position where they have to hire less skilled people because someone >>>>>>> can’t meet some accreditation requirement. >>>>>>> 5. The bill has no recognition of prior experience – no >>>>>>> recognition of those who have published papers and are world recognized >>>>>>> experts – does not specify what the “recognized” universities are – does >>>>>>> not take into account industry standard certification >>>>>>> (CISSP/CCNA/CCIE/CCDP/JNCIE/JNCIP/JNCIA, the list is endless) >>>>>>> 6. May well end up in the constitutional court when it deprives >>>>>>> a host of people who have spent their lives working in this industry and >>>>>>> have no other options for a career of the ability to earn a living >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The bill relies on the belief that a university qualification some >>>>>>> how makes you better than those without – it’s reasoning that has been >>>>>>> disproved globally for years and years and years – and it flies in the face >>>>>>> of the global industry and the way the ICT industry has worked since the >>>>>>> day it began. It is damaging to the industry in Kenya – it is damaging to >>>>>>> the growth prospects of the economy as a result – it is damaging to the >>>>>>> people of Kenya – and it will destroy the position that Kenya is in as one >>>>>>> of the leaders of the ICT industry on the continent (Kenya already has the >>>>>>> highest average broadband speeds on the continent and significantly better >>>>>>> ICT infrastructure than you will find even in South Africa – it is doing so >>>>>>> well – why break a system that is proving functional?) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I really hope this does not pass – and if it does – will be curious >>>>>>> to see the court challenges and how they play out – but I think this is >>>>>>> madness personally – and in the name of stopping a few bad individuals – >>>>>>> penalizes the entire country and will destroy an industry that employs >>>>>>> thousands. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Andrew >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* kictanet [mailto:kictanet-bounces+andrew.alston= >>>>>>> liquidtelecom.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke] *On Behalf Of *Liz Wanjiru >>>>>>> via kictanet >>>>>>> *Sent:* 04 December 2017 06:43 >>>>>>> *To:* Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston(a)liquidtelecom.com> >>>>>>> *Cc:* Liz Wanjiru <lizwanjiru(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [kictanet] ict practitioners bill is back >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While trying to push such laws shouldn't they be looking at >>>>>>> credentialing people without formal ICT schooling but have the experience, >>>>>>> knowledge and skills to back them? These people have talent and positively >>>>>>> contribute in the industry. Some countries have learning institutions >>>>>>> credentialing professionals based on their body of work and so long as they >>>>>>> can demonstrate this they are awarded the degrees or other government >>>>>>> approved certifications. Here is an example of such >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Link >>>>>>> <http://www.ara.ac.nz/study-options/centre-for-assessment-of-prior-learning-…> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Liz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Ahmed Mohamed Maawy via kictanet < >>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wonder how some of the ground breaking technology companies - such >>>>>>> as for instance Google Kenya, can operate if this bill is passed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Watila Alex via kictanet < >>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> EricKigada: Kenya’s controversial ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 to be tabled in parliament again >>>>>>> >>>>>>> techmoran.com/kenyas-controv… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://twitter.com/EricKigada/status/937309893954031616 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>>>>>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>>>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >>>>>>> ailman/options/kictanet/ultimateprogramer%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >>>>>>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy >>>>>>> and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>>>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >>>>>>> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >>>>>>> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect >>>>>>> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Ahmed Maawy* >>>>>>> Head of Corporate Products - Al Jazeera Media Network >>>>>>> Skype: ultimateprogramer >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>>>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >>>>>>> ailman/options/kictanet/lizwanjiru%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >>>>>>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy >>>>>>> and regulation. The network aims to act as a catalyst for reform in the ICT >>>>>>> sector in support of the national aim of ICT enabled growth and development. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> KICTANetiquette : Adhere to the same standards of acceptable >>>>>>> behaviors online that you follow in real life: respect people's times and >>>>>>> bandwidth, share knowledge, don't flame or abuse or personalize, respect >>>>>>> privacy, do not spam, do not market your wares or qualifications. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kind Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Liz Wanjiru >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> kictanet mailing list >>>>>>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>>>>>> https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/kictanet >>>>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/KICTANet/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Unsubscribe or change your options at https://lists.kictanet.or.ke/m >>>>>>> ailman/options/kictanet/joe%40mucheru.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Kenya ICT Action Network (KICTANet) is a multi-stakeholder >>>>>>> platform for people and institutions interested and involved in ICT policy >>>>>>> and regulation. 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