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[Fwd: [AfriNIC-rpd] AfriNIC-8/AfNOG2008: Registration is now open]
by alice 25 Mar '08

25 Mar '08

Dear all FYI -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [AfriNIC-rpd] AfriNIC-8/AfNOG2008: Registration is now open Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 20:37:30 +0200 From: radha(a)afrinic.net <radha(a)afrinic.net> Reply-To: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd(a)afrinic.net> To: undisclosed-recipients:; [*Apologies for any duplicate mails*] Dear Colleagues, AfriNIC invites you to attend the 8th AfriNIC Open Policy Meeting which will be held in conjunction with AfNOG 2008 from 24 May to 06 June 2008 in Rabat, Morocco. AfriNIC Meetings are open to everyone and provide an excellent opportunity to take part in Internet policy discussions in the African region. Workshop and Meeting ----------------------- The Workshop and all Tutorials will be held at the EMI (Mohammadia Engineering Institute) from 24 May - 2 June 2008. All meetings from 3 - 6 June will be held at the Golden Tulip Farah Hotel. For more details, please see http://www.afrinic.net/meeting/afrinic-8/index.htm AfriNIC-8/AfNOG2008 Registration ----------------------------------- Online Meeting Registration is now open. Please visit: http://www.afrinic.net/meeting/afrinic-8/registration.htm AfriNIC fellowship --------------------- The fellowship programme is reserved for representatives from small organisations actively involved in Internet Operations or ICT Policies in their respective countries and the community and who can positively and actively contribute to IP address management awareness in the AfriNIC region of service. If you are interested in applying for an AfriNIC fellowship, please visit the fellowship section at http://www.afrinic.net/meeting/afrinic-8/index.htm The deadline for applications is 15 April, 2008. Sponsorship opportunities ---------------------------- Sponsoring an AfriNIC meeting will provide you with a range of opportunities to expose your organisation to the African Internet community. If your organisation is interested in participating in the sponsoring of AfriNIC-8, please visit the sponsorship section at http://www.afrinic.net/meeting/afrinic-8/index.htm Visa information ------------------- Some meeting attendees may require a visa to visit Morocco. For your invitation letter, please send the following details (name as on passport, passport no, date of issue and expiry, nationality) to invit-ltt(a)afrinic.net. Please feel free to contact our Meeting Team at meeting(a)afrinic.net for any query or assistance. We look forward to seeing you in Rabat. Regards, AfriNIC Meeting Team See you at AfriNIC-8, Rabat, Morocco, 31 May - 06 June, 2008 _______________________________________________ rpd mailing list rpd(a)afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd

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Looming opportunity for Learning / IT Professional
by Patrick Mburu 25 Mar '08

25 Mar '08

Dear Colleagues, There is an opportunity that is urgently required for those of us in the business of Learning + Development / E-Learning / IT Project Management arena; Unfortunately i am engaged in a similar activity and cannot take on the task; Do you know anyone who fits on the below profile? The assignment will be in Rome, Italy on a short term contract with one of the UN Bodies *Brief:* Project Management Experience with Training background, to work on Global Needs Assessment programme; Must have elearning content design / implementation experience and is familiar with Learning Management systems as this will be the platform that all of the above will be linked to. If you know of someone, please send CV's through to me; Thanks in advance. Patrick Mburu

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ATTN: ICT BOARD MEMBER/S IN THIS LIST( SayNo to OOXML)
by Judy Okite 25 Mar '08

25 Mar '08

Dear Colleagues, I have been deeply grieved by the silence that has surrounded,this matter...How do we talk about growth and development in ICT,if we do not talk about software? A few questions that I have for the Board and a response will be highly appreciated: 1.what steps have the ICT BOARD taken in regard to the matter,on the link below. http://www.noooxml.org/ having in mind that it is less than a week...to final decision 2.What is Kenya's,position? More voice to this reason http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080312151954507 Kind Regards, -- Judy Ann Okite, +254-721237507,+254-734252336 P.O. BOX 2228 00100, NAIROBI,KENYA. 'Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. ' Martin Luther King, Jr.

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OOXML Meeting
by Dorcas Muthoni 25 Mar '08

25 Mar '08

*Date:* 27th March 2008 *Venue:* KEBS, Popo Road, Off Mombasa Road *Time:* 9.00am *Who can attend: *People concerned about the standard ( for or against, to understand) *Main events at the meeting: * The final position of Kenya with regard to the OOXML standard will be agreed. -- Muthoni My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:- First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!

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Re: [kictanet] OOXML: Why Kenya Should Vote NO
by Dorcas Muthoni 25 Mar '08

25 Mar '08

Thanks Eunice, Coming from the ICT Board, i believe it would be nice to share your comments with the list. On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Eunice Mueni Kariuki < eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke> wrote: > This is excellent interms of educating the public on matters of ICT > especially those that affect thier daily ICT lives directly or indirectly. > I am sure many will agree with you and is indeed inline with the mandate of the ICT Board. > However, in the last topic (Why Kenya should say No) > - point no. 3 - I am not convinced that microsoft has what it takes to do > what you say they did. I am also not convinced that those responsible for > forming that committee would fall for this implied trick. Indeed it would be > sad and they should not be in office. > I will refer you to the committee to investigate its composition. KEBS should give you a list of the membership. It was an issue then and it is till now. > > On point no. 4, it would have been helpful if you provided details of > actual propriatory rights. > There is lots of information on this; A quick reference is http://www.noooxml.org/patents. Otherwise I am confused because your email implies that Microsoft also > compromised the ISO body to approve OOXML as a parallel standard! > I just stated things as they are. Its many times that Microsoft has been found to go about things in a skewed manner. A case in point is for example the signing of MOUs with government ministries in pursuit of their business interests. This already happened in Kenya with th Ministry of Education and i hope the ICT board will objectively look at this matter. Muthoni If this were the case then that body does not deserve that office > Just Keeping an open mind.. > > > Eunice > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Dorcas Muthoni <dmuthoni(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > *What is an Office Document Standard* > > > > A standard file format that would allow office documents such as > > spreadsheets and word processing files to be opened by applications from > > different vendors. > > > > *Why Open Standards > > > > *Creating an open office file format suggests that documents created in > > an application that supports that file format could be opened in other > > applications that support it as well. E.g. A document written using > > OpenOffice for example, could be opened in Ms Office without affecting the > > layout or formatting. > > > > With an open standard; > > > > - You can choose any operating system or application and still be > > able to read and edit all your old documents e.g. whether it is > > Windows, Macintosh, Linux, Unix. > > - You can collaborate with others regardless of which software > > they are using e.g. whether it is LotusNotes, OpenOffice, Ms > > Office, StarOffice, GoogleApps . > > - You can use any software of your choice to exchange documents > > within your organization, with your clients, partners, government and > > everyone else. > > > > The goal of an open standard is to free corporate data from proprietary > > file formats so they can be accessed for years to come no matter what office > > software a company or government is using. Companies and governments are > > currently saving data in proprietary file formats, such as those written in > > Microsoft's Office software (.doc, .xls, .ppt, and lately .docx, .xlsx, > > .pptx), and locking themselves into using that software indefinitely. > > > > A relative example is, we all develop our websites and expect to > > successfully access them using various browser software (Mozilla Firefox, > > Netscape, Safari, Internet Explorer etc). We successfully manage to do this > > because of HTML, XML and Browser open standardization. > > > > The same should happen for office documents and hence definition of open > > document standards. > > > > *What is ODF* > > > > ODF(OpenDocument Format) an ISO standard created with the aim to provide > > an open XML-based document file format for office applications to be used > > for documents containing text, spreadsheets, charts, and graphical elements. > > ODF is defined via an open and transparent process at OASIS ( The > > Organization for the Advancement of Structured Information Standards) > > and has been approved unanimously by the International Organization for > > Standardization (ISO) and the International Electrotechnical Commission > > (IEC) as an international standard in May 2006. Instead of trying to > > reinvent the wheel ODF reuses established standards like HTML, SVG, XSL, > > SMIL, XLink, XForms, MathML, and Dublin Core. > > > > ODF leaves space for all present and future vendors do implement it and > > makes sure that end users won't suffer from any sort of vendor lock-in. In > > contrast to earlier used binary formats which were cryptic and difficult to > > process, ODF's use of XML makes accessing the document content simple. > > > > ODF guarantees long-term viability. The OASIS ODF TC, the OASIS ODF > > Adoption TC, and the ODF Alliance include members from Adobe, BBC, EDS, EMC, > > GNOME, Google, IBM, Intel, KDE, Novell, Oracle, Red Hat, Software AG and Sun > > Microsystems. Since June 2006 the ODF Alliance has already more than 300 > > members. > > > > *What is OOXML* > > > > A format proposed by Microsoft that comes closest to ODF in function, > > but it fails the test for an Open Standard in various ways, including an > > unclear legal status as well as inclusion of and reference to proprietary > > technologies. It has all signs of a vendor-specific format that only > > Microsoft will be able to implement completely. > > > > Microsoft, which dominates the office software market with its Office > > suite, is a member of OASIS and was fully aware of the technical > > committee that came up with ODF. However, they opted to make Ms Office 2007 heavily > > reliant on XML and also initiated a parallel technical committee to develop > > a standard file format the MS OOXML. > > > > Ms Office 2007 *does not* support ODF. What Microsoft has done is to > > push MS OOXML through a fast track process to have the standard certified by > > ISO. The standard is being reviewed by technical committees (TC) formed > > through national standards bodies. The TCs pass a vote through a ballot > > process. The ballot resolutions are then forwarded to ISO, if the outcome is > > greater support for MS OOXML, then the standard will be passed. > > > > > > *Why should we reject a proprietary standard like OOXML > > > > * > > > > 1. We live in a digital age where paper documents increasingly get > > replaced by electronic records. We may even see the day we no longer use > > paper and pen to keep records. In this situation long-term data becomes > > critical. This is especially the case for legal contracts and government > > documents which stay valid and relevant over decades, or even centuries. > > Just like there were many vendors supplying paper and pens through out the > > history, and not a single one, so do these formats and applications which > > are used to make them need to be vendor independent. That is the only > > guanrantee of long-term access to data, even if companies disappear, change > > their strategies or dramatically raise their prices. > > 2. The Kenyan technical committee (hosted by KEBS) reviewing the > > MS OOXML standard was inappropriately constituted and is highly imbalanced. > > Microsoft recommended business partners to this committee and the first vote > > returned a yes resolution because of this imbalance. On March 19th 2008, the > > committee passed an Abstain resolution which Microsoft is now strongly > > appealing against. > > 3. Further, the MS OOXML standard is defined in 6,000+ pages and > > with the fast track process, it is barely possible to review the standard > > comprehensively. This standard must be reviewed via the regular standard > > process. > > 4. MS OOXML is a proposed parallel standard without a > > justification. > > 5. *OOXML has patent issues* > > > > For all those with questions, feel free to ask. > > > > -- > > Muthoni > > > > My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ > > -------------------------------------------- > > Mahatma Gandhi once said:- > > > > First they ignore you, > > Then they laugh at you, > > Then they fight you, > > AND THEN YOU WIN!!! > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > This message was sent to: eunicekariuki(a)ict.go.ke > > Unsubscribe or change your options at > > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eunicekariuki%40ict.go… > > > > > > > -- > We have moved to CCK. > > Eunice Mueni Kariuki > Kenya ICT Board > Nairobi, Kenya > > alternative address. eunice.kariuki(a)hotmail.go.ke -- Muthoni My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:- First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!

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OOXML: Why Kenya Should Vote NO
by Dorcas Muthoni 25 Mar '08

25 Mar '08

*What is an Office Document Standard* A standard file format that would allow office documents such as spreadsheets and word processing files to be opened by applications from different vendors. *Why Open Standards * Creating an open office file format suggests that documents created in an application that supports that file format could be opened in other applications that support it as well. E.g. A document written using OpenOffice for example, could be opened in Ms Office without affecting the layout or formatting. With an open standard; - You can choose any operating system or application and still be able to read and edit all your old documents e.g. whether it is Windows, Macintosh, Linux, Unix. - You can collaborate with others regardless of which software they are using e.g. whether it is LotusNotes, OpenOffice, Ms Office, StarOffice, GoogleApps . - You can use any software of your choice to exchange documents within your organization, with your clients, partners, government and everyone else. The goal of an open standard is to free corporate data from proprietary file formats so they can be accessed for years to come no matter what office software a company or government is using. Companies and governments are currently saving data in proprietary file formats, such as those written in Microsoft's Office software (.doc, .xls, .ppt, and lately .docx, .xlsx, .pptx), and locking themselves into using that software indefinitely. A relative example is, we all develop our websites and expect to successfully access them using various browser software (Mozilla Firefox, Netscape, Safari, Internet Explorer etc). We successfully manage to do this because of HTML, XML and Browser open standardization. The same should happen for office documents and hence definition of open document standards. *What is ODF* ODF(OpenDocument Format) an ISO standard created with the aim to provide an open XML-based document file format for office applications to be used for documents containing text, spreadsheets, charts, and graphical elements. ODF is defined via an open and transparent process at OASIS ( The Organization for the Advancement of Structured Information Standards) and has been approved unanimously by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) and the International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC) as an international standard in May 2006. Instead of trying to reinvent the wheel ODF reuses established standards like HTML, SVG, XSL, SMIL, XLink, XForms, MathML, and Dublin Core. ODF leaves space for all present and future vendors do implement it and makes sure that end users won't suffer from any sort of vendor lock-in. In contrast to earlier used binary formats which were cryptic and difficult to process, ODF's use of XML makes accessing the document content simple. ODF guarantees long-term viability. The OASIS ODF TC, the OASIS ODF Adoption TC, and the ODF Alliance include members from Adobe, BBC, EDS, EMC, GNOME, Google, IBM, Intel, KDE, Novell, Oracle, Red Hat, Software AG and Sun Microsystems. Since June 2006 the ODF Alliance has already more than 300 members. *What is OOXML* A format proposed by Microsoft that comes closest to ODF in function, but it fails the test for an Open Standard in various ways, including an unclear legal status as well as inclusion of and reference to proprietary technologies. It has all signs of a vendor-specific format that only Microsoft will be able to implement completely. Microsoft, which dominates the office software market with its Office suite, is a member of OASIS and was fully aware of the technical committee that came up with ODF. However, they opted to make Ms Office 2007 heavily reliant on XML and also initiated a parallel technical committee to develop a standard file format the MS OOXML. Ms Office 2007 *does not* support ODF. What Microsoft has done is to push MS OOXML through a fast track process to have the standard certified by ISO. The standard is being reviewed by technical committees (TC) formed through national standards bodies. The TCs pass a vote through a ballot process. The ballot resolutions are then forwarded to ISO, if the outcome is greater support for MS OOXML, then the standard will be passed. *Why should we reject a proprietary standard like OOXML * 1. We live in a digital age where paper documents increasingly get replaced by electronic records. We may even see the day we no longer use paper and pen to keep records. In this situation long-term data becomes critical. This is especially the case for legal contracts and government documents which stay valid and relevant over decades, or even centuries. Just like there were many vendors supplying paper and pens through out the history, and not a single one, so do these formats and applications which are used to make them need to be vendor independent. That is the only guanrantee of long-term access to data, even if companies disappear, change their strategies or dramatically raise their prices. 2. The Kenyan technical committee (hosted by KEBS) reviewing the MS OOXML standard was inappropriately constituted and is highly imbalanced. Microsoft recommended business partners to this committee and the first vote returned a yes resolution because of this imbalance. On March 19th 2008, the committee passed an Abstain resolution which Microsoft is now strongly appealing against. 3. Further, the MS OOXML standard is defined in 6,000+ pages and with the fast track process, it is barely possible to review the standard comprehensively. This standard must be reviewed via the regular standard process. 4. MS OOXML is a proposed parallel standard without a justification. 5. *OOXML has patent issues* For all those with questions, feel free to ask. -- Muthoni My Blog: http://rugongo.blogspot.com/ -------------------------------------------- Mahatma Gandhi once said:- First they ignore you, Then they laugh at you, Then they fight you, AND THEN YOU WIN!!!

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e-Learning Training opportunities
by Gakiria 25 Mar '08

25 Mar '08

Dear All, Attached is a call for nominations to inWEnt regional training courses on e-Learning organized by the Namibia Open Learning Network. Please circulate to your networks in East Africa. Regards Andrew

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Re: [kictanet] Just A Thought!
by David Makali 25 Mar '08

25 Mar '08

Folks, I think the person who offered that job of 8k should be congratulated. S/he is an entrepreneur. Jobs are offered to willing takers and i suppose as we go on an on here, there are already applicants or the slots have already been filled. I don't understand what this whole saga is about: how many of you ventilating on this offer pay your house helps that amount? Yet they most likely work more hours? And guards? Maurice is spot on: pay has to be relative to the income generated. Its take it or leave it. That is not to advocate prejudice or injustice; its being pragmatic in today's world. Lets move on. David --- Maurice Barasa <barazam(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The 8K/month is really low considering the high cost > of living we experience in Kenya. Maybe we can try > and advice the Cyber guy and others who may be in > this forum that have plans to start by considering > the numbers they operate on. > > As stated the Cyber has 8 computer and its open 12.5 > hours. This means that if the cyber has all the > eight computer being paid for at an average of 7 Hrs > a day coz not guaranteed that the computers will be > running all thro, then the computers will earn a > monthly average of KES 80640 (running for an average > of 24 days a month X 8 hrs/day * 60KES/hr since > assumed the Christian lady will be allowed a Sunday > off and they charge 1KES/Min.) and then assumed > there are other things like printing and > photocopying >KES10000 making it a total of 90K > Subtracting the costs before salary, say rent, ISP > charges.... assuming its 40K (advice if wrong), > meaning the net is around 50K, > > What would be the expected salary for the attendant > considering that the owner also needs to make some > profit? > > > Have a thoughtful day, > > Maurice > > > From: catherine ongoro > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 10:29 AM > To: kaziafrika(a)googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Just A Thought! > > > Hi all, > I disagree with Dan. The problem wasn't with the > phrase which in my view is very o.k. The problem is > with the specs that is christian (what about > qualified Kenyans from one of the very many > religious followings we have in Kenya?)and the 12.5 > working hrs for Kes. 8,000.00. > > Catherine. > > > dan chira <danchira2004(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Wanakazi, > > If you read the original email, the guy's opening > remarks were: > > "sambaza the following slot. There are hundreds of > able people who qualify and yet they don't have > access to internet, so people should speak of this > vacancies with their friends who don't have access > to Internet. Most of the online applicants I have > come across are people who have options, either they > want to switch jobs etc and so the real needy person > is locked away. So guys be kind to involve those > guys who even can't access Kaziafrica... > > > I think most of the people who acted emotionally > didnt understand the phrase, and they went ahead to > "lock" other people a vancacy that can change their > lifes! > > Just a thought!!! > > Danny > > -- > Real Men Fear God! > See No Evil,Hear No Evil,Say No Evil. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > > > > > _______________ "If my doctor told me I had only six minutes to live, I wouldn't brood. I'd type a little faster." -- Isaac Asimo, Columbian Author and Scientist _______________ PO Box 3234 00200 Nairobi, Kenya cell: +254 722 517 540 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ YOU ARE IN KAZI AFRIKA GROUP UNSUBSCRIBE: kaziafrika-unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com http://groups.google.com/group/kaziafrika?hl=en www.kazi-africa.com FOR A VERY PEACEFUL KENYA -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---

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Kenya in dilemma over transfer of Teams shares to private investors
by Alex Gakuru 25 Mar '08

25 Mar '08

Smell something fishy.... <snip> The history of the opening up of the telecommunications sector is littered with cases of manipulation of privatisation to allow insiders and connected operatives to acquire shares they have not paid for. To date, the true owners of an entity by the name Mobitelea Ventures Ltd that indirectly owns a 10 per cent stake in the countrys first ever GSM mobile phone operator, Safaricom Ltd, remains unknown. The investor was procured under the old and opaque privatisation regime. In the case of Teams, the government last year procured 12 investors who will be allotted shares when the cable goes into operation. Although most of the companies allotted shares are well-known telecommunication companies, a number are nevertheless names that dont resonate. The lions share of the company has been allocated to Safaricom Ltd a 20 per cent stake. In the second category are Econet Wireless Kenya Ltd (10 per cent), France Telecom (10 per cent), Kenya Data Networks (10 per cent), Wananchi Telecom Ltd (10 per cent), Telkom Kenya (10 per cent), Jamii Telecom (3.75 per cent) and Gilat Satcom (1.25 per cent). The last category are names that are not too well-known, including an entity by the name Equip Ltd (1.25 per cent), Internet Research (1.25 per cent) and Inhand Ltd (1.25 per cent). The government will retain a 20 per cent stake in the company. Under the present arrangement, the chosen investors must pay 5 per cent of the projects funding requirement of $110 million, which will be put in an escrow account at Standard Chartered Bank of Kenya Ltd. The balance of what they are expected to pay is to be remitted when the parties consummate both a share-subscription agreement and a shareholders agreement in April. Contrary to the general impression, Etisalat of the UAE has no direct shareholding in Teams. What it has signed with the government is a construction and maintenance agreement and a supply contract. Whichever way one looks at it, these investors must be laughing all the way to the bank, having clinched a very sweet deal indeed. Major telecommunications operators and consumers of bandwidth whose names do not appear on the investors list may find it difficult to compete. The investors will be acquiring shares of the asset at the nominal value of $110 million, but its market price is bound to hit the roof once the company starts commercial operations. In a sense, the Teams model runs contrary to the conventional model of funding what is known as consortium cables where entities come together to fund a proportion of development cost and share the construction risk, and are allocated capacity depending on their commitment at all these stages. In this case, it is the Kenya government that has paid for the feasibility studies as well as the cost of the marine survey and engaging Standard Chartered Bank as the financial arrangers to the project. The government is the one carrying the construction risk of the project, meaning that if construction is delayed right now, it is the one that will bear the extra cost burden. With a new privatisation regime having taken effect in January, and the process of transferring the shares to private entities still outstanding, the Treasury must now make a decision on the route to take. According to the Act, all privatisation transactions must be handled according to the new law. Upon coming into operation of the Act, the commission shall take over the implementation and management of any ongoing process leading to a privatisation, says section 52 of the Privatisation Act. However, the same law also says that a privatisation process that is ongoing should not be reversed to the detriment of any party..... <http://www.nationmedia.com/eastafrican/current/News/news170320081.htm> ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping

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Re: [kictanet] WHO OWNS MOBITELEA ?
by dmakali＠yahoo.com 24 Mar '08

24 Mar '08

Absolutely. We can't allow this to pass! No way. Gideon, moi, marsham and biwott must pay up or surrender mobitelea shares to the public. Even if the judiciary is weak, this grand fraud is too much. Nor shud it escape even with a grand coalition. David Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "Robert Alai" <alai.robert(a)gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 07:16:01 To:"Kazi Africa" <Kaziafrika(a)googlegroups.com> Subject: WHO OWNS MOBITELEA ? Wanakazi The misterious Mobitelea owner is going to make a whooping 10 billion for just a corrupt deal they did with Moi. Now we must really know more about Mobitelea and not putting the matter in the open is just not going to work. Read more on http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=117&posted=1#post117 <http://www.wananchiforums.com/showthread.php?p=117&posted=1#post117> Robert --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ YOU ARE IN KAZI AFRIKA GROUP UNSUBSCRIBE: kaziafrika-unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com http://groups.google.com/group/kaziafrika?hl=en www.kazi-africa.com FOR A VERY PEACEFUL KENYA -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---

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