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March 2006 - IMARK launches new e-learning for managers in international development a
by alice＠apc.org 03 Mar '06

03 Mar '06

March 2006 - IMARK launches new March 2006 - IMARK launches new e-learning module to help managers in international development address the challenges of the new information environment. 1 March 2006 - The Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO) is pleased to announce on behalf of the Information Management Resource Kit (IMARK) Steering Group, the release of the English version of the latest IMARK e-learning module "Investing in Information for Development". The module addresses the needs of managers and decision-makers for new awareness and skills related to development and implementation of strategies, policies, structures, and procedures for effective management of information. "Information management has evolved rapidly in recent years, in relation to the powerful but complex digital technologies that are now available. This latest module considers the impact of technology on the information environment, and on the decisions that managers in development organizations have to take", explains Anton Mangstl, Director of FAO's Library and Documentation Systems Division. The module was developed by FAO, with support from the Technical Centre for Agricultural and Rural Cooperation (CTA) and the German Agency for Technical Cooperation (GTZ). A series of lessons and resources is provided to assist managers in developing an information strategy, and in implementing new structures and procedures for effective information management and exchange. The module includes a series of lesson plans, learner notes and presentations which can be adapted by trainers developing their own curricula for face-to-face seminars and courses. This, and all IMARK modules, are available at no-cost either through the IMARK website www.imarkgroup.org or on CD-ROM upon request. Learners are encouraged to register and select a course. IMARK now has over 30 partners and collaborating institutions since its inception in 2001, and its activities are coordinated through a Steering Group whose members are: the Association for Progressive Communications (APC), FAO, the Agence Universitaire de la Francophonie (AUF), Inter-American Institute for Cooperation on Agriculture (IICA), the Centre de coopération internationale en recherche agronomique pour le développement (Cirad), the Technical Centre for Agricultural and Rural Cooperation (CTA) and the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO). 1 March 2006 - The Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO) is pleased to announce on behalf of the Information Management Resource Kit (IMARK) Steering Group, the release of the English version of the latest IMARK e-learning module "Investing in Information for Development". The module addresses the needs of managers and decision-makers for new awareness and skills related to development and implementation of strategies, policies, structures, and procedures for effective management of information. "Information management has evolved rapidly in recent years, in relation to the powerful but complex digital technologies that are now available. This latest module considers the impact of technology on the information environment, and on the decisions that managers in development organizations have to take", explains Anton Mangstl, Director of FAO's Library and Documentation Systems Division. The module was developed by FAO, with support from the Technical Centre for Agricultural and Rural Cooperation (CTA) and the German Agency for Technical Cooperation (GTZ). A series of lessons and resources is provided to assist managers in developing an information strategy, and in implementing new structures and procedures for effective information management and exchange. The module includes a series of lesson plans, learner notes and presentations which can be adapted by trainers developing their own curricula for face-to-face seminars and courses. This, and all IMARK modules, are available at no-cost either through the IMARK website www.imarkgroup.org or on CD-ROM upon request. Learners are encouraged to register and select a course. IMARK now has over 30 partners and collaborating institutions since its inception in 2001, and its activities are coordinated through a Steering Group whose members are: the Association for Progressive Communications (APC), FAO, the Agence Universitaire de la Francophonie (AUF), Inter-American Institute for Cooperation on Agriculture (IICA), the Centre de coopération internationale en recherche agronomique pour le développement (Cirad), the Technical Centre for Agricultural and Rural Cooperation (CTA) and the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO). Alice Wanjira National Coordinator, Catalysing Access to ICTs in Africa (CATIA) Association for Progressive Communications (APC) alice(a)apc.org http://www.apc.org http://www.catia.ws

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Re: [Kictanet] Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group
by Eric Osiakwan 02 Mar '06

02 Mar '06

Wainaina, Please permit me to differ with you. The civilised world has resolved to ensure that there are due processes subject to the rule of law by which we deal with such reculcitrant elements of our deomocratic experiment so to ignore such consitutional and instituional mechanisms is worse a precident as the acts of the reculcitrant element being subjected. Two wrongs dont make a right. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Wainaina Mungai" <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> Reply-To: Kenya ICT Policy - kictanet <kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:01:21 +0300 >Dear all, > >As we all so readily rotest against the unwarranted destruction of property etc, let us not be sucked into supporting misconduct within the media. We must not lose sight of the fact that the media has become is a law unto itself; while the rest of society is governed by rules of civilised conduct. The media is a powerful tool that has even been abused to the extent of fueling conflict in many countries. As we all know, it has also been used positively. > >However, there are currently several cases in court and other incidents that indicate the media has failed to regulate itself. The Media Council of Kenya may just have proved to Kenyans over the years that the concept of self-regulation may be the way to go in Kenya. > >As much as I empathise with the Standard Group, I would urge them to give Kenyans (wether in government or not) a fair hearing and endevour to report ONLY the truth. Sensational reporting in an attempt to gain market share will lead to situations as we have now as the parties seek resolution (whether the methods are wrong or right). In cases where mistakes a made, they should not hid apologies in a small corner of page 92 but put into where the original story (Page 1, if the story was a headline story) and so on. Anything short of that should be handled by very stringent laws of conduct. > >Politically incorrect but I hope it will keep us focused. There is an urgent need to get a working system for regulation of the media conduct. > >--- >Wainaina Mungai >http://www.madeinkenya.org > >SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT is development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs. > > >> -------Original Message------- >> From: Waudo Siganga <csk(a)nbi.ispkenya.com> >> Subject: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group >> Sent: 02 Mar '06 19:29 >> >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> The reports received this morning regarding the crackdown and closure of >> the Standard Media Group are shocking and the CSK will issue a statement on >> the same later in the day. >> >> Kind Regards >> Waudo Siganga >> Chairman >> The Computer Society of Kenya >> >> >> --- >> Submitted by: csk(a)nbi.ispkenya.com 2006-03-02 00:40:37 EST5 >> (Please reply to original submitter for private communication) >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to kiplist-cl as: [wainaina.mungai(a)oneworld.net] >> To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-kiplist-cl-117112D(a)lyris.idrc.ca >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >kictanet mailing list >kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke >http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > >Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eric%40afrispa.org > -- Eric M.K Osiakwan Executive Secretary AfrISPA (www.afrispa.org) Tel: + 233.21.258800 Fax: + 233.21.258811 Cell: + 233.244.386792 Handle: eosiakwan Snail Mail: Pmb 208, Accra-North Office: BusyInternet - 42 Ring Road Central, Accra-North Blog: http://afrispa.skybuilders.com/users/Eric/blog.html Slang: "Tomorrow Now" --

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Re: [Kictanet] Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group
by Wainaina Mungai 02 Mar '06

02 Mar '06

Dear George, How did you come up with the issue of tribe? No-one of the the respondents mentioned tribes here so kindly le't not trivialise this global debate. Afterall, when we fought Moi, it was not because of his tribe - it was the actions of his government. > What is happening to me today, it does not matter what > tribe it is happening to, every kenyans should stand up to be counted. Today > it is me tommorrow it is YOU. Two wrongs have been committed and one is being hidden under the guise of "press freedom". The media will also hope that Kenyans only notice the wrong committed by government (which I condemn). It happened to Hon. Biwott but we now know our euphoria under Moi made us permit media to misbehave only because they supported our views. Niether the government nor the media should be left off the hook for "Abuse of Power". We are dealing with competition between "The Four Estates" here and they are abusing their power and freedom. When the Standard Group is caught in misconduct, they should not hide behind "Kenyans". They are a company that does what they do for profit. They must not be allowed to abuse freedom and undermine the democratic rights of other Kenyans. Let's not be politically correct at the expense of the truth. --- Wainaina Mungai http://www.madeinkenya.org SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT is development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs. > -------Original Message------- > From: Sidarec <sidarec(a)kenyaweb.com> > Subject: Re: [Kictanet] Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > Sent: 02 Mar '06 15:15 > > Wainana talks as if it was only barbaric to do such things as is happening > now under Moi. Now that it is Kibaki, Media has become irresponsible, and > should be burnished. We kenyans tend to forget yesteryears when the country > was under siege. What is happening to me today, it does not matter what > tribe it is happening to, every kenyans should stand up to be counted. Today > it is me tommorrow it is YOU. If I don't raise my voice because it is not > touching me, tommorrow it will be you, and God knows how it will end. We > must stand up and be counted at this hour of need. This is an affront to our > way of life; We fought for this freedom, and it was not gioven to us free, > many people died for this course,and this government was elected on that > premise; to uphold the rule of law; it is not about Standard Newspaper of > the KNT, it is about Kenyans on asault. > > George > > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wainaina%40madeinkenya.org >

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Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group
by mutua 02 Mar '06

02 Mar '06

It is common knowledge that media houses lack objectivity in their reporting, that is usually tailor made to suit their prefered subjects ends and their own (obvious financial)gains i.e. the client media phenomenon,that cuts across the entire media fraternaty sparing only but a few media houses.Lets face it, while the media council may arbirtrate fairly complains amongst it's membership it may not do so fairly for two parties where one is a member and the other agrieved not being it's member.Considering the swift and devastating consequences media headlines may have on an agrieved party which may not be corrected by some nondescript apologetic note on some hideous page or at the end of the sports segment of the news bulletin ,such practices must be discouraged with the harshest and the strongest deterents possible.It takes a lifeworth effort to build a reputation which may cramble one second due to some incorrect headline.It's worth remebering a recent incident in the past where a young man's mother had a heart attack which may have been attributed to media reports that he was marrying an elderly woman, before even she could get the news from her son himself, sadly she passed away.Now not even an apologetic note could bring her come back to life not even a Media council ruling can or more so a libel award by a court ruling could.This shows that such issues should not be taken lightly and someone hides under the guise of freedom of press.In the past we had riots outside one media house offices in town by a university following a press report that the students felt was erronous and untrue,another life was also sadly lost in the process.Let the perpetrators of these barbaric acts be punished and we must remember not everyone is patient and civil enough to follow "due process".Certainly this recent incident may not be the last. ---- Original Message ----- From: <kictanet-request(a)kictanet.or.ke> To: "mutua" <emutua(a)ngocouncil.org> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:34 PM Subject: kictanet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 3 > Send kictanet mailing list submissions to > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > kictanet-request(a)kictanet.or.ke > > You can reach the person managing the list at > kictanet-owner(a)kictanet.or.ke > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of kictanet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > ( Wainaina Mungai ) > 2. (no subject) > 3. Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group (Sammy Buruchara) > 4. Re: Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > (Eric Osiakwan) > 5. Re: Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > ( Wainaina Mungai ) > 6. Re: Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > ( Wainaina Mungai ) > 7. Re: Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > ( Wainaina Mungai ) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:01:21 +0300 > From: " Wainaina Mungai " <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> > Subject: [Kictanet] Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > To: "KIPlist" <kiplist-cl(a)lyris.idrc.ca> > Cc: kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > Message-ID: <20060302090121.31391.qmail(a)domain50.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear all, > > As we all so readily rotest against the unwarranted destruction of property etc, let us not be sucked into supporting misconduct within the media. We must not lose sight of the fact that the media has become is a law unto itself; while the rest of society is governed by rules of civilised conduct. The media is a powerful tool that has even been abused to the extent of fueling conflict in many countries. As we all know, it has also been used positively. > > However, there are currently several cases in court and other incidents that indicate the media has failed to regulate itself. The Media Council of Kenya may just have proved to Kenyans over the years that the concept of self-regulation may be the way to go in Kenya. > > As much as I empathise with the Standard Group, I would urge them to give Kenyans (wether in government or not) a fair hearing and endevour to report ONLY the truth. Sensational reporting in an attempt to gain market share will lead to situations as we have now as the parties seek resolution (whether the methods are wrong or right). In cases where mistakes a made, they should not hid apologies in a small corner of page 92 but put into where the original story (Page 1, if the story was a headline story) and so on. Anything short of that should be handled by very stringent laws of conduct. > > Politically incorrect but I hope it will keep us focused. There is an urgent need to get a working system for regulation of the media conduct. > > --- > Wainaina Mungai > http://www.madeinkenya.org > > SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT is development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs. > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Waudo Siganga <csk(a)nbi.ispkenya.com> > > Subject: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > > Sent: 02 Mar '06 19:29 > > > > Dear Colleagues, > > > > The reports received this morning regarding the crackdown and closure of > > the Standard Media Group are shocking and the CSK will issue a statement on > > the same later in the day. > > > > Kind Regards > > Waudo Siganga > > Chairman > > The Computer Society of Kenya > > > > > > --- > > Submitted by: csk(a)nbi.ispkenya.com 2006-03-02 00:40:37 EST5 > > (Please reply to original submitter for private communication) > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kiplist-cl as: [wainaina.mungai(a)oneworld.net] > > To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-kiplist-cl-117112D(a)lyris.idrc.ca > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Subject: [Kictanet] (no subject) > Message-ID: <mailman.55.1141295618.353.kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:12:28 +0300 > From: Sammy Buruchara <Sammy(a)nbnet.co.ke> > Subject: [Kictanet] Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > To: "KIPlist" <kiplist-cl(a)lyris.idrc.ca> > Cc: kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > Message-ID: <58F93AA7-DE1D-400D-A70C-16CD67CBCAE0(a)nbnet.co.ke> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Two wrongs do not make a right. > > Sammy Buruchara > On Mar 2, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Wainaina Mungai wrote: > > > Dear all, > > > > As we all so readily rotest against the unwarranted destruction of > > property etc, let us not be sucked into supporting misconduct > > within the media. We must not lose sight of the fact that the media > > has become is a law unto itself; while the rest of society is > > governed by rules of civilised conduct. The media is a powerful > > tool that has even been abused to the extent of fueling conflict in > > many countries. As we all know, it has also been used positively. > > > > However, there are currently several cases in court and other > > incidents that indicate the media has failed to regulate itself. > > The Media Council of Kenya may just have proved to Kenyans over the > > years that the concept of self-regulation may be the way to go in > > Kenya. > > > > As much as I empathise with the Standard Group, I would urge them > > to give Kenyans (wether in government or not) a fair hearing and > > endevour to report ONLY the truth. Sensational reporting in an > > attempt to gain market share will lead to situations as we have now > > as the parties seek resolution (whether the methods are wrong or > > right). In cases where mistakes a made, they should not hid > > apologies in a small corner of page 92 but put into where the > > original story (Page 1, if the story was a headline story) and so > > on. Anything short of that should be handled by very stringent laws > > of conduct. > > > > Politically incorrect but I hope it will keep us focused. There is > > an urgent need to get a working system for regulation of the media > > conduct. > > > > --- > > Wainaina Mungai > > http://www.madeinkenya.org > > > > SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT is development that meets the needs of the > > present without compromising the ability of future generations to > > meet their own needs. > > > > > >> -------Original Message------- > >> From: Waudo Siganga <csk(a)nbi.ispkenya.com> > >> Subject: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > >> Sent: 02 Mar '06 19:29 > >> > >> Dear Colleagues, > >> > >> The reports received this morning regarding the crackdown and > >> closure of > >> the Standard Media Group are shocking and the CSK will issue a > >> statement on > >> the same later in the day. > >> > >> Kind Regards > >> Waudo Siganga > >> Chairman > >> The Computer Society of Kenya > >> > >> > >> --- > >> Submitted by: csk(a)nbi.ispkenya.com 2006-03-02 00:40:37 EST5 > >> (Please reply to original submitter for private communication) > >> --- > >> You are currently subscribed to kiplist-cl as: > >> [wainaina.mungai(a)oneworld.net] > >> To unsubscribe, forward this message to %%email.unsub%% > >> > >> > > > > --- > > Submitted by: Wainaina Mungai (One World) > > <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> 2006-03-02 04:09:31 EST5 > > (Please reply to original submitter for private communication) > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to kiplist-cl as: [sammy(a)nbnet.co.ke] > > To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-kiplist- > > cl-88773I(a)lyris.idrc.ca > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:59:36 +0200 > From: "Eric Osiakwan" <eric(a)afrispa.org> > Subject: Re: [Kictanet] Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media > Group > To: Kenya ICT Policy - kictanet <kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke> > Message-ID: <200603021159.AA347340840(a)afrispa.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Wainaina, > > Please permit me to differ with you. > > The civilised world has resolved to ensure that there are due processes subject to the rule of law by which we deal with such reculcitrant elements of our deomocratic experiment so to ignore such consitutional and instituional mechanisms is worse a precident as the acts of the reculcitrant element being subjected. > > Two wrongs dont make a right. > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Wainaina Mungai" <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> > Reply-To: Kenya ICT Policy - kictanet <kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke> > Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:01:21 +0300 > > >Dear all, > > > >As we all so readily rotest against the unwarranted destruction of property etc, let us not be sucked into supporting misconduct within the media. We must not lose sight of the fact that the media has become is a law unto itself; while the rest of society is governed by rules of civilised conduct. The media is a powerful tool that has even been abused to the extent of fueling conflict in many countries. As we all know, it has also been used positively. > > > >However, there are currently several cases in court and other incidents that indicate the media has failed to regulate itself. The Media Council of Kenya may just have proved to Kenyans over the years that the concept of self-regulation may be the way to go in Kenya. > > > >As much as I empathise with the Standard Group, I would urge them to give Kenyans (wether in government or not) a fair hearing and endevour to report ONLY the truth. Sensational reporting in an attempt to gain market share will lead to situations as we have now as the parties seek resolution (whether the methods are wrong or right). In cases where mistakes a made, they should not hid apologies in a small corner of page 92 but put into where the original story (Page 1, if the story was a headline story) and so on. Anything short of that should be handled by very stringent laws of conduct. > > > >Politically incorrect but I hope it will keep us focused. There is an urgent need to get a working system for regulation of the media conduct. > > > >--- > >Wainaina Mungai > >http://www.madeinkenya.org > > > >SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT is development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs. > > > > > >> -------Original Message------- > >> From: Waudo Siganga <csk(a)nbi.ispkenya.com> > >> Subject: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > >> Sent: 02 Mar '06 19:29 > >> > >> Dear Colleagues, > >> > >> The reports received this morning regarding the crackdown and closure of > >> the Standard Media Group are shocking and the CSK will issue a statement on > >> the same later in the day. > >> > >> Kind Regards > >> Waudo Siganga > >> Chairman > >> The Computer Society of Kenya > >> > >> > >> --- > >> Submitted by: csk(a)nbi.ispkenya.com 2006-03-02 00:40:37 EST5 > >> (Please reply to original submitter for private communication) > >> --- > >> You are currently subscribed to kiplist-cl as: [wainaina.mungai(a)oneworld.net] > >> To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-kiplist-cl-117112D(a)lyris.idrc.ca > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >kictanet mailing list > >kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > >http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > >Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eric%40afrispa.org > > > > -- > Eric M.K Osiakwan > Executive Secretary > AfrISPA (www.afrispa.org) > Tel: + 233.21.258800 > Fax: + 233.21.258811 > Cell: + 233.244.386792 > Handle: eosiakwan > Snail Mail: Pmb 208, Accra-North > Office: BusyInternet - 42 Ring Road Central, Accra-North > Blog: http://afrispa.skybuilders.com/users/Eric/blog.html > Slang: "Tomorrow Now" > -- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:29:21 +0300 > From: " Wainaina Mungai " <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> > Subject: Re: [Kictanet] Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media > Group > To: "Kenya ICT Policy - kictanet" <kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke> > Message-ID: <20060302102922.29476.qmail(a)domain50.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Agreed, we acknowledge "two wrongs" however, in our quick condemnation, we risk losing sight of the first wrong. That was actually the point I was making. > > I have personal experiences of how media runs to "press freedom" to get the "first wrong" to disappear. The perpetrators of the "second wrong" must be punished as prescribed by the law so that we do not have a repeat of either wrongs. > > ;-) > > Wainaina > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Eric Osiakwan <eric(a)afrispa.org> > > Subject: Re: [Kictanet] Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > > Sent: 02 Mar '06 12:59 > > > > Wainaina, > > > > Please permit me to differ with you. > > > > The civilised world has resolved to ensure that there are due processes subject to the rule of law by which we deal with such reculcitrant elements of our deomocratic experiment so to ignore such consitutional and instituional mechanisms is worse a precident as the acts of the reculcitrant element being subjected. > > > > Two wrongs dont make a right. > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > From: "Wainaina Mungai" <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> > > Reply-To: Kenya ICT Policy - kictanet <kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke> > > Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:01:21 +0300 > > > > >Dear all, > > > > > >As we all so readily rotest against the unwarranted destruction of property etc, let us not be sucked into supporting misconduct within the media. We must not lose sight of the fact that the media has become is a law unto itself; while the rest of society is governed by rules of civilised conduct. The media is a powerful tool that has even been abused to the extent of fueling conflict in many countries. As we all know, it has also been used positively. > > > > > >However, there are currently several cases in court and other incidents that indicate the media has failed to regulate itself. The Media Council of Kenya may just have proved to Kenyans over the years that the concept of self-regulation may be the way to go in Kenya. > > > > > >As much as I empathise with the Standard Group, I would urge them to give Kenyans (wether in government or not) a fair hearing and endevour to report ONLY the truth. Sensational reporting in an attempt to gain market share will lead to situations as we have now as the parties seek resolution (whether the methods are wrong or right). In cases where mistakes a made, they should not hid apologies in a small corner of page 92 but put into where the original story (Page 1, if the story was a headline story) and so on. Anything short of that should be handled by very stringent laws of conduct. > > > > > >Politically incorrect but I hope it will keep us focused. There is an urgent need to get a working system for regulation of the media conduct. > > > > > >--- > > >Wainaina Mungai > > >http://www.madeinkenya.org > > > > > >SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT is development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs. > > > > > > > > >> -------Original Message------- > > >> From: Waudo Siganga <csk(a)nbi.ispkenya.com> > > >> Subject: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > > >> Sent: 02 Mar '06 19:29 > > >> > > >> Dear Colleagues, > > >> > > >> The reports received this morning regarding the crackdown and closure of > > >> the Standard Media Group are shocking and the CSK will issue a statement on > > >> the same later in the day. > > >> > > >> Kind Regards > > >> Waudo Siganga > > >> Chairman > > >> The Computer Society of Kenya > > >> > > >> > > >> --- > > >> Submitted by: csk(a)nbi.ispkenya.com 2006-03-02 00:40:37 EST5 > > >> (Please reply to original submitter for private communication) > > >> --- > > >> You are currently subscribed to kiplist-cl as: [wainaina.mungai(a)oneworld.net] > > >> To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-kiplist-cl-117112D(a)lyris.idrc.ca > > >> > > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >kictanet mailing list > > >kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > > >http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > > >Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eric%40afrispa.org > > > > > > > -- > > Eric M.K Osiakwan > > Executive Secretary > > AfrISPA (www.afrispa.org) > > Tel: + 233.21.258800 > > Fax: + 233.21.258811 > > Cell: + 233.244.386792 > > Handle: eosiakwan > > Snail Mail: Pmb 208, Accra-North > > Office: BusyInternet - 42 Ring Road Central, Accra-North > > Blog: http://afrispa.skybuilders.com/users/Eric/blog.html > > Slang: "Tomorrow Now" > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wainaina%40madeinkenya.org > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:30:35 +0300 > From: " Wainaina Mungai " <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> > Subject: Re: [Kictanet] Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media > Group > To: "Kenya ICT Policy - kictanet" <kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke> > Message-ID: <20060302103035.25424.qmail(a)domain50.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Agreed, we acknowledge "two wrongs" however, in our quick condemnation, we risk losing sight of the first wrong. The point am making is that official statements released in condemning the "second wrong" should not be made in a way that sanitises the "first wrong". > > I have personal experiences of how media runs to "press freedom" to get the "first wrong" to disappear. The perpetrators of the "second wrong" must be punished as prescribed by the law so that we do not have a repeat of either wrongs. > > ;-) > > Wainaina > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Eric Osiakwan <eric(a)afrispa.org> > > Subject: Re: [Kictanet] Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > > Sent: 02 Mar '06 12:59 > > > > Wainaina, > > > > Please permit me to differ with you. > > > > The civilised world has resolved to ensure that there are due processes subject to the rule of law by which we deal with such reculcitrant elements of our deomocratic experiment so to ignore such consitutional and instituional mechanisms is worse a precident as the acts of the reculcitrant element being subj > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 13:31:52 +0300 > From: " Wainaina Mungai " <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> > Subject: Re: [Kictanet] Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media > Group > To: "Kenya ICT Policy - kictanet" <kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke> > Cc: KIPlist <kiplist-cl(a)lyris.idrc.ca> > Message-ID: <20060302103152.9240.qmail(a)domain50.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Agreed, we acknowledge "two wrongs" however, in our quick condemnation, we risk losing sight of the first wrong. The point am making is that official statements released in condemning the "second wrong" should not be made in a way that sanitises the "first wrong". > > I have personal experiences of how media runs to "press freedom" to get the "first wrong" to disappear. The perpetrators of the "second wrong" must be punished as prescribed by the law so that we do not have a repeat of either wrongs. > > ;-) > > Wainaina > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Eric Osiakwan <eric(a)afrispa.org> > > Subject: Re: [Kictanet] Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > > Sent: 02 Mar '06 12:59 > > > > Wainaina, > > > > Please permit me to differ with you. > > > > The civilised world has resolved to ensure that there are due processes subject to the rule of law by which we deal with such reculcitrant elements of our deomocratic experiment so to ignore such consitutional and instituional mechanisms is worse a precident as the acts of the reculcitrant element being subjected. > > > > Two wrongs dont make a right. > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > From: "Wainaina Mungai" <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> > > Reply-To: Kenya ICT Policy - kictanet <kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke> > > Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:01:21 +0300 > > > > >Dear all, > > > > > >As we all so readily rotest against the unwarranted destruction of property etc, let us not be sucked into supporting misconduct within the media. We must not lose sight of the fact that the media has become is a law unto itself; while the rest of society is governed by rules of civilised conduct. The media is a powerful tool that has even been abused to the extent of fueling conflict in many countries. As we all know, it has also been used positively. > > > > > >However, there are currently several cases in court and other incidents that indicate the media has failed to regulate itself. The Media Council of Kenya may just have proved to Kenyans over the years that the concept of self-regulation may be the way to go in Kenya. > > > > > >As much as I empathise with the Standard Group, I would urge them to give Kenyans (wether in government or not) a fair hearing and endevour to report ONLY the truth. Sensational reporting in an attempt to gain market share will lead to situations as we have now as the parties seek resolution (whether the methods are wrong or right). In cases where mistakes a made, they should not hid apologies in a small corner of page 92 but put into where the original story (Page 1, if the story was a headline story) and so on. Anything short of that should be handled by very stringent laws of conduct. > > > > > >Politically incorrect but I hope it will keep us focused. There is an urgent need to get a working system for regulation of the media conduct. > > > > > >--- > > >Wainaina Mungai > > >http://www.madeinkenya.org > > > > > >SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT is development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs. > > > > > > > > >> -------Original Message------- > > >> From: Waudo Siganga <csk(a)nbi.ispkenya.com> > > >> Subject: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > > >> Sent: 02 Mar '06 19:29 > > >> > > >> Dear Colleagues, > > >> > > >> The reports received this morning regarding the crackdown and closure of > > >> the Standard Media Group are shocking and the CSK will issue a statement on > > >> the same later in the day. > > >> > > >> Kind Regards > > >> Waudo Siganga > > >> Chairman > > >> The Computer Society of Kenya > > >> > > >> > > >> --- > > >> Submitted by: csk(a)nbi.ispkenya.com 2006-03-02 00:40:37 EST5 > > >> (Please reply to original submitter for private communication) > > >> --- > > >> You are currently subscribed to kiplist-cl as: [wainaina.mungai(a)oneworld.net] > > >> To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-kiplist-cl-117112D(a)lyris.idrc.ca > > >> > > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >kictanet mailing list > > >kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > > >http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > > >Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eric%40afrispa.org > > > > > > > -- > > Eric M.K Osiakwan > > Executive Secretary > > AfrISPA (www.afrispa.org) > > Tel: + 233.21.258800 > > Fax: + 233.21.258811 > > Cell: + 233.244.386792 > > Handle: eosiakwan > > Snail Mail: Pmb 208, Accra-North > > Office: BusyInternet - 42 Ring Road Central, Accra-North > > Blog: http://afrispa.skybuilders.com/users/Eric/blog.html > > Slang: "Tomorrow Now" > > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kictanet mailing list > > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wainaina%40madeinkenya.org > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > End of kictanet Digest, Vol 13, Issue 3 > *************************************** > >

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Re: [Kictanet] Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group
by Wainaina Mungai 02 Mar '06

02 Mar '06

Agreed, we acknowledge "two wrongs" however, in our quick condemnation, we risk losing sight of the first wrong. The point am making is that official statements released in condemning the "second wrong" should not be made in a way that sanitises the "first wrong". I have personal experiences of how media runs to "press freedom" to get the "first wrong" to disappear. The perpetrators of the "second wrong" must be punished as prescribed by the law so that we do not have a repeat of either wrongs. ;-) Wainaina > -------Original Message------- > From: Eric Osiakwan <eric(a)afrispa.org> > Subject: Re: [Kictanet] Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > Sent: 02 Mar '06 12:59 > > Wainaina, > > Please permit me to differ with you. > > The civilised world has resolved to ensure that there are due processes subject to the rule of law by which we deal with such reculcitrant elements of our deomocratic experiment so to ignore such consitutional and instituional mechanisms is worse a precident as the acts of the reculcitrant element being subjected. > > Two wrongs dont make a right. > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Wainaina Mungai" <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> > Reply-To: Kenya ICT Policy - kictanet <kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke> > Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:01:21 +0300 > > >Dear all, > > > >As we all so readily rotest against the unwarranted destruction of property etc, let us not be sucked into supporting misconduct within the media. We must not lose sight of the fact that the media has become is a law unto itself; while the rest of society is governed by rules of civilised conduct. The media is a powerful tool that has even been abused to the extent of fueling conflict in many countries. As we all know, it has also been used positively. > > > >However, there are currently several cases in court and other incidents that indicate the media has failed to regulate itself. The Media Council of Kenya may just have proved to Kenyans over the years that the concept of self-regulation may be the way to go in Kenya. > > > >As much as I empathise with the Standard Group, I would urge them to give Kenyans (wether in government or not) a fair hearing and endevour to report ONLY the truth. Sensational reporting in an attempt to gain market share will lead to situations as we have now as the parties seek resolution (whether the methods are wrong or right). In cases where mistakes a made, they should not hid apologies in a small corner of page 92 but put into where the original story (Page 1, if the story was a headline story) and so on. Anything short of that should be handled by very stringent laws of conduct. > > > >Politically incorrect but I hope it will keep us focused. There is an urgent need to get a working system for regulation of the media conduct. > > > >--- > >Wainaina Mungai > >http://www.madeinkenya.org > > > >SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT is development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs. > > > > > >> -------Original Message------- > >> From: Waudo Siganga <csk(a)nbi.ispkenya.com> > >> Subject: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > >> Sent: 02 Mar '06 19:29 > >> > >> Dear Colleagues, > >> > >> The reports received this morning regarding the crackdown and closure of > >> the Standard Media Group are shocking and the CSK will issue a statement on > >> the same later in the day. > >> > >> Kind Regards > >> Waudo Siganga > >> Chairman > >> The Computer Society of Kenya > >> > >> > >> --- > >> Submitted by: csk(a)nbi.ispkenya.com 2006-03-02 00:40:37 EST5 > >> (Please reply to original submitter for private communication) > >> --- > >> You are currently subscribed to kiplist-cl as: [wainaina.mungai(a)oneworld.net] > >> To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-kiplist-cl-117112D(a)lyris.idrc.ca > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >kictanet mailing list > >kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > >http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > >Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eric%40afrispa.org > > > > -- > Eric M.K Osiakwan > Executive Secretary > AfrISPA (www.afrispa.org) > Tel: + 233.21.258800 > Fax: + 233.21.258811 > Cell: + 233.244.386792 > Handle: eosiakwan > Snail Mail: Pmb 208, Accra-North > Office: BusyInternet - 42 Ring Road Central, Accra-North > Blog: http://afrispa.skybuilders.com/users/Eric/blog.html > Slang: "Tomorrow Now" > -- > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wainaina%40madeinkenya.org >

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Re: [Kictanet] Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group
by Wainaina Mungai 02 Mar '06

02 Mar '06

Agreed, we acknowledge "two wrongs" however, in our quick condemnation, we risk losing sight of the first wrong. The point am making is that official statements released in condemning the "second wrong" should not be made in a way that sanitises the "first wrong". I have personal experiences of how media runs to "press freedom" to get the "first wrong" to disappear. The perpetrators of the "second wrong" must be punished as prescribed by the law so that we do not have a repeat of either wrongs. ;-) Wainaina > -------Original Message------- > From: Eric Osiakwan <eric(a)afrispa.org> > Subject: Re: [Kictanet] Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > Sent: 02 Mar '06 12:59 > > Wainaina, > > Please permit me to differ with you. > > The civilised world has resolved to ensure that there are due processes subject to the rule of law by which we deal with such reculcitrant elements of our deomocratic experiment so to ignore such consitutional and instituional mechanisms is worse a precident as the acts of the reculcitrant element being subj

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Re: [Kictanet] Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group
by Wainaina Mungai 02 Mar '06

02 Mar '06

Agreed, we acknowledge "two wrongs" however, in our quick condemnation, we risk losing sight of the first wrong. That was actually the point I was making. I have personal experiences of how media runs to "press freedom" to get the "first wrong" to disappear. The perpetrators of the "second wrong" must be punished as prescribed by the law so that we do not have a repeat of either wrongs. ;-) Wainaina > -------Original Message------- > From: Eric Osiakwan <eric(a)afrispa.org> > Subject: Re: [Kictanet] Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > Sent: 02 Mar '06 12:59 > > Wainaina, > > Please permit me to differ with you. > > The civilised world has resolved to ensure that there are due processes subject to the rule of law by which we deal with such reculcitrant elements of our deomocratic experiment so to ignore such consitutional and instituional mechanisms is worse a precident as the acts of the reculcitrant element being subjected. > > Two wrongs dont make a right. > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: "Wainaina Mungai" <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> > Reply-To: Kenya ICT Policy - kictanet <kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke> > Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 12:01:21 +0300 > > >Dear all, > > > >As we all so readily rotest against the unwarranted destruction of property etc, let us not be sucked into supporting misconduct within the media. We must not lose sight of the fact that the media has become is a law unto itself; while the rest of society is governed by rules of civilised conduct. The media is a powerful tool that has even been abused to the extent of fueling conflict in many countries. As we all know, it has also been used positively. > > > >However, there are currently several cases in court and other incidents that indicate the media has failed to regulate itself. The Media Council of Kenya may just have proved to Kenyans over the years that the concept of self-regulation may be the way to go in Kenya. > > > >As much as I empathise with the Standard Group, I would urge them to give Kenyans (wether in government or not) a fair hearing and endevour to report ONLY the truth. Sensational reporting in an attempt to gain market share will lead to situations as we have now as the parties seek resolution (whether the methods are wrong or right). In cases where mistakes a made, they should not hid apologies in a small corner of page 92 but put into where the original story (Page 1, if the story was a headline story) and so on. Anything short of that should be handled by very stringent laws of conduct. > > > >Politically incorrect but I hope it will keep us focused. There is an urgent need to get a working system for regulation of the media conduct. > > > >--- > >Wainaina Mungai > >http://www.madeinkenya.org > > > >SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT is development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs. > > > > > >> -------Original Message------- > >> From: Waudo Siganga <csk(a)nbi.ispkenya.com> > >> Subject: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > >> Sent: 02 Mar '06 19:29 > >> > >> Dear Colleagues, > >> > >> The reports received this morning regarding the crackdown and closure of > >> the Standard Media Group are shocking and the CSK will issue a statement on > >> the same later in the day. > >> > >> Kind Regards > >> Waudo Siganga > >> Chairman > >> The Computer Society of Kenya > >> > >> > >> --- > >> Submitted by: csk(a)nbi.ispkenya.com 2006-03-02 00:40:37 EST5 > >> (Please reply to original submitter for private communication) > >> --- > >> You are currently subscribed to kiplist-cl as: [wainaina.mungai(a)oneworld.net] > >> To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-kiplist-cl-117112D(a)lyris.idrc.ca > >> > >> > > > >_______________________________________________ > >kictanet mailing list > >kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > >http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > > >Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/eric%40afrispa.org > > > > -- > Eric M.K Osiakwan > Executive Secretary > AfrISPA (www.afrispa.org) > Tel: + 233.21.258800 > Fax: + 233.21.258811 > Cell: + 233.244.386792 > Handle: eosiakwan > Snail Mail: Pmb 208, Accra-North > Office: BusyInternet - 42 Ring Road Central, Accra-North > Blog: http://afrispa.skybuilders.com/users/Eric/blog.html > Slang: "Tomorrow Now" > -- > > _______________________________________________ > kictanet mailing list > kictanet(a)kictanet.or.ke > http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/listinfo/kictanet > > Please unsubscribe or change your options at http://kictanet.or.ke/mailman/options/kictanet/wainaina%40madeinkenya.org >

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Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group
by Sammy Buruchara 02 Mar '06

02 Mar '06

Two wrongs do not make a right. Sammy Buruchara On Mar 2, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Wainaina Mungai wrote: > Dear all, > > As we all so readily rotest against the unwarranted destruction of > property etc, let us not be sucked into supporting misconduct > within the media. We must not lose sight of the fact that the media > has become is a law unto itself; while the rest of society is > governed by rules of civilised conduct. The media is a powerful > tool that has even been abused to the extent of fueling conflict in > many countries. As we all know, it has also been used positively. > > However, there are currently several cases in court and other > incidents that indicate the media has failed to regulate itself. > The Media Council of Kenya may just have proved to Kenyans over the > years that the concept of self-regulation may be the way to go in > Kenya. > > As much as I empathise with the Standard Group, I would urge them > to give Kenyans (wether in government or not) a fair hearing and > endevour to report ONLY the truth. Sensational reporting in an > attempt to gain market share will lead to situations as we have now > as the parties seek resolution (whether the methods are wrong or > right). In cases where mistakes a made, they should not hid > apologies in a small corner of page 92 but put into where the > original story (Page 1, if the story was a headline story) and so > on. Anything short of that should be handled by very stringent laws > of conduct. > > Politically incorrect but I hope it will keep us focused. There is > an urgent need to get a working system for regulation of the media > conduct. > > --- > Wainaina Mungai > http://www.madeinkenya.org > > SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT is development that meets the needs of the > present without compromising the ability of future generations to > meet their own needs. > > >> -------Original Message------- >> From: Waudo Siganga <csk(a)nbi.ispkenya.com> >> Subject: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group >> Sent: 02 Mar '06 19:29 >> >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> The reports received this morning regarding the crackdown and >> closure of >> the Standard Media Group are shocking and the CSK will issue a >> statement on >> the same later in the day. >> >> Kind Regards >> Waudo Siganga >> Chairman >> The Computer Society of Kenya >> >> >> --- >> Submitted by: csk(a)nbi.ispkenya.com 2006-03-02 00:40:37 EST5 >> (Please reply to original submitter for private communication) >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to kiplist-cl as: >> [wainaina.mungai(a)oneworld.net] >> To unsubscribe, forward this message to %%email.unsub%% >> >> > > --- > Submitted by: Wainaina Mungai (One World) > <wainaina(a)madeinkenya.org> 2006-03-02 04:09:31 EST5 > (Please reply to original submitter for private communication) > --- > You are currently subscribed to kiplist-cl as: [sammy(a)nbnet.co.ke] > To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-kiplist- > cl-88773I(a)lyris.idrc.ca

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Re: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group
by Wainaina Mungai 02 Mar '06

02 Mar '06

Dear all, As we all so readily rotest against the unwarranted destruction of property etc, let us not be sucked into supporting misconduct within the media. We must not lose sight of the fact that the media has become is a law unto itself; while the rest of society is governed by rules of civilised conduct. The media is a powerful tool that has even been abused to the extent of fueling conflict in many countries. As we all know, it has also been used positively. However, there are currently several cases in court and other incidents that indicate the media has failed to regulate itself. The Media Council of Kenya may just have proved to Kenyans over the years that the concept of self-regulation may be the way to go in Kenya. As much as I empathise with the Standard Group, I would urge them to give Kenyans (wether in government or not) a fair hearing and endevour to report ONLY the truth. Sensational reporting in an attempt to gain market share will lead to situations as we have now as the parties seek resolution (whether the methods are wrong or right). In cases where mistakes a made, they should not hid apologies in a small corner of page 92 but put into where the original story (Page 1, if the story was a headline story) and so on. Anything short of that should be handled by very stringent laws of conduct. Politically incorrect but I hope it will keep us focused. There is an urgent need to get a working system for regulation of the media conduct. --- Wainaina Mungai http://www.madeinkenya.org SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT is development that meets the needs of the present without compromising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs. > -------Original Message------- > From: Waudo Siganga <csk(a)nbi.ispkenya.com> > Subject: Burning and Closure of Standard Media Group > Sent: 02 Mar '06 19:29 > > Dear Colleagues, > > The reports received this morning regarding the crackdown and closure of > the Standard Media Group are shocking and the CSK will issue a statement on > the same later in the day. > > Kind Regards > Waudo Siganga > Chairman > The Computer Society of Kenya > > > --- > Submitted by: csk(a)nbi.ispkenya.com 2006-03-02 00:40:37 EST5 > (Please reply to original submitter for private communication) > --- > You are currently subscribed to kiplist-cl as: [wainaina.mungai(a)oneworld.net] > To unsubscribe, forward this message to leave-kiplist-cl-117112D(a)lyris.idrc.ca > >

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