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Stakeholders
by Lobore Junior 16 Dec '08

16 Dec '08

Guys, Who are Stakeholder? insofar as this media bill is concern ? does it only affect the operations of MP's and media owners ?, are leaving out others , Oh yes.and I have always reiterated that Nairobi is not kenya but part of it and isues that affects all kenya should be given enough time. MP's should consult their constituents on such crucial matters.. by the way this is not the first time, this guys are failing us. its becoming routine. back to my questions, who are the stakeholders? Regards. Loa.

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KCA Ammendment, moving forward
by Harry Hare 16 Dec '08

16 Dec '08

Dear All, I think it will add a lot of value if people paused for a bit and spend sometime to educate themselves on the clauses of the bill before commenting on it. Making suggestions and comments based on inaccurate media reports will not add value to this debate. I think what we are seeing is the complexity of legislating in a converged environment. As much as technologies have converged, the legal environment is yet to catch up and so are the stakeholders. Those in the know have been advising that the bill has too much scope and therefore too many stakeholders making it very difficult to steer through with all the stakeholders maintaining interest and therefore participate fully in the consultations. For instance, the ICT stakeholders want the bill through because it makes sense to them, but not our brothers and sisters from the forth estate. So how do we move forward? I think, we need to convince our media colleagues that there is no malice in the bill and they are not targeted. Let the President sign the bill in its current form but agree on a programme for an immediate amendment (just like the proposed programme on the e-Transactions section), pulling out all the media/broadcast clauses into a separate bill. So the sector will then have 3 separate bills, the Kenya Communication Amendment Bill, the e-Transactions Bill and the Media Bill. The convergence route is trendy and interesting but the reality at the moment is, we may not be able to effectively engage all the stakeholders and have a law that cuts across everything, which unfortunately is the nature of ICT. Kindest Regards Harry African eDevelopment Resource Centre eDevelopment House : : 604 Limuru Road Old Muthaiga : : P O Box 49475 00100 Nairobi : : Kenya T +254 20 3741646/7 : : C +254 725 650044 Training : : Research : : Consultancy

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Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications (amendment) Bill: Is media overacting?
by Wainaina Mungai 16 Dec '08

16 Dec '08

David, I am very much involved the media and you & I know that it was agreed that the Action Plan includes a "blackout to..." as well as all the issues I indicated.The point is clear. I have told the truth relating to the content of the Action Plan. The question of execution is separate. Ndemo having been on K24 is does not change much but it is not in line with the Action Plan....meaning, we need to complement K24 for that step. Let's be honest in our submissions especially concerning such revelations. Wainaina On 12/14/08, dmakali(a)yahoo.com <dmakali(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > That's not true. You have obviously exaggerated in trying to put across your > cheap propaganda. Ndemo was on k24 this morning and he was of course not > opposing the bill. Plus, you should ask yourself, who has come out to > support the bill and not been given airtime. > Yes, the media is campaigning, but it has not yet agreed or employed any of > the strategies you have listed. Their time is coming. And we don't need to > go to previous regimes to show brutal attacks against the media. The worst > have taken place under the current regime! > You have more to be grateful than disgusted with the media. Be just a little > more reflective and considerate otherwise your diabolical hatred of the > media lacks foundation. > David > Sent from my BlackBerry(R) wireless device > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Wainaina Mungai" <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> > > Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:08:09 > To: <dmakali(a)yahoo.com> > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> > Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications (amendment) > Bill: Is media overacting? > > > The truth is that the "supporters" you see on TV, hear on radio, read > in papers are not by accident. The Media Owners Association (MoA) > crafted a campaign strategy that includes the "media blackout to all > MPs who supported the Bill and The Ministry of Information & > Communications". > > According to persons privy to the media campaign strategy, we have a > big problem here and it's about time Kenyans were told the objective > truth. Unfortunately, the people who own the media houses are > determined to use every possible means to ensure the Bill is not > signed. You will not hear a supporter of the Bill being given > coverage. > > Why? > > The strategy is clearly not intended to yield an objective result. The > intention is to shape public opinion even through biased reporting. > The strategy includes: > > 1. Ensure President dioesn't sign the Bill, by publicly petitioning him. > 2. Take advantage of Jamhuri Day to show images of raids conducted by > previous regimes. > 3. Run a media campaign that includes 'same headline' in all papers > and similar headlines on electronic media. > 4. Shape public opinion through campains and show that the Bill is > unconstitutional...etc etc > 5. Blackout all supporters of the Bill, Ministry & only invite civil > society players who support the interests of the media. Keep watching > and you'll notice the biased reporting. > 6. The coverage of the issue in the weekend papers (circulation) is > also part of the strategy. This will not stop until the President > yields to the Media's agenda. > > The media has the right to petition the President but the problem with > their campaign is that Media Owners have actually agreed not to cover > the issue objectively. They have conspired to shape public opinion by > all possible means including excluding all those who have a different > opinion. > > In doing so, they demonstrate the need for legislative regulation. The > nation is now at the mercy of the media and the public will only be > fed with one side of the story. > > Over to you. > Wainaina > > > On 12/14/08, Kinuthia Muchane <muchanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Habari, >> Maybe the media is overacting, maybe the the MPs are wrong... But one >> interesting thing about this issue is the timidity of the MPs, to begin >> with, in the news all I am hearing are our dear elected representatives >> vowing their undying support for all sorts of freedom, including that of >> Press, so my question is, isn't there one, single MP who supported >> passing of the Bill who can come out in defence of his or her stand? Or >> is it because they always pander to the Press, they do not want to be >> seen in 'bad' light . >> >> On the other hand, most of us take what we hear on the radio or watch on >> TV as gospel truth, and the unfortunate fact of life is that the >> majority of us have no other source of information, or do not seek other >> avenues of >> getting information, a fact very well >> known by members of the so called "Fourth Estate". So when they drench >> us with "details" about the dangers of the bill's amendment no matter how >> skewed their >> opinion is, we will believe them hook, line and sinker! >> If you ask me, in a country like ours with a very shaky social, >> political and economic foundation, these merchants of >> "information" should be very closely and regularly monitored, a Radio >> Mille Collines can happen here very easily... >> In any case, ain't all these media 'houses' just commercial enterprises >> out to make a tidy profit? >> >> Kinuthia... >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ke-internetusers mailing list >> ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net >> http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers >> > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > --- > http://www.bungesms.com > > TWITTER - http://www.twitter.com/bungesms > > KABISSA.org - > http://www.kabissa.org/about/news/member-spotlight-made-kenya-network > > KAMPALA Workshop presentation - > http://m4d.kcl.co.ug/sites/default/files/presentations/BungeSMS_MadeinKenya… > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: dmakali(a)yahoo.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/dmakali%40yahoo.com > -- Sent from my mobile device --- http://www.bungesms.com TWITTER - http://www.twitter.com/bungesms KABISSA.org - http://www.kabissa.org/about/news/member-spotlight-made-kenya-network KAMPALA Workshop presentation - http://m4d.kcl.co.ug/sites/default/files/presentations/BungeSMS_MadeinKenya…

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ICT bill discussion
by aki 16 Dec '08

16 Dec '08

After a few days of reading the draft bill in relation to ICT sections 42-86, I wish to commend the various players, ict professionals for the excellent points contained in the bill which are stepping stones for further development. However, I'd like to make some comments about sections require better definitions in the near future or if possible amendments before it became law. Due to the nature of the vagueness, the laws can be exploited by self interpretations and could lead to misuse. If I may list these ( going by the draft as I do not have the final version ) : - Section 57 : More specifics needed - Section 61 to 67 : computer related and security. Is this about public or private networks and computers/servers connected to these? There is no provision in the bill that public sector/ private sector who deal with financials, senstitive info etc must comply with tougher systems that are not easily broken into or abused. This must be a two way street. How easily a system can be compromised depends on how well it is defended with appropriate technology. - Section 69 : More specifics needed - Section 70 : More specifics needed - Section 71 : More specifics needed - Section 73 : More specifics needed, similar to 61-67,70 - Section 74, 75 : More specifics needed Also not covered is data co-location services that should be mandatory for public sector and possibly private sector that hold financial, public databases and records incase of fire/theft or "sudden" disappearences. Clarity on paper would make the bill a huge success within the ICT portions. With Rgds.

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Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications (amendment) Bill: Is media overacting?
by Wainaina Mungai 16 Dec '08

16 Dec '08

The truth is that the "supporters" you see on TV, hear on radio, read in papers are not by accident. The Media Owners Association (MoA) crafted a campaign strategy that includes the "media blackout to all MPs who supported the Bill and The Ministry of Information & Communications". According to persons privy to the media campaign strategy, we have a big problem here and it's about time Kenyans were told the objective truth. Unfortunately, the people who own the media houses are determined to use every possible means to ensure the Bill is not signed. You will not hear a supporter of the Bill being given coverage. Why? The strategy is clearly not intended to yield an objective result. The intention is to shape public opinion even through biased reporting. The strategy includes: 1. Ensure President dioesn't sign the Bill, by publicly petitioning him. 2. Take advantage of Jamhuri Day to show images of raids conducted by previous regimes. 3. Run a media campaign that includes 'same headline' in all papers and similar headlines on electronic media. 4. Shape public opinion through campains and show that the Bill is unconstitutional...etc etc 5. Blackout all supporters of the Bill, Ministry & only invite civil society players who support the interests of the media. Keep watching and you'll notice the biased reporting. 6. The coverage of the issue in the weekend papers (circulation) is also part of the strategy. This will not stop until the President yields to the Media's agenda. The media has the right to petition the President but the problem with their campaign is that Media Owners have actually agreed not to cover the issue objectively. They have conspired to shape public opinion by all possible means including excluding all those who have a different opinion. In doing so, they demonstrate the need for legislative regulation. The nation is now at the mercy of the media and the public will only be fed with one side of the story. Over to you. Wainaina On 12/14/08, Kinuthia Muchane <muchanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Habari, > Maybe the media is overacting, maybe the the MPs are wrong... But one > interesting thing about this issue is the timidity of the MPs, to begin > with, in the news all I am hearing are our dear elected representatives > vowing their undying support for all sorts of freedom, including that of > Press, so my question is, isn't there one, single MP who supported > passing of the Bill who can come out in defence of his or her stand? Or > is it because they always pander to the Press, they do not want to be > seen in 'bad' light . > > On the other hand, most of us take what we hear on the radio or watch on > TV as gospel truth, and the unfortunate fact of life is that the > majority of us have no other source of information, or do not seek other > avenues of > getting information, a fact very well > known by members of the so called "Fourth Estate". So when they drench > us with "details" about the dangers of the bill's amendment no matter how > skewed their > opinion is, we will believe them hook, line and sinker! > If you ask me, in a country like ours with a very shaky social, > political and economic foundation, these merchants of > "information" should be very closely and regularly monitored, a Radio > Mille Collines can happen here very easily... > In any case, ain't all these media 'houses' just commercial enterprises > out to make a tidy profit? > > Kinuthia... > > > > _______________________________________________ > ke-internetusers mailing list > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers > -- Sent from my mobile device --- http://www.bungesms.com TWITTER - http://www.twitter.com/bungesms KABISSA.org - http://www.kabissa.org/about/news/member-spotlight-made-kenya-network KAMPALA Workshop presentation - http://m4d.kcl.co.ug/sites/default/files/presentations/BungeSMS_MadeinKenya…

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Mobile to Rule the Internet as Primary Device in 2020, Says Pew]
by alice 15 Dec '08

15 Dec '08

http://www.wirelessandmobilenews.com/2008/12/mobile_to_rule_the_internet_as… Mobile to Rule the Internet as Primary Device in 2020, Says Pew By Reporter Wireless and Mobile News on December 14, 2008 6:04 PM Watch out world, the mobile internet life is approaching soon. According to a survey of experts by the Pew Internet & American Life Project that asked expert respondents to assess predictions about technology and its roles in the year 2020: Some 77% said the mobile computing device (the smartphone) with more significant computing power will be 2020's primary global Internet-connection platform. 64% favored the idea that 2020 user interfaces will offer advanced touch, talk and typing options and some added a fourth "T" - think. Nearly four out of five respondents (78%) said the original Internet architecture will not be completely replaced by a next-generation 'net by 2020. Three out of five respondents (60%) disagreed with the idea that legislatures, courts, the technology industry, and media companies will exercise effective intellectual property control by 2020. A majority--56%--agreed that in 2020 "few lines (will) divide professional from personal time, and that's OK." More than half (55%) agreed that many lives will be touched in 2020 by virtual worlds, mirror worlds, and augmented reality, while 45% disagreed or did not answer the question. The report entitled "Future of the Internet III" is built around respondents' responses to scenarios stretching to the year 2020, and hundreds of their written elaborations address such topics as: the methods by which people will access information in the future; the fact that technology is expanding the potential for hate, bigotry and terrorism; the changes that will occur in human relationships due to hyper-connected communication; the future of work and employer-employee relationships; the evolution of the tools for and use of augmented reality and virtual reality; the strength of respondents' concerns that the global corporations and governments currently in control of most resources might impede or even halt the open development of the internet; and the challenges to come as issues tied to security, privacy, digital identities, tracking and massive databases collide. "A strong undercurrent of anxiety runs through these experts' answers: They are quite sure the internet and cell phones will continue to advance at an amazing clip, but they are not at all sure people will make the same kind of progress as they embrace better, faster, cheaper gadgets," said Lee Rainie, Director of the Pew Internet & American Life Project. "The picture they paint of the future is that technology will give people the power to be stronger actors in the political and economic world, but that won't necessarily make it a kinder, gentler world." The Pew Internet/Elon University survey was conducted online by invitation to experts identified in an extensive literature review and to active members of several key technology groups, among them: The Internet Society, The World Wide Web Consortium, the Multistakeholder Group on Internet Governance, ICANN, Internet2 and the Association of Internet Researchers. Many respondents are at the pinnacle of internet leadership. Some respondents are "working in the trenches" of building the Web; most of the people in this latter category came to the survey by invitation to those on the email list of the Pew Internet Project. The survey was an "opt in," self-selecting effort. That process does not yield a random, representative sample. Full results of the survey, including engaging quotes from hundreds of respondents and brief biographies on many of these people, can be found on the web here. _______________________________________________ AfrICANN mailing list AfrICANN(a)afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/africann

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Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications (amendment) Bill: Is media overacting?
by Brian Longwe 15 Dec '08

15 Dec '08

I too, feel that this is overreaction and misrepresentation by the media. How many of the very vocal media personalities who appeared protesting have even read the proposed legislation? If they did, they would see that the powers granted are only applicable during a state of emergency. Other laws set out the process and conditions by which a state of emergency can be called. Our experiences with the post-election crisis this year exposed how partisan and instrumental media can be to fuel discontent and in many cases, media related information was used to take lives. Have the more responsible media houses forgotten so quickly the regret and guilt they expressed, when they started crying out for peace - after they realised how seriously wrong their transmissions were taken by the public? It is true that when Govt invited stakeholders to make representations regarding the bill, the media houses that bothered to send personnel sent only very junior officials - there's no knowing what kind of feedback/representations these underlings took back to their bosses. How many media houses sent representations to the house committee that was responsible for the bill when they were invited to do so? To what extent did they engage with informed contributions, proposed modifications or even proposed text to replace the offending sections? People need to realise that things like this don't happen overnight, law-making is a process that provides any citizen with the right and the opportunity to make their views felt and known. The masses that have been mobilised by the media houses should have been in Mombasa when govt, the house committee and stakeholders were meeting to among other things look at sections of the Kenya communications amendment act - not now, when their elected representatives have yielded to the due process and submitted the bill to the President. my two-pence, Brian On 12/13/08, Grace Bomu <nmutungu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I had signed up for the mars group protest yesterday on the > representation that it was a protest on food prices and MP'S refusal > to pay taxes. > I am disgusted that the media have used our voices for their causes > exclusively, disregarding ours. > As a Kenyan, i think there should be a review on cross-ownership of > media if democracy is to thrive. Also, considering the role of the > media in fueling ethnic/ regional backlash since 2003, isn't there > need for a check on them? > There may be misgivings on the arbitraly powers conferred to the > Minister in charge of security but media has to be checked. > The media should give suggestions on alternative ways to check them > instead of using all their airtime and acres of newspapers to win > public sympathy. > Finally, they should stop branding it ' media bill' as the bill is not > a conspiracy against media but a bill to amend the communications act. > > -- > Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com > > Grace L.N. Mutung'u > +254721898732 > +254736091242 > Kenya > _______________________________________________ > ke-internetusers mailing list > ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net > http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers > -- Brian Munyao Longwe e-mail: blongwe(a)gmail.com cell: + 254 722 518 744 blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com

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Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications (amendment) Bill: Is media overacting?
by Wainaina Mungai 15 Dec '08

15 Dec '08

Ok Aduda, Suggest an alternative informed direction. Wainaina On 12/15/08, David Aduda <daduda(a)nation.co.ke> wrote: > Wanaina, > > I've been wondering why you are so stuck to one position and so dismissive > of others even when people have constructive ideas! Debate is a two-way > affair and respect for other views. We respect your view, even if we don't > agree with it, but don't railroad everyone in one direction. > > Aduda > >> ---------- >> From: kictanet-bounces+daduda=nation.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke on behalf >> of Wainaina Mungai >> Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:06 PM >> To: David Aduda >> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions >> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications >> (amendment)Bill: Is media overacting? >> >> Crystal et. al., >> >> Other than for a few if any, you are preaching to the choir on matters >> of the need for a "free and fair" press. We have been on the job as >> stations were shut down but that does not cloud our objectivity. We >> must discuss a fair way forward on specifics scenarios pointed out by >> Bill Kagai and others. Do not forget that the media has not been >> acting "free" and "fair". A fair press would have been objective and >> would not conspire and document their intention to sway public opinion >> through biased reporting (see the Action Plan in this thread). >> >> Way forward: >> 1. President fails to ascent: We are stuck with Section 88 for another >> 6months at a very minimum. No guarantee we'll make progress on the >> other aspects after losing 6months of much needed reforms. >> >> 2. President ascents. We still have Section 88 but this time, we are >> better off as a country on all other aspects of the Bill. If the media >> wants support in 6months for a separate Bill to repeal Section 88, >> then they can lobby us and the MPs for support. >> >> Note that the media you call "free and fair" abused their licence >> provisions through the "Action Plan" to manipulate the public to >> support them. The one-sided reporting continues except on K24 TV. >> >> Let's be very fair and honest in our proposals. >> >> Wainaina >> >> >> >> On 12/15/08, Crystal Watley <crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org> wrote: >> > Brian, >> > >> > The meeting was not made public knowledge. If it had been then possibly >> > more >> > would have attended. Myself included. >> > >> > The Communications Bill contains many well thought out policies that >> > will >> > benefit Kenya in its quest to become an leader in information and >> > communications technology in the region. I read the bill when it came >> > out in >> > its first draft form and twice more during the consultation and >> > amendment >> > period. The bill is still not ready to be passed into law. As it is a >> > serious piece of legislature it needs more discussion especially in open >> > public forums. Once the general public and the media take an issue with >> > a >> > piece of legislation it should be tabled and discussed until necessary >> > revisions are made. I would like to reiterate this bill is not ready to >> > be >> > passed into law. If it is I would encourage the media institutions to >> > challenge its legality in court. It has already been rejected in the >> > court >> > of public opinion. >> > >> > If what Dr. Ndemo and others say about the ability of the president to >> > amend >> > the act, although Kibaki is in a catch 22, he should see that the media >> > stays free. What Kenyans should be afraid of is giving the government >> > the >> > power to decide on what dictates a "state of emergency". This has been >> > used >> > in other countries to suppress the masses and give all control to a few >> > powerful individuals. The control of the many by the few is something we >> > already see in Kenya. Information and communications technologies are to >> > improve INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATIONS. The proliferation of Kenyan >> > content >> > cannot be stilfed by the law or many will shy away from their use due to >> > fear. >> > >> > Crystal >> > >> > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Brian Longwe <blongwe(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> I too, feel that this is overreaction and misrepresentation by the >> >> media.> >> >> How many of the very vocal media personalities who appeared protesting >> >> have >> >> even read the proposed legislation? If they did, they would see that >> >> the >> >> powers granted are only applicable during a state of emergency. Other >> >> laws >> >> set out the process and conditions by which a state of emergency can be >> >> called. >> >> >> >> Our experiences with the post-election crisis this year exposed how >> >> partisan and instrumental media can be to fuel discontent and in many >> >> cases, >> >> media related information was used to take lives. >> >> >> >> Have the more responsible media houses forgotten so quickly the regret >> >> and >> >> guilt they expressed, when they started crying out for peace - after >> >> they >> >> realised how seriously wrong their transmissions were taken by the >> >> public? >> >> >> >> It is true that when Govt invited stakeholders to make representations >> >> regarding the bill, the media houses that bothered to send personnel >> >> sent >> >> only very junior officials - there's no knowing what kind of >> >> feedback/representations these underlings took back to their bosses. >> >> >> >> How many media houses sent representations to the house committee that >> >> was >> >> responsible for the bill when they were invited to do so? To what >> >> extent >> >> did >> >> they engage with informed contributions, proposed modifications or even >> >> proposed text to replace the offending sections? >> >> >> >> People need to realise that things like this don't happen overnight, >> >> law-making is a process that provides any citizen with the right and >> >> the >> >> opportunity to make their views felt and known. The masses that have >> >> been >> >> mobilised by the media houses should have been in Mombasa when govt, >> >> the >> >> house committee and stakeholders were meeting to among other things >> >> look >> >> at >> >> sections of the Kenya communications amendment act - not now, when >> >> their >> >> elected representatives have yielded to the due process and submitted >> >> the >> >> bill to the President. >> >> >> >> my two-pence, >> >> >> >> Brian >> >> >> >> >> >> On 12/13/08, Grace Bomu <nmutungu(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I had signed up for the mars group protest yesterday on the >> >>> representation that it was a protest on food prices and MP'S refusal >> >>> to pay taxes. >> >>> I am disgusted that the media have used our voices for their causes >> >>> exclusively, disregarding ours. >> >>> As a Kenyan, i think there should be a review on cross-ownership of >> >>> media if democracy is to thrive. Also, considering the role of the >> >>> media in fueling ethnic/ regional backlash since 2003, isn't there >> >>> need for a check on them? >> >>> There may be misgivings on the arbitraly powers conferred to the >> >>> Minister in charge of security but media has to be checked. >> >>> The media should give suggestions on alternative ways to check them >> >>> instead of using all their airtime and acres of newspapers to win >> >>> public sympathy. >> >>> Finally, they should stop branding it ' media bill' as the bill is not >> >>> a conspiracy against media but a bill to amend the communications act. >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com >> >>> >> >>> Grace L.N. Mutung'u >> >>> +254721898732 >> >>> +254736091242 >> >>> Kenya >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> ke-internetusers mailing list >> >>> ke-internetusers(a)bdix.net >> >>> http://www.bdix.net/mailman/listinfo/ke-internetusers >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Brian Munyao Longwe >> >> e-mail: blongwe(a)gmail.com >> >> cell: + 254 722 518 744 >> >> blog : http://zinjlog.blogspot.com >> >> meta-blog: http://mashilingi.blogspot.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> kictanet mailing list >> >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> >> >> This message was sent to: crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org >> >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/crystal%40voicesofafri…> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Crystal "Naliaka" Watley >> > Voices of Africa >> > crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org >> > http://www.voicesofafrica.org/ >> > >> > "You must be the change you wish to see" - Gandhi >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> --- >> http://www.bungesms.com >> >> TWITTER - http://www.twitter.com/bungesms >> >> KABISSA.org - >> http://www.kabissa.org/about/news/member-spotlight-made-kenya-network >> >> KAMPALA Workshop presentation - >> http://m4d.kcl.co.ug/sites/default/files/presentations/BungeSMS_MadeinKenya… >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kictanet mailing list >> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >> >> This message was sent to: daduda(a)nation.co.ke >> Unsubscribe or change your options at >> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/daduda%40nation.co.ke >> >> > > DISCLAIMER: The information contained in or accompanying this e-mail is > intended for the use of the stated recipient only. 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Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications (amendment)Bill: Is media overacting?
by David Aduda 15 Dec '08

15 Dec '08

Wanaina, I've been wondering why you are so stuck to one position and so dismissive of others even when people have constructive ideas! Debate is a two-way affair and respect for other views. We respect your view, even if we don't agree with it, but don't railroad everyone in one direction. Aduda > ---------- > From: kictanet-bounces+daduda=nation.co.ke(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke on behalf of Wainaina Mungai > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 7:06 PM > To: David Aduda > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications (amendment)Bill: Is media overacting? > > Crystal et. al., > > Other than for a few if any, you are preaching to the choir on matters > of the need for a "free and fair" press. We have been on the job as > stations were shut down but that does not cloud our objectivity. We > must discuss a fair way forward on specifics scenarios pointed out by > Bill Kagai and others. Do not forget that the media has not been > acting "free" and "fair". A fair press would have been objective and > would not conspire and document their intention to sway public opinion > through biased reporting (see the Action Plan in this thread). > > Way forward: > 1. President fails to ascent: We are stuck with Section 88 for another > 6months at a very minimum. No guarantee we'll make progress on the > other aspects after losing 6months of much needed reforms. > > 2. President ascents. We still have Section 88 but this time, we are > better off as a country on all other aspects of the Bill. If the media > wants support in 6months for a separate Bill to repeal Section 88, > then they can lobby us and the MPs for support. > > Note that the media you call "free and fair" abused their licence > provisions through the "Action Plan" to manipulate the public to > support them. The one-sided reporting continues except on K24 TV. > > Let's be very fair and honest in our proposals. > > Wainaina > > > > On 12/15/08, Crystal Watley <crystal(a)voicesofafrica.org> wrote: > > Brian, > > > > The meeting was not made public knowledge. If it had been then possibly more > > would have attended. Myself included. > > > > The Communications Bill contains many well thought out policies that will > > benefit Kenya in its quest to become an leader in information and > > communications technology in the region. I read the bill when it came out in > > its first draft form and twice more during the consultation and amendment > > period. The bill is still not ready to be passed into law. As it is a > > serious piece of legislature it needs more discussion especially in open > > public forums. Once the general public and the media take an issue with a > > piece of legislation it should be tabled and discussed until necessary > > revisions are made. I would like to reiterate this bill is not ready to be > > passed into law. If it is I would encourage the media institutions to > > challenge its legality in court. It has already been rejected in the court > > of public opinion. > > > > If what Dr. Ndemo and others say about the ability of the president to amend > > the act, although Kibaki is in a catch 22, he should see that the media > > stays free. What Kenyans should be afraid of is giving the government the > > power to decide on what dictates a "state of emergency". This has been used > > in other countries to suppress the masses and give all control to a few > > powerful individuals. The control of the many by the few is something we > > already see in Kenya. Information and communications technologies are to > > improve INFORMATION AND COMMUNICATIONS. The proliferation of Kenyan content > > cannot be stilfed by the law or many will shy away from their use due to > > fear. > > > > Crystal > > > > On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Brian Longwe <blongwe(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> I too, feel that this is overreaction and misrepresentation by the media.> > >> How many of the very vocal media personalities who appeared protesting > >> have > >> even read the proposed legislation? If they did, they would see that the > >> powers granted are only applicable during a state of emergency. Other laws > >> set out the process and conditions by which a state of emergency can be > >> called. > >> > >> Our experiences with the post-election crisis this year exposed how > >> partisan and instrumental media can be to fuel discontent and in many > >> cases, > >> media related information was used to take lives. > >> > >> Have the more responsible media houses forgotten so quickly the regret and > >> guilt they expressed, when they started crying out for peace - after they > >> realised how seriously wrong their transmissions were taken by the public? > >> > >> It is true that when Govt invited stakeholders to make representations > >> regarding the bill, the media houses that bothered to send personnel sent > >> only very junior officials - there's no knowing what kind of > >> feedback/representations these underlings took back to their bosses. > >> > >> How many media houses sent representations to the house committee that was > >> responsible for the bill when they were invited to do so? To what extent > >> did > >> they engage with informed contributions, proposed modifications or even > >> proposed text to replace the offending sections? > >> > >> People need to realise that things like this don't happen overnight, > >> law-making is a process that provides any citizen with the right and the > >> opportunity to make their views felt and known. The masses that have been > >> mobilised by the media houses should have been in Mombasa when govt, the > >> house committee and stakeholders were meeting to among other things look > >> at > >> sections of the Kenya communications amendment act - not now, when their > >> elected representatives have yielded to the due process and submitted the > >> bill to the President. > >> > >> my two-pence, > >> > >> Brian > >> > >> > >> On 12/13/08, Grace Bomu <nmutungu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> I had signed up for the mars group protest yesterday on the > >>> representation that it was a protest on food prices and MP'S refusal > >>> to pay taxes. > >>> I am disgusted that the media have used our voices for their causes > >>> exclusively, disregarding ours. > >>> As a Kenyan, i think there should be a review on cross-ownership of > >>> media if democracy is to thrive. Also, considering the role of the > >>> media in fueling ethnic/ regional backlash since 2003, isn't there > >>> need for a check on them? > >>> There may be misgivings on the arbitraly powers conferred to the > >>> Minister in charge of security but media has to be checked. > >>> The media should give suggestions on alternative ways to check them > >>> instead of using all their airtime and acres of newspapers to win > >>> public sympathy. > >>> Finally, they should stop branding it ' media bill' as the bill is not > >>> a conspiracy against media but a bill to amend the communications act. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com > >>> > >>> Grace L.N. 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Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications (amendment) Bill: Is media overacting?
by Wainaina Mungai 15 Dec '08

15 Dec '08

Kaikai, I propose we focus on the issues below: 1. Section 88 and the fact that the absence of the Presidential ascent wouldn't change anything for atleast the next six months. The suggestion is that media pursues the path of a "futher amendments" Bill that shall be debated separately. There should be no guarantee it will be passed. 2. Content regulation and the fact that it does not threaten freedom of expression. The issues have been clarified here and in other fora. 3. The "Action Plan" of the Media Owners Association and the clauses that indicate their willingness to abuse the power given to them. Put this in context of the powers you want Kenyans to entrust you with. You do not add value to the debate by branding as "media bashers" or hypocrites those of us who have realised with time that absolute power corrupts absolutely even in the media. Regards, Wainaina On 12/16/08, Linus Kaikai <lkaikai(a)ktnkenya.com> wrote: > Dr. Ndemo, > > It is puzzling that throughout your meetings with us we never got to hear of > some of the issues you are now raising on Kictanet like 'Media impunity' and > 'corrupting children minds.' The latter was of course the very same line > used by Mao and later Deng Xiaoping to cut off information flow to the > Chinese masses, and that is having concluded the entire population is made > up of children! There's a great deal of dishonesty around this whole issue. > The contentious clauses in my view are an extension of your ban of live > broadcast on the evening of December 30; a ban that neither worked nor > helped in way in pushing through suspect election results. Bwana PS the > larger picture is the country is walking down a retrogressive path and the > clauses in the Communication Bill are only part of a number of things that > are going wrong especially with politics and governance. Bwana PS sections > of this Bill are not anything you would be proud of 5 years from now. > > For the rest of the media-bashing crowd on Kictanet, yours is the hypocrisy > killing our country. When Moi was president the media and outspoken > diplomats were your heroes. Now they are villains. How convenient! > > About the bill, I am so keen to hear your take on the March 2, 2006 raid on > the Standard and KTN for such are the actions the new bill would make > perfectly legal! > > > Linus > > -----Original Message----- > From: kictanet-bounces+lkaikai=ktnkenya.com(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > [mailto:kictanet-bounces+lkaikai=ktnkenya.com@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On > Behalf Of bitange(a)jambo.co.ke > Sent: 14 December 2008 22:04 > To: lkaikai(a)ktnkenya.com > Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions > Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya > communications(amendment)Bill: Is media overacting? > > Mike, > Thank you for your objective views. You know very well that there are > thousands of youth out there who have patiently waited for this bill to > allow them trade on-line. Now Media calls theirs. > > The outcomes of the Kriegler and Waki would hopefully deal with political > impunity. Who will deal with media impunity? In my view we must push > this Bill to ensure that electronic media does not continue to corrupt our > children's minds. > > Ndemo. > > >> Dr. Ndemo, >> >> I hope that the media note that they are on the wrong path and move to >> change their approach. In hindsight they might realize that the issues at >> hand could have been tackled differently.The media's most recent actions >> only make it more difficult to resolve the very same issues they are >> protesting. >> >> The Nation's editorial perhaps represents the divergence in views between >> the media owners, their supporters and responsible journalists who may >> have >> seen that things are steering in a dangerous direction. As the matter >> drags >> on, various elements will try to take advantage and jump onto the >> bandwagon >> to further certain agendas. It is this catalyst that is worrisome, as >> there >> is the possibility that just as the media issue has somehow been tied to >> economic issues, the media issue could easily be misused by those who have >> little to do with the media. >> >> The country has many volatile problems that should not be exploited, some >> of >> those jumping onto the media bandwagon may be seeking to detract from >> matters facing them, others have personal agendas in mind that can only >> progress if they are disguised as media and economic issues. The media >> hopefully is looking at these issues in a responsible manner, will >> exercise >> diplomacy and engage the Government in a civil way as the best way to >> resolve the impasse. There are many Kenyans suffering today from matters >> not >> within their control, it is a dangerous thing for the media to act in a >> way >> that could easily stir these masses to non-civil action as measures are >> being taken to alleviate these problems. The media has a corporate >> responsibility in ensuring that it exhausts all civil means of ensuring >> the >> matters are resolved. >> >> It is encouraging to know that the Government is open for discussion, but >> there is only so much that the Government can do on legislative matters. >> The >> Government can draft, prepare and adjust laws but it cannot pass the same >> in >> parliament. The media must do more on its own in approaching not just key >> leaders but ultimately the legislators who actually vote to pass the same >> laws. >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 5:11 PM, <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Theuri, >>> Since Government is open for discussion, diplomacy would yield better >>> results. I have seen their action plan which by the way violates cck >>> licence agreement it is not the best rout to take. Having spent all >>> weekend >>> using public resources (frequencies) to propagate violence, they should >>> at >>> least wait to hear from cck. >>> >>> If you read today's Nation editorial on how to end impunity including >>> media >>> impunity you wonder if they are the same people inciting the public to >>> violence. >>> >>> Ndemo >>> Sent from my BlackBerry(R) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: "Mike Theuri" <mike.theuri(a)gmail.com> >>> >>> Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:19:01 >>> To: <bitange(a)jambo.co.ke> >>> Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions<kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke> >>> Subject: Re: [kictanet] [ke-internetusers] Kenya communications >>> (amendment)Bill: Is media overacting? >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kictanet mailing list >>> kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke >>> http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet >>> >>> This message was sent to: bitange(a)jambo.co.ke >>> Unsubscribe or change your options at >>> > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/bitange%40jambo.co.ke >>> >>> >> >> ---------------------------------------------- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> --------------------------------------------- >> "easy access to the world" >> >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by Jambo MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > --------------------------------------------- > "easy access to the world" > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: lkaikai(a)ktnkenya.com > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/lkaikai%40ktnkenya.com > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)lists.kictanet.or.ke > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > This message was sent to: wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org > Unsubscribe or change your options at > http://lists.kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wainaina%40madeinkenya… > -- Sent from my mobile device --- http://www.bungesms.com TWITTER - http://www.twitter.com/bungesms KABISSA.org - http://www.kabissa.org/about/news/member-spotlight-made-kenya-network KAMPALA Workshop presentation - http://m4d.kcl.co.ug/sites/default/files/presentations/BungeSMS_MadeinKenya…

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